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On another thread we were discussing the fact that the US Democracy has some theocratic elements in it. At the moment these are pretty limited, things like legislation making Christian concepts of marriage the law, and regulation requiring school systems to teach Christian creation theology in some places. There are a variety of such laws and regulations in the USA, but for the most part, they are the exception rather than the rule at this point. For the most part the separation of church and state holds.

However there's a sizeable number of Americans, called dominionists, who would like to see that change, and who object to the notion of a separation of church and state. These are the people who have fundamentally introduced the theocratic elements into American democracy, and ultimately would like to see the USA transform into a theocracy, albeit one organized around democratic principles.

In their conception the United States is a "Christian nation" organized around Christian principles. They believe that Christian identity is central to American identity, and that the American state should be an expression of the Christian religion. Theologically speaking, they believe that God gave mankind responsibility to govern over the earth, and that this governing should be done in accordance to biblical law.

There's a range of beliefs among dominionists, they range from hard dominionists who believe that US institutions should be explicitly organized around biblical law, to the much more numerous soft dominionists who belief in a more vague notion that the United States is a "Christian nation", and should be organized around Christian principles, but perhaps in a more implicit than explicit sense.

In terms of numbers:

-- More than half of Americans believe that the US constitution establishes the United states as a "Christian nation"

-- About a third of Americans do not believe there should be a separation of Church and State

-- Three quarters of Americans believe the "10 Commandments" should be posted in public schools and public offices

Still, at this point two thirds of Americans still believe in some sort of separation of church and state, so the hard dominionists are very much in the minority, although they are a fairly sizeable minority.

Were the percentage of Americans who are dominionists rise to the level required to implement constitutional reform they would be able to amend the constitution to remove the separation of church and state and then either implicitly or explicitly form US institutions around strictly Christian principles. In the meantime they continue to use their fairly significant political power to enact theocratic laws in the context of the current American democracy, pushing the separation-of-church-and-state envelope as far as they can.

Some sources:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/30114573

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/24/weekinreview/24schwartz.html

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/poll_religion.pdf
 

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-- Three quarters of Americans believe that it should be legal that the "10 Commandments" be posted in public schools and public offices
fixed that one for you, at least according to the fox link you provided


Were the percentage of Americans who are dominionists rise to the level required to implement constitutional reform they would be able to amend the constitution to remove the separation of church and state and then either implicitly or explicitly form US institutions around strictly Christian principles.
I wonder if the USSC might have something to say about that
 

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You're right. Three quarters think it should be legal to post up the "10 Commandments" but only two thirds think it's a good idea to do so.
And that two thirds is about 50% of the population too many. But we can take some comfort imagining it might once have been three quarters.

When people are allowed put their places of worship where they choose, we could consider posting their sacred texts in public buildings.
 

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I read the thread title and knew right away it was a FUJI thread. It been shown many time that a large portion of the great unwashed in the US are really dumb and badly informed. If you can find a large portion, even some leaders who were convince the POTUS was not America and was a muslim, you can find a good portion who think al sorts of ignorant things. I wouldn't be surprised, if a good portion of the US electorate didnt know what Theocracy was.
 

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And that two thirds is about 50% of the population too many.
Why is that? It has only been in the past 20 years or so that this "brain storm" has come along. Was justice in Niagara County, New York in 1960 noticably different than in 2010?

Fuji said:
-- More than half of Americans believe that the US constitution establishes the United states as a "Christian nation"

-- About a third of Americans do not believe there should be a separation of Church and State

-- Three quarters of Americans believe the "10 Commandments" should be posted in public schools and public offices

Still, at this point two thirds of Americans still believe in some sort of separation of church and state
Well it certainly isn't in the U.S. Constitution but other than that yes, most in the U.S. do see the U.S. as a Christian Nation is that somehow supposed to be bad?

I'd like to see how the next question was worded - were the answers basicly that the courts have gone too far, or that there should be no establishment clause?
 

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Why is that? It has only been in the past 20 years or so that this "brain storm" has come along. Was justice in Niagara County, New York in 1960 noticably different than in 2010?

Well it certainly isn't in the U.S. Constitution but other than that yes, most in the U.S. do see the U.S. as a Christian Nation is that somehow supposed to be bad?

I'd like to see how the next question was worded - were the answers basicly that the courts have gone too far, or that there should be no establishment clause?
If the rest were as badly worded as the first they might just support it, but I suspect they weren't aired as they didn't support the point of the presenters.

Had it said a 'religious country' you might have had a different and maybe more representative response.
 

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Well it certainly isn't in the U.S. Constitution but other than that yes, most in the U.S. do see the U.S. as a Christian Nation is that somehow supposed to be bad?
Value judgments are tricky things, they depend on your ideology. Some people do like theocracies and want to live in one. Personally, I don't. But it sounds like you do.

I prefer to live in a nation that is open and welcoming to all of its citizens.
 

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Value judgments are tricky things, they depend on your ideology. Some people do like theocracies and want to live in one. Personally, I don't. But it sounds like you do.
There is a huge difference between a broad and sweeping generality "A Christian Nation" and all citizens must be members of the Full Gospel Pentecostal Church.

Seemingly you think they are the same. As for my self I can agree with the former, and am nowhere near the latter.
 

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There is a huge difference between a broad and sweeping generality "A Christian Nation" and all citizens must be members of the Full Gospel Pentecostal Church.
Classic straw man argument. Try again. The dominionists are pursuing a multi-denominational Christian regime.
 

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I would call the US a oligarchy more then a Theocracy......Does anyone really believe the best people to lead the U.S in the 50 years have been people with such strong ties to each other?
 

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Classic straw man argument. Try again. The dominionists are pursuing a multi-denominational Christian regime.
Well they haven't called on the denominations of which I have personal knowedge. What what is personal experience when you apparently have a hotline to Heaven on this issue.
 

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Well they haven't called on the denominations of which I have personal knowedge. What what is personal experience when you apparently have a hotline to Heaven on this issue.
Up thread are facts and statistics. Here in your post we have.... what? Hot air.
 
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