Pali teens shot in cold blood by Israeli solders - Video

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Strange but in another thread you posted
There is nothing random about a Jewish kidnapping in the west bank. Just like Israel randomly started killing Arabs while looking for these 3. The fact is, why is this even news? It is a minor incident in a big world. We know the arabs and Israeli hate each other, fuck them both, please stop bombarding me with this horror.:rolleyes:
Why all of a sudden are you okay with starting threads on the topic? Or is it just news about Jewish deaths you want to ignore.
 

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Strange but in another thread you posted


Why all of a sudden are you okay with starting threads on the topic? Or is it just news about Jewish deaths you want to ignore.
Just gotta counter you and Fujis Israel can do no wrong nonsense. The soldiers were in no peril from these kids, so they had no right of self defense. Kind of the same as that guy in Texas that shot a guy for throwing popcorn at him.
 

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How is it cold blood? They were under attack from riotous thugs all around him.

Did they hit the wrong guy? Maybe. But there is no doubt that they were engaging armed, violent Palestinians.

They were behind a wall in no immediate danger and at the time, one of the kids was shot in the back....:rolleyes:
 

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How is it cold blood? They were under attack from riotous thugs all around him.

Did they hit the wrong guy? Maybe. But there is no doubt that they were engaging armed, violent Palestinians.
Then again, if Israel wasn't in the West Bank - none of this wouldn't have happened... and why are the Israelis stealing land in the West Bank?
 

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Then again, if Israel wasn't in the West Bank - none of this wouldn't have happened... and why are the Israelis stealing land in the West Bank?
The Palestinians have been attacking since loooong before Israel was in the West Bank, so your claim makes no sense. It is because of Arab aggression against Israel, including cross border fedayeen attacks from the West Bank and Gaza, that Israel had to defend itself in 67.
 

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Just gotta counter you and Fujis Israel can do no wrong nonsense. The soldiers were in no peril from these kids, so they had no right of self defense. Kind of the same as that guy in Texas that shot a guy for throwing popcorn at him.
Bullshit. Both fuji and I criticize Israel when it deserves it. Meanwhile you are so busy trying to justify the murder of Jews while constantly complaining about any time an Israeli looks at an Arab. I don't think you have ever made a criticism of Palestinian attacks against civilians without either trying to say it is Israel's fault or claim Israel is just as bad. I'd say you were the worst kind of racist wrapping your argument up in intellectual terms but you are so poor at intellectualism that your immorality is almost humourous.
 

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Bullshit. Both fuji and I criticize Israel when it deserves it. Meanwhile you are so busy trying to justify the murder of Jews while constantly complaining about any time an Israeli looks at an Arab. I don't think you have ever made a criticism of Palestinian attacks against civilians without either trying to say it is Israel's fault or claim Israel is just as bad. I'd say you were the worst kind of racist wrapping your argument up in intellectual terms but you are so poor at intellectualism that your immorality is almost humourous.
I cannot remember the last time you criticized Israel, and meanwhile the rest of the civilized world criticizes them quite regularly. Here is your buddy justifying some guy standing behind a wall shooting a 16 year old in the heart with an assault rifle just because he was throwing stones at the wall earlier....:rolleyes:
 

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Shootings like this are typically "ever so easy" to second guess when things have calmed down, however, that is not they way they are at the time. As the article states "Several dozen Palestinian youths used the wall of Zayed's house as cover. Periodically, they jumped out to hurl stones at about a half-dozen Israeli soldiers and border police officers" May I point out that here in the West stones such as this can be considered deadly weapons for charging purposes.
 

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Shootings like this are typically "ever so easy" to second guess when things have calmed down, however, that is not they way they are at the time. As the article states "Several dozen Palestinian youths used the wall of Zayed's house as cover. Periodically, they jumped out to hurl stones at about a half-dozen Israeli soldiers and border police officers" May I point out that here in the West stones such as this can be considered deadly weapons for charging purposes.
In none of those pictures were either of the youths armed, nor did they present a clear and present danger, so the shootings do not meet the test of self defence, sorry. This is apparent by the fact that commanders had ordered no live ammo, or so they claim.
 

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In none of those pictures were either of the youths armed, nor did they present a clear and present danger, so the shootings do not meet the test of self defence, sorry. This is apparent by the fact that commanders had ordered no live ammo, or so they claim.
The video doesn't show the Israeli perspective, but take a look at the stone throwers in the video, and where they are hurling their stones around that corner at a target we cannot see, then continue that angle behind the stone throwers to the Pali side and you can see he is likely getting shot just as he comes into view of the Israelis directly behind the stone throwers.

The soldier who fired probably sees a guy jumping out from around a corner, throwing a stone, then darting back behind the corner. He then shoots when the guy reappears around the corner a few moments later. Except it was a different guy the second time.

This is called getting hit by the crossfire.

Weren't you the one saying people should be blamed for being in dangerous places? You thought just hitch hiking was bad, but milling around in the middle of an armed battle between security forces and insurgents hurling rocks is perfectly safe???
 
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I cannot remember the last time you criticized Israel, ...
I guess you don't read any of the threads you post in (why isn't that surprising). Just yesterday I unequivocally gave my disgust with the murder of the Palestinian kid in two threads you are active in. I have also been quite clear that the Settler movement is a detriment to peace.
 
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