Palestinian Poem Sets Off Antisemitism Fight Georgetown

[Charlemagne]

Palestinian Poem Sets Off Antisemitism Fight at Georgetown

The ADL is leading a charge to cancel a 23-year-old Palestinian activist for a line of poetry it claims echoes a medieval antisemitic trope.

theintercept.com

Cancel culture.

 

[basketcase]

Palestinian Poem Sets Off Antisemitism Fight at Georgetown

The ADL is leading a charge to cancel a 23-year-old Palestinian activist for a line of poetry it claims echoes a medieval antisemitic trope.

theintercept.com

Cancel culture.

A guy who claims Israel is harvesting organs of dead 'heroes' and feeding them to their soldiers is pretty much textbook, old school anti-semitism combined with new-school anti-semitism hiding as anti-Israel. The Fellow at the Arab Center in Washington interviewed in the article essentially admits the anti-semitism in the guy's work and social media.


In most cases of anti-racist work, it's not up to non-victims to determine if they are impacted by the racial connotations of an act. The Palestinian American advocate saying that he didn't see any anti-semitism is akin to a white guy claiming a noose on a black guy's locker isn't racist.

 

[y2kmark]

Pointing out the fact that Israeli authorities harvested organs from bodies without consent? In a poem no less? How anti Semitic can you get???

 

[Frankfooter]

A guy who claims Israel is harvesting organs of dead 'heroes' and feeding them to their soldiers is pretty much textbook, old school anti-semitism combined with new-school anti-semitism hiding as anti-Israel.

Except the guy wrote that poem when he was 14 and Israel was in the news for actually harvesting organs.

Israel harvested organs in ’90s without consent

Israel admits that in the 1990s, its forensic pathologists harvested organs from dead bodies, including Palestinians, without permission of their families.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Frankfooter]

First you get the Israeli rights organizations calling Israel apartheid.
Then you get the biggest international groups, HRW and Amnesty reporting Israel as apartheid.
Then the UN steps in and countries have to make public their stance.

Next you get pressure on the government when they try to ignore human rights reports.
That's happening here with the liberals.
The question is how long can they now hold off with CBC and Canada talking about the issue.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/israel-palestinian-apartheid-1.6436138

 

[canada-man]

Another day another pro Palestinian activity which is anti Jewish hate

 

[basketcase]

Except the guy wrote that poem when he was 14 and Israel was in the news for actually harvesting organs.
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Doesn't change what I said in the slightest.

In modern anti-racist circles, the determination of whether or not an act is racist sits primarily on whether or not the people targeted are harmed. That doesn't mean that accusations should immediately be accepted but it should cause the people doing the act is morally obliged to reflect on their actions.

 

[basketcase]

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The question is how long can they now hold off with CBC and Canada talking about the issue.
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More of your advocacy that Palestinians are forced against their will to become Israeli?

 

[Frankfooter]

Doesn't change what I said in the slightest.

Yes it does.
The poet was responding to an actual event and crime committed by present day Israel, not some vague reference to some random historical text.

More of your advocacy that Palestinians are forced against their will to become Israeli?

I back BDS, boycotts and sanctions to end apartheid.
How that is dealt with should be up to both peoples though my hope is it would result in a one state solution with equal rights, a solution gaining more and more popularity.

How much longer can you back apartheid?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/israel-palestinian-apartheid-1.6436138

 

[basketcase]

Yes it does.
The poet was responding to an actual event and crime committed by present day Israel, not some vague reference to some random historical text.
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So Anti-racist viewpoints saying that the harm is the important part applies except when Jews are involved. It's like okaying someone putting a noose up at their desk because they were just practicing their rope skills telling black people they shouldn't be offended.

And your continual reference to BDS is simply you demanding Palestinians become Israelis. And there is a reason why Canada and many rights respecting democracies have condemned BDS as counterproductive and often a cover for anti-semitism.

 

[Frankfooter]

So Anti-racist viewpoints saying that the harm is the important part applies except when Jews are involved. It's like okaying someone putting a noose up at their desk because they were just practicing their rope skills telling black people they shouldn't be offended.

So you're claiming its racist to point out that Israel harvested organs, as was reported in the MSM because of some historical text nobody cares about.
Sorry dude, but reporting on actual, daily events and news is not being racist.

And your continual reference to BDS is simply you demanding Palestinians become Israelis. And there is a reason why Canada and many rights respecting democracies have condemned BDS as counterproductive and often a cover for anti-semitism.

Supporting the Palestinian BDS movement is not demanding anything of them, its supporting their own movement for equal rights.
Canada doesn't support apartheid, the liberals won't be able to keep defending Israel for long.

What will you do when Israel is officially labelled apartheid by Canada, as you've been warned for years?

 

[basketcase]

So you're claiming its racist to point out that Israel harvested organs, as was reported in the MSM because of some historical text nobody cares about.
Sorry dude, but reporting on actual, daily events and news is not being racist.

I see. the whole basis of anti-racist movements doesn't apply when it's Jews. Nice.

Supporting the Palestinian BDS movement is not demanding anything of them, its supporting their own movement for equal rights.
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???

Equal rights means you want Palestinians to become Israelis (despite it being preferred by only 6% of them). But we both know you only support a one state future because you want an future Palestinian majority to follow through on the often stated desired of Palestinian leadership of replacing Israel with a Palestinian state.

And BDS doesn't support any peace plan. Like you, they simply like complaining about Jews being in the Middle East. That is why Canada and many other democracies have called BDS out as a home for racists.

 

[basketcase]

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What will you do when Israel is officially labelled apartheid by Canada, as you've been warned for years?

You must have missed the part where Canada rejected Amnesty's bullshit claims.

 

[Frankfooter]

But we both know you only support a one state future because you want an future Palestinian majority to follow through on the often stated desired of Palestinian leadership of replacing Israel with a Palestinian state.

Ah, you're afraid of equal rights because you know Palestinians are the majority.
Are you afraid they might take revenge for 50 years of occupation and apartheid? (I'm not)

Bummer.

Should have settled for the two state solution while it was still possible.
Now you're stuck with apartheid and watching it ended through BDS.

Unlike you, I think that if South Africa could get past apartheid Israel could as well. If Rwanda could get past genocide even Israelis can eventually get over their racist anger.
The Palestinians and Jews I know just want both peoples to live in peace, they aren't nearly as scared of the other side as you are.

 

[Frankfooter]

You must have missed the part where Canada rejected Amnesty's bullshit claims.

The liberals, not Canada.
That won't last.

It took years of pressure to stop support of South Africa, it won't take as long for pressure to stop liberal support of Israel.
You can see it happening already.

 

[basketcase]

The liberals, not Canada.
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Oh, democracy not good for you?

 

[basketcase]

Ah, you're afraid of equal rights because you know Palestinians are the majority.
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Again, the Palestinians overwhelmingly do not want equality with Jews. The moderates generally want a separate Palestinian state while groups like Hamas want Jews ethnically cleansed.

Thankfully they have people like you to tell them what to do.

 

[Frankfooter]

Again, the Palestinians overwhelmingly do not want equality with Jews.

You don't speak for Palestinians, you speak for the apartheid occupation.

Palestinians favour a one-state over a two-state solution, poll finds

Palestinians in Israeli occupied West Bank favour one bi-national state over a two-state solution, a new opinion poll conducted by the Jerusalem Media and Communication Centre (JMCC) shows. Support for...

www.middleeastmonitor.com

 

[Frankfooter]

Oh, democracy not good for you?

Go ahead and show me a poll that says Canadians support apartheid.
I'll wait.