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Israel is not innocent but lets not pretend terrorists are angels...
Israel is not innocent but lets not pretend terrorists are angels...
Palestinian Defense
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Its pretty terrible to see such young and innocent victims of terrorism.
I noticed that there were 123 Israeli kids killed between 2000 and 2005.
Any indication of how many Palestinian kids were killed during the same time period?
I noticed that there were 123 Israeli kids killed between 2000 and 2005.
Any indication of how many Palestinian kids were killed during the same time period?
On that I have no idea. But it needs to be noted that the 123 children were specifically targeted as civilians. These were not attacks on the Israeli military that civilians got caught up in.slowandeasy said:Its pretty terrible to see such young and innocent victims of terrorism.
I noticed that there were 123 Israeli kids killed between 2000 and 2005.
Any indication of how many Palestinian kids were killed during the same time period?
There was another video I saw that I didn't post because I thought it was too graphic. It was of two Jewish settler children who went for a walk and were later found in a cave with their heads smashed in.
Oh, and I could have also posted the video where a large rabbit speaks to children of eating Jews and that the children should be ready to shed their blood to drive out the Jews. I don't see that kind of stuff on Israeli TV.
The point is that there's enough garbage on both sides that can be thrown around for an eternity. Let's not pick on Israel as if they are monsters.
Why don't you find out? Or don't they matter to you? Is there nothing you could learn are just you afraid of what you might discover.ocean976124 said:On that I have no idea.
I await your spin.
I seem to recall that when Isreal invaded Lebanon after the soldiers were kidnapped that Hamas staged quite a few deaths following artillery and airstrikes. One photographer apparantley had several shots of the same fatality in several different buildings.
Hamas and all the palastinian groups have made media manipulation an artform over the years.
That said bombs, rockets and artillery do not discriminate whren they detonate. Non combatants will be killed when explosions happen and children will be amoung them much to our continuing shame. The question remains how to avoid that while maintaining security? The only way I know of is to assainate your target face to face and unfortunatly that optionis not really available hen the target is a pickup with a rocket launcher on the back that fires from a church hosptial mosque or school and yes all of the abve have happened on more than one occasion.
Hamas and all the palastinian groups have made media manipulation an artform over the years.
That said bombs, rockets and artillery do not discriminate whren they detonate. Non combatants will be killed when explosions happen and children will be amoung them much to our continuing shame. The question remains how to avoid that while maintaining security? The only way I know of is to assainate your target face to face and unfortunatly that optionis not really available hen the target is a pickup with a rocket launcher on the back that fires from a church hosptial mosque or school and yes all of the abve have happened on more than one occasion.
And the Palestinians use their children as human shields.
When you’re dealing with people whose value system is so farked up to sacrifice their future to score some sympathy points, then they’re beyond all redemption. They forfeit any sympathy that may have otherwise gotten. If they don’t care about their own children then why should we?
The Jews are no saints either. They’ve done more than their fair share of dishing out. However, they have a right to exist and live in freedom of tyranny. They have the right and obligation to defend themselves. They’ve seen this kind of hate before and survived against it and they will do it again.
When you’re dealing with people whose value system is so farked up to sacrifice their future to score some sympathy points, then they’re beyond all redemption. They forfeit any sympathy that may have otherwise gotten. If they don’t care about their own children then why should we?
The Jews are no saints either. They’ve done more than their fair share of dishing out. However, they have a right to exist and live in freedom of tyranny. They have the right and obligation to defend themselves. They’ve seen this kind of hate before and survived against it and they will do it again.
Your spelling is about at atrocious as your reasoning. Get back to your flash cards.landscaper said:The only way I know of is to assainate your target face to face and unfortunatly that optionis not really available hen the target is a pickup with a rocket launcher on the back that fires from a church hosptial mosque or school and yes all of the abve have happened on more than one occasion.
Cinema Face said:And the Palestinians use their children as human shields.
Sources please.
That's funny...because sometimes I wonder why Israel dumps so many jewish families and their children in the middle of the Occupied Territories. I guess territorial expansion means more than the safety of their children.Cinema Face said:If they don’t care about their own children then why should we?
Israel and Israelis are not monsters... and of the two sides Israel has less to be ashamed of. Suicide bombers, and terrorists are the scums of the earth.ocean976124 said:On that I have no idea. But it needs to be noted that the 123 children were specifically targeted as civilians. These were not attacks on the Israeli military that civilians got caught up in.
There was another video I saw that I didn't post because I thought it was too graphic. It was of two Jewish settler children who went for a walk and were later found in a cave with their heads smashed in.
Oh, and I could have also posted the video where a large rabbit speaks to children of eating Jews and that the children should be ready to shed their blood to drive out the Jews. I don't see that kind of stuff on Israeli TV.
The point is that there's enough garbage on both sides that can be thrown around for an eternity. Let's not pick on Israel as if they are monsters.
We agree on many points.
Where you go off the tracks are:
1. to claim that all 123 children were "specifically targeted". Making it sound
like each attack targeted only children.
2. "these were not attacks on the Israeli military". While most understand
the difference between suicide bombs and Israel's "military targets", the
fact that in these "military strikes" many civilians get killed. Many
child civilians. From an objective point of view, if Israel's actions
result in more civilian deaths than their counterparts, how can they
believe that their actions have higher moral justifications.
There is the pot calling the kettle black however what was wrong with the reasoning or do you just want to call me names?gryfin said:Your spelling is about at atrocious as your reasoning. Get back to your flash cards.
Its been done by the best in the world if you have an original please feel free to put it up here.
The settlements in the occupied territories were started by volunteers to expand the homeland into new areas.gryfin said:That's funny...because sometimes I wonder why Israel dumps so many jewish families and their children in the middle of the Occupied Territories. I guess territorial expansion means more than the safety of their children.
This practice stopped in the immediate past, it could have been as a result of the Oslo accords although I am not sure.
Isreal has been dismantleing the settlements over the past few years sometimes at gun point to remove the settlers.
I am curious how this translates into dropping people off in the middle of the Occupied Territories ?
You need to read a newspaper once a while. New settlements are set up all the time. Existing ones expand despite repeated empty promises by Israel.landscaper said:The settlements in the occupied territories were started by volunteers to expand the homeland into new areas.
This practice stopped in the immediate past, it could have been as a result of the Oslo accords although I am not sure.
Isreal has been dismantleing the settlements over the past few years sometimes at gun point to remove the settlers.
I am curious how this translates into dropping people off in the middle of the Occupied Territories ?
As for expanding the "homeland", let's move out of your delusional saccharine world view and face up to some basic facts. It wasn't bad enough that the Palestinians land was stolen from them, Israelis are not trying to steal the land they ran to by using settlers who are nothing more than free loading bums taking a free ride on the suffering of others.
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You mean like the the people 'dumped' in Sderot and Askelon (and surrounding communities) that have become the target of endless rocket attacks? ( yet another bunch today) Oh wait, both are inside pre-67 Israel but are still targets. The vast majority of suicide attacks also took place within pre-67 Israel. You likely don't care about those pesky 'facts' and likely think every inch of Israel is really occupied territory.gryfin said:That's funny...because sometimes I wonder why Israel dumps so many jewish families and their children in the middle of the Occupied Territories. I guess territorial expansion means more than the safety of their children.
Pre-67 Israel is where all the property and land that belonged to the Palestinians is still being held. It's also the place from which Israel launches most of it's attacks on Palestinians.basketcase said:You mean like the the people 'dumped' in Sderot and Askelon (and surrounding communities) that have become the target of endless rocket attacks? ( yet another bunch today) Oh wait, both are inside pre-67 Israel but are still targets. The vast majority of suicide attacks also took place within pre-67 Israel. You likely don't care about those pesky 'facts' and likely think every inch of Israel is really occupied territory.
Now you know.
gryfin said:Pre-67 Israel is where all the property and land that belonged to the Palestinians is still being held. It's also the place from which Israel launches most of it's attacks on Palestinians.
Now you know.
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Debating with gryf is like watching the Kalib Starnes fight at the last UFC. I've never seen a guy backpedal so fast.
LMAO, nice quip.basketcase said:Debating with gryf is like watching the Kalib Starnes fight at the last UFC. I've never seen a guy backpedal so fast.
