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OnTheWayOut

Article in the Ottawa Sun today said LE was not going to enforce the new SC bylaws that call for no closed off CR areas until the judge hears the case in April. So get your decent lap dances now b4 you have to go to Hull for em, we got a short reprieve ;)
 

Capital Amatuer

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W-5 Saturday

Anyone see the segment on W-5 where they were reporting the 'Stripper' Immigration legislation ? Apparently Canada can fast track the immigration process for young ladies from impoverished countries like Romania, Ukraine and Mexico to have them come to work in Canada as dancers. They show-cased one lady who came from Mexico to work in Trenton but ended up working in Toronto under duress. Her job description was far more comprehensive than the agreed contract. I thought Canadians would be above these tactics. It seems very similar to illegal practices in Europe and Asia that have been reported on other TV news shows.
I don't mind spending money on entertainment, entertainment implies fun but my moral conscience says it should be mutual fun and not under duress.
Another thought comes to mind, why does the federal government have this program in place to create demand and then the municipal government lays out the rules and restrictions to supress supply ? Very contradictory ! Another thing that was mentioned was the working conditions and labour laws; immigration gets these ladies to the country but then does nothing to monitor the working environment, passes it off to another level of government. The government should coordinate their plan or it will back-fire and quickly slip further into the black-market.
Just my thoughts...
 

Metoo4

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Capital Amatuer

What's this doing in this thread? Not remotely related in any ways.
 
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does too! hahaha

Metoo4 said:
Capital Amatuer

What's this doing in this thread? Not remotely related in any ways.

He's raising the question of the immigration folks actively seeking to bring strippers to Canada but then the locals trying to drive them away. Typical actions when you consider various levels of gov't are involved! :p
 

Metoo4

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With that point of view, I guess it relates...
As long as the girls are not forced to work as stripper or hooker, I love exotic entertainment! :)

I still don't understand on what grounds the City of Ottawa can ban contact dances and champagne rooms. Contact dances are legal, as per the Supreme Court. The City could restrict SC to certain sectors of town but prohibit a legally owned and operated business from operating in a way who doesn't infringe any laws is ridiculous. What will be next? Ice cream parlours won't be allowed to sell cherry ice cream because of it's sexual connotation?

For me, the City can stick their noses in things like this:
The smoking ban is in effect because smoke is toxic to anybody around a smoker, whatever the peoples around want it or not.
The City can restrict certain industrial activities because of the pollution or noise created.
The City can prohibit peoples from operating a farm downtown because of the smell and health risks involved.
They can prohibit a disco or bar in a residential area because of the noise and other nuisances.
They can say public buildings must have fire supressing system because it saves life.
Basically, if it have an effect on the peoples/homes around, or on something that is "common sense" and backed by undisputable facts (like fire supression systems) then, the City have a say, if not, shut up!

What are the problems with strip clubs? Nothing different than any bars! You don't like what's going on inside, you don't go! Plain and simple! I'm not interested in gay bars or in vegetarian restaurants so I go elsewhere but, I'll never ask the City to close them down!
As long as what's going on is legal, (not according to a bylaw, according to the Criminal Code and the Civil Code) the City have no business inside an SC or bar or anywhere else for that matter. No nuisance created, nobody will get hurt by the way the business is operating, no laws are broken, none of the City's business.
 

Capital Amatuer

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You're right metoo4r

"Ice cream parlours won't be allowed to sell cherry ice cream because of it's sexual connotation?"
I think so metoo4. For god's sake don't let them put whipped cream on it or you'll get hauled off to rehab for sex perverts !! I remember going to Outback Steakhouse for dinner one night. There was a line-up so the hostess gave us a pager and said she would page us when they were ready to seat us. And that the pager would 'Shake' - she wasn't allowed to say 'Vibrate'. LOL
Anyway, I thought the W-5 segment would be suitable in this thread, just the different levels of government trying to accomplish different goals and how it all seems to be a big fat waste of tax-payer money, but I suppose that's how govrenment gets their fingers into the pie too ! (no pun intended)
 
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Capital Amatuer said:
Another thought comes to mind, why does the federal government have this program in place to create demand and then the municipal government lays out the rules and restrictions to supress supply ?
Well its obvious. The right hand doesn't know who the left is doing.
 

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I agree guys, it is like City Hall is taking matters into their own hands -
oh wait, that comment sounds like "sexual connotation"
this is what those @#$% waste time on, and then they majically find $$ to build a new opera house, while Bank street has more potholes than Kabul Afganistan. :mad:
 

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Metoo4 said:
I still don't understand on what grounds the City of Ottawa can ban contact dances and champagne rooms. Contact dances are legal, as per the Supreme Court. The City could restrict SC to certain sectors of town but prohibit a legally owned and operated business from operating in a way who doesn't infringe any laws is ridiculous.
Agreed, the sad part is this is basically the result of only two councillors who were dead set on getting rid of strip clubs; some of the others realize the new by-law is unfair but won`t go against because it would be career suicide to be portrayed in the media as "supporting strip clubs".

Even banning the contact wouldn`t be the end of the world, some guys would bitch about it but the clubs did fine before contact and would continue to do so. But banning the CRs is a blatant attempt to restrict the businesses so much that there`s no choice but to close up. Even the guys who like clean air dances won`t go if they can`t have a little privacy.
 

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ottawasub said:
But banning the CRs is a blatant attempt to restrict the businesses so much that there`s no choice but to close up. Even the guys who like clean air dances won`t go if they can`t have a little privacy.
I don't think that privacy is that important to a lot of customers. I recall that some Toronto clubs circa 1994 did quite well with full on lap dances taking place in the main areas of the bars. If you go to clubs in Houston these days you will see the same thing and in some clubs, quite a bit more.
 

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Dead issue - question

Have not heard any news on this for more than a month. Anything new or is it being allowed to die a slow death through inaction. :)
 

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Apparently the city's lawyers weren't prepared in time for the May 13 hearing so it has been put back to mid-June. It ain't over yet.
 
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