Ontario’s corner stores allowed to sell alcohol as of today. What you need to know

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Vinson

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Do you agree? I think they sold beer in corner stores in Montreal long time ago.


Convenience stores across Ontario are allowed to sell booze as of Thursday as the province significantly loosens its grip on the alcohol marketplace.

Corner stores are excited about the change and expect foot traffic to increase significantly, said Kenny Shim, the president of the Ontario Convenience Store Association, which represents about 7,000 of 10,000 such stores across the province.

“I have to admit, I’m excited; we’re all excited because sales are down because of the bad economy,” Shim said.

The Alcohol and Gaming Commission of Ontario said that by Tuesday it had granted 4,200 licences to convenience stores. That means roughly 40 per cent of convenience stores will be able to sell beer, wine, cider and ready-to-drink cocktails.

All grocery stores will be able to sell alcohol by Oct. 31, but spirits will only be available in Liquor Control Board of Ontario stores and outlets.

Shim said the development of convenience stores is a lifeline to many stores that have seen tobacco sales plummet, which he attributes to the rise of illegal tobacco sales and a slumping economy.

“When people come to buy a beer, they’ll buy some peanuts, maybe some cups for beer pong, some beef jerky, bottle openers, that kind of stuff,” he said.

The stores will be allowed to sell alcohol from 7 a.m. to 11 p.m., and 20 per cent of beer, cider and premixed cocktails on display must be from small Ontario producers, while 10 per cent of wine on display must be devoted to small Ontario wineries.

Convenience stores must remain vigilant about following the rules, Shim said, because the penalties for breaking the law, like selling to minors or to those who are intoxicated, are severe. They range from fines, upward to $50,000, and the loss of the liquor licence.

“I really like it because I am a law-abiding citizen, and we know that the province will be out with inspectors,” Shim said.

“I have children, too, and the last thing I want is to sell to a minor, plus the penalties are so severe that it’s not worth risking your entire business for a few bottles of beer.”

The changes fulfil a 2018 campaign pledge from Premier Doug Ford, who promised to bring beer and wine to corner stores.

A 10-year-deal with The Beer Store stood in the way of that promise until May, when Ford said he had broken the deal and brokered a new one with the company. The Beer Store, owned by three international conglomerates, will be paid $225 million taxpayer dollars under the new deal.

Part of the new agreement with the Beer Store includes keeping at least 386 stores open until July 2025 and at least 300 until Dec. 31, 2025. The Beer Store will continue with its widely respected recycling program until at least 2031.

“This is good for choice and it’s really good for a local jobs,” Finance Minister Peter Bethlenfalvy said in an interview. “So I’m feeling really good.”

The LCBO came to existence in 1927 as the province pulled out of Prohibition with tight controls on alcohol.

“This is a big, big reform, but one that the people really want and we’re delivering it,” Bethlenfalvy said.

Several health organizations, including Toronto’s Centre for Addiction and Mental Health, have expressed concern and disappointment with the move to expand alcohol sales.

They say the easier access to alcohol will increase dependence, cause chronic diseases, and increase injuries, suicides, and impaired driving.

Bethlenfalvy said the government has spoken to numerous health organizations about the change.

“We take it extremely seriously, social responsibility,” he said.

Increased access to alcohol corresponds to increased consumption, and with that comes more health risks, said Dr. Leslie Buckley, chief of the addictions division at the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health.

“This would be a great time, obviously, to invest in more treatment for alcohol,” she said.

“It’s not necessarily easy to get treatment early on or even at the stage of moderate difficulties with alcohol, and it would be really great to be able to intervene earlier and give people access to treatment.”

The province has said it will spend $10 million to support social responsibility and public health efforts related to the consumption of alcohol as part of its 10-year, $3.8 billion mental health plan.

 

Y_Diner

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Ontario does not have the same type of morons living and running Ontario.
 

Twister

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I lived in Montreal years ago, the convenience stores sold cans of beer. I'm not a aware that the drunk driving is worst over there.
 
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Waiting for the drunk driving accidents to become the norm on the news that I don't watch, but I count on you guys to report.
This is my fear. I can’t say it will happen, but it is something I’m afraid of happening. Until I see that it is not the case, I’m going to feel leery about it.

I have admitted on TERB before, I have a bit of a hate on for alcohol. Too many alcoholics in my life, my father has liver disease and yet still drinks and will end up drinking himself to death. His choice. Nothing I can do about it. He is a passive drunk.

My mom was a typical older woman wino before she died. Her hypocritical nature would really come out the more she drank. We had a very turbulent relationship based on her abuse of me as a child. She was extremely controlling. I don’t “blame” the alcohol but you just really saw her two faced nature between the first glass and the end of the second bottle.

My narcissistic abusive ex was a horrible drunk. Violent and out of control. Typical red pill asshole by the end which made it worse. COVID had him up all night drinking, watching YT podcasts having him believe he was the Top dog because he made close to 100k a year. He was the one that made it so I can’t stand the sickly sweet smell of alcohol coming out of a person’s pores. Those who know, know.

So I have my own issues with the stuff. I know they are my own. They are from past trauma and I don’t judge others. Or at least I try very hard to own my issues as mine and not judge. Not until they actually do something and then I blame the booze. I can be around responsible drinkers no problem. I personally do not touch the stuff. I don’t judge those who have one drink at dinner and then drive home. And have gone on plenty of vacations with friends who get polluted at an all inclusive and laugh while assisting them home.

So I guess I’m a little weird when it comes to the stuff. Hence my fear of drunk drivers. My father, my mother and my ex had no problem driving drunk and are just lucky they never got into an accident. My friends are responsible and have DDs or take Uber/lyft.

It almost a very bi-polar type of thinking, for lack of a better term. I just try very hard to own my issues with it as my own and not project it onto other people. If that makes sense.
 
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Brewers Retail is owned by 3 international brewing companies. AB InBev, Molson Coors & Sapporo. That ownership group creates an unfair advantage where these 3 large companies dictate the terms to Local/Small brewers to have their products sold in Brewers Retail.

It helps small/local brewers if they can have their products sold in local shops vs. Brewers Retail.
 
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Brewers Retail is owned by 3 international brewing companies. AB InBev, Molson Coors & Sapporo. That ownership group creates an unfair advantage for these 3 large companies where they dictate the terms to Local/Small brewers to have their products sold in Brewers Retail.

It helps small/local brewers if they can have their products sold in local shops vs. Brewers Retail.
This is a good thing. I love supporting local. So if this helps them. That is great.
 

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I'm an adult. I don't need to be told when and where to buy my alcohol. I also never drink and drive. This should put beer & wine within walking distance for many. This has worked in Quebec for decades and New York more so. The consumers make the dumb decisions. Like with guns, the tools and the sellers are not the root cause. The customer is.
 

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I'm an adult. I don't need to be told when and where to buy my alcohol. I also never drink and drive. This should put beer & wine within walking distance for many. This has worked in Quebec for decades and New York more so. The consumers make the dumb decisions. Like with guns, the tools and the sellers are not the root cause. The customer is.
This is true. It might diminish D&D because it is in walking distance. I never thought of that.

My local convenience store has been doing some Reno’s to make a new section in front of the store, I wonder if it is to make room for selling alcohol now. It would stop people in this area from driving. That is a great point. Almost makes me have hope. Thank you.
 

altid13

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The other good thing with this change is in Oct you can buy it at the grocery store while you are grocery shopping. That is very convenient. I wonder if that will include Costco since they sell groceries.
 

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I'm an adult. I don't need to be told when and where to buy my alcohol. I also never drink and drive. This should put beer & wine within walking distance for many. This has worked in Quebec for decades and New York more so. The consumers make the dumb decisions. Like with guns, the tools and the sellers are not the root cause. The customer is.
In Quebec over the past 10 years, many small convenience stores have transformed their store in specialty beer craft stores.

I remember about 10 years ago I entered such a transformed store and ask the cashier 'Hey where can I get a 12 of Blue?', he responded 'hidden in the cooler as we suggest our client not to drink cold piss'. :ROFLMAO:

Back then I had mixed opinions about craft beer because most were IPA style, which I find awful. But then I learned and discovered the huge variety of craft beer.

Now I do not drink beer much. When I do I try a variety of craft beer. If it's summer and I need a simple cold one, I still go for a Sleeman Cream ale.
 

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In Quebec they don't really drink Blue, now 50 they will happily drink, and they question our taste.
 

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I have admitted on TERB before, I have a bit of a hate on for alcohol.

My mom was a typical older woman wino before she died. ...but you just really saw her two faced nature between the first glass and the end of the second bottle.
Good post! I edited it to narrow my response.

Same with me with the hate-on for alcohol. Used to drink like a typical teenager and into my early 20's but it got old fast. I do enjoy good wine, beer, spirits and mixed drinks as an enhancement to a meal or for the taste.

But what made me respond to your post Jen is the "typical older woman wino"!

If I ever read on a dating profile of hear a woman over 40 say, "Oh, I enjoy a nice glass of wine after dinner...." I run!

It's NEVER one glass. Inevitably it turns into at least a bottle, maybe two. And then I had to listen to ALL the shit they've gone through, all their horrible ex'es, how shitty men really are etc etc...

And fucking a drunk woman is no fun either! 😜

Having said that, one of my fave singers, Courtney Jaye, has a great song about boxed wine! I just love her music. She's got a great life story. I'd sit through a box of wine with her and listen to whatever she wanted to talk about! 💞

 
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As a dual citizen of us and can I know that the US sells beer and wine at their gas stations and convenient stores, and for decades.

There hasn't been any uptick in duis throughout the years. Most people just pick up their drink of choice when they get off work get their gas their cigarettes and head home. It's like a one stop shop.
In Ontario u have to get ur gas and smokes then drive to the beer store or LCBO depending on what u want and sometimes their out of the way and I get stuck in traffic bc their mostly in downtown areas or in high traffic areas in the Suburbs. I believe Ontario has been a nanny state for too long. We're adults, we know what the right and wrong things to do are. We know that if you drink and drive you will have your license suspended and car impounded. Most people know driving is a privilege it's not a right, so ppl dont even want to play around with that.
No car no get to work or pick it kids up from school or daycare or wherever.

The gov of Ontario is loosening the leash on the citizenry finally, trusting they will do the right thing bc we are adults after all, you can't buy cigarettes or booze unless your over 19. And 21 in the states.

I personally don't see a problem with it though I do understand other people's concerns. I just see that adults are mostly responsible. They pay their bills, they adult just fine so why when it comes to selling beer at gas stations and convenient stores it's like people forget that adults have been adulting this entire time it's not like their going to suddenly lose their collective minds over the fact that beer is going to be sold at gas stations and convenient stores and everyone will suddenly start drinking and driving as soon as this becomes a reality. In the states they even have liquor drive windows attached to the convenient stores. One used to be around the corner from my house. We would use it every now and then but we wouldn't pop a can open while driving we would wait till we get home, make our dinner and then have a bevy to go with our bbq steak dinner or whatever. I just think people should stop worrying about what other adults are doing and trust that theyve been adulting their entire adult lives and this one small change isn't going to change anything. People are generally good and responsible.

There's always going to be irresponsible people out there but they shouldn't ruin it for the rest of us. There's people that leave the beer store or LCBO and open a can of beer or whatever as soon as they leave the parking lot, so should we close the beer store and lcbos bc of them?

Those are the irresponsible people. Responsible people know not to do that. I say let it happen. The US has had this for years and the majority of their crimes have to do with guns not duis. Canadian crime is mostly car thefts and robberies that kind of thing. Not duis.
Give us the freedom to adult. We are responsible.
The responsible ones far outweigh the non responsible ones.
 

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Sales of beer and wine in convenience stores and grocery stores is the campaign promise arguably most responsible for David Peterson and the Ontario Liberal Party winning the Provincial election on June 26, 1985.
 

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Store robberies are going to go threw the roof.
nope... Robbers will rob stores that have items of real value. Heck a nice pack of rib eye for me and my 2 kids is small, easy to steal and worth 4 times the price of a dozen beer...
 
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