Obama has to pay for eight years of Bush's delusions

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He will have to get out of Iraq, and he will have to tell Israel a few home truths

Robert Fisk: Saturday, 8 November 2008

American lawyers defending six Algerians before a habeas corpus hearing in Washington this week learned some very odd things about US intelligence after 9/11. From among the millions of "raw" reports from American spies and their "assets" around the world came a CIA Middle East warning about a possible kamikaze-style air attack on a US navy base at a south Pacific island location. The only problem was that no such navy base existed on the island and no US Seventh Fleet warship had ever been there. In all seriousness, a US military investigation earlier reported that Osama bin Laden had been spotted shopping at a post office on a US military base in east Asia.


That this nonsense was disseminated around the world by those tasked to defend the United States in the "war on terror" shows the fantasy environment in which the Bush regime has existed these past eight years. If you can believe that bin Laden drops by a shopping mall on an American military base, then you can believe that everyone you arrest is a "terrorist", that Arabs are "terrorists", that they can be executed, that living "terrorists" must be tortured, that everything a tortured man says can be believed, that it is legitimate to invade sovereign states, to grab the telephone records of everyone in America. As Bob Herbert put it in The New York Times a couple of years ago, the Bush administration wanted these records "which contain crucial documentation of calls for a Chinese takeout in Terre Haute, Indiana, and birthday greetings to Grandma in Talladega, Alabama, to help in the search for Osama bin Laden". There was no stopping Bush when it came to trampling on the US Constitution. All that was new was that he was now applying the same disrespect for liberty in America that he had shown in the rest of the world.

But how is Barack Obama going to repair the titanic damage which his vicious, lying predecessor has perpetrated around the globe and within the US itself? John F Kennedy once said that "the United States, as the world knows, will never start a war". After Bush's fear-mongering and Rumsfeld's "shock and awe" and Abu Ghraib and Bagram and Guantanamo and secret renditions, how does Obama pedal his country all the way back to Camelot? Our own dear Gordon Brown's enthusiasm to Hoover up the emails of the British people is another example of how Lord Blair's sick relationship with Bush still infects our own body politic. Only days before the wretched president finally departs from us, new US legislation will ensure that citizens of his lickspittle British ally will no longer be able to visit America without special security clearance. Does Bush have any more surprises for us before 20 January? Indeed, could anything surprise us any more?

Obama has got to close Guantanamo. He's got to find a way of apologising to the world for the crimes of his predecessor, not an easy task for a man who must show pride in his country; but saying sorry is what – internationally – he will have to do if the "change" he has been promoting at home is to have any meaning outside America's borders. He will have to re-think – and deconstruct – the whole "war on terror". He will have to get out of Iraq. He will have to call a halt to America's massive airbases in Iraq, its $600m embassy. He will have to end the blood-caked air strikes we are perpetrating in southern Afghanistan – why, oh, why do we keep slaughtering wedding parties? – and he will have to tell Israel a few home truths: that America can no longer remain uncritical in the face of Israeli army brutality and the colonisation for Jews and Jews only on Arab land. Obama will have to stand up at last to the Israeli lobby (it is, in fact, an Israeli Likud party lobby) and withdraw Bush's 2004 acceptance of Israel's claim to a significant portion of the West Bank. US officials will have to talk to Iranian officials – and Hamas officials, for that matter. Obama will have to end US strikes into Pakistan – and Syria.

Indeed, there's a growing concern among America's allies in the Middle East that the US military has to be brought back under control – indeed, that the real reason for General David Petraeus' original appointment in Iraq was less to organise the "surge" than it was to bring discipline back to the 150,000 soldiers and marines whose mission – and morals – had become so warped by Bush's policies. There is some evidence, for example, that the four-helicopter strike into Syria last month, which killed eight people, was – if not a rogue operation – certainly not sanctioned byWashington or indeed by US commanders in Baghdad.

But Obama's not going to be able to make the break. He wants to draw down in Iraq in order to concentrate more firepower in Afghanistan. He's not going to take on the lobby in Washington and he's not going to stop further Jewish colonisation of the occupied territories or talk to Israel's enemies. With AIPAC supporter Rahm Emanuel as his new chief of staff – "our man in the White House", as the Israeli daily Maariv called him this week – Obama will toe the line. And of course, there's the terrible thought that bin Laden – when he's not shopping at US military post offices – may be planning another atrocity to welcome the Obama presidency.

There is just one little problem, though, and that's the "missing" prisoners. Not the victimswho have been (still are being?) tortured in Guantanamo, but the thousands who have simply disappeared into US custody abroad or – with American help – into the prisons of US allies. Some reports speak of 20,000 missing men, most of them Arabs, all of them Muslims. Where are they? Can they be freed now? Or are they dead? If Obama finds that he is inheriting mass graves from George W Bush, there will be a lot of apologising to do.
 
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OnTheWayOut

If you can't take the heat ......

....... get out the Oval Office.


How about you stop crying about what happened in the past? It's like the RATS are focusing all their energy on making excuses before Ohbie even is sworn in. If it's too tough a job based on what the current situation is then Ohbie should have let someone unafraid run.

Every incoming Prez thinks his predecessor has left him with a mess. We don't want to hear crying, we want to see plans and results. Quit making excuses for your guy before he even has a chance to do anything. Farkin RATS.
 

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The Messiah is already preparing everyone to lower their expectations. After all, there's no way he can fulfill all the promises he made to get elected.
 

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Dittoheads, remember 8 years of Dubya Lawlessness, Damage & Debacles can't be reversed overnight!
That's so clear only a fool couldn't see!...;)
 
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WoodPeckr said:
Dittoheads, remember 8 years of Dubya Lawlessness, Damage & Debacles can't be reversed overnight!
That's so clear only a fool couldn't see!...
How about waiting until your guy fails before lining up excuses? I know it's hard for you but it would be the fair thing ya know ........ oh yeah, fairness is another thing lefties seem to have a problem grasping.

BTW, good to see you're not falling behind on your catch phrases ...... without them you'd still have nothing to say but the nothing would be even less colorful. :rolleyes:
 

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WoodPeckr said:
Dittoheads, remember 8 years of Dubya Lawlessness, Damage & Debacles can't be reversed overnight!
That's so clear only a fool couldn't see!...;)




I heard that hussein was going to cure the common cold, make ugly people attractive and solve global warming by next week.


He's a miracle I tell you.





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LOL!!!
Glad you've seen the light.
Barack thanks you for your support!...;)
 

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When Bush took office I said it then and I will say it again. It takes about a year for a Presidents policies to filter down to the American people. Do yes the first year we will have to look to the past. However years 3 through and yes 5 are on him. If Obamma is elected to a second term his policies will take us to year 9.
 
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papasmerf said:
When Bush took office I said it then and I will say it again. It takes about a year for a Presidents policies to filter down to the American people. Do yes the first year we will have to look to the past. However years 3 through and yes 5 are on him. If Obamma is elected to a second term his policies will take us to year 9.
what happened to years 2, 6,7,8? :p
 

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slurp said:
what happened to years 2, 6,7,8? :p


Them are all on Obamma. Sad to think people will not have Bush to blame when things look bad
 
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papasmerf said:
Them are all on Obamma. Sad to think people will not have Bush to blame when things look bad
You kidding? The RATS will be blaming Bush for everything they screw up for the next 20 years! They don't let any chance to blame someone else slip away easily.
 

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papasmerf said:
When Bush took office I said it then and I will say it again. It takes about a year for a Presidents policies to filter down to the American people. Do yes the first year we will have to look to the past. However years 3 through and yes 5 are on him. If Obamma is elected to a second term his policies will take us to year 9.
I think it's going to take a lot longer than anticipated to get the US out of the morass caused by the last eight years. The $700 billion corporate welfare, the war in Iraq, the massive deficit, re-building America's status abroad, etc. etc. is probably going to take a lot longer than anybody thinks.

You can rest assured, though, that Obama's policies are going to be blamed by the Republicans for the mess left behind by Dubya.
 
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Whose finger pointing will prevail? Since OB promised he can fix everything he better make good or he'll rightly be held accountable.
 

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slurp said:
Whose finger pointing will prevail? Since OB promised he can fix everything he better make good or he'll rightly be held accountable.
So you're admitting that the policies of the past eight years need fixing?
 

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Of course they are ;)

Anyway you look at it, it's going to be tough for Obama working this mess. Let's hope he can change things much better for the people than what this soon to be past administration has done.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't McCain also say who knew how to fix all of America's problems?

I seem to recall him making claims that "I know how to win wars", "I know how to catch Bin Laden", "I know how to get our economy on the right track" (btw, if he knew how to catch Bin Laden, why would he keep it a secret?)

Both candidates made these claims. The only difference between the two was that Obama was more believable.
 
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capncrunch said:
So you're admitting that the policies of the past eight years need fixing?
I'd say that statement would be true of any 8 year period in history. No one gets everything right.
 

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slurp said:
I'd say that statement would be true of any 8 year period in history. No one gets everything right.
OK, fair comment.

So given the things that were under Bush's control (ie: the collapse of the credit system was clearly out of his hands), in your opinion what are the things that Obama is going to have to correct?
 

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papasmerf said:
When Bush took office I said it then and I will say it again. It takes about a year for a Presidents policies to filter down to the American people.
At least a year, but yes, you're correct. We have George's budget for 2009 and that can't be changed. Moreover, much of what has to be done involves fixing what George left unfinished. He started two wars and didn't get the job done. He overspent and has us spiralling into debt. He nearly single handedly lost the goodwill of the rest of the world following 9/11. Obama has said in a best case scenario this will not be done in a year, or even in one term. Alot easier to make a mess than to be left with the unenviable task of trying to clean it up.
 
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capncrunch said:
OK, fair comment.

So given the things that were under Bush's control (ie: the collapse of the credit system was clearly out of his hands), in your opinion what are the things that Obama is going to have to correct?
OB claims he's going to lower taxes, create jobs, improve health care, etc etc. The things he's pledged to correct are what he'll be accountable for. The wars and economy are 2 examples of things he will be a free ride to start with .... but if his solutions worsen the situations he will need to be held accountable for that.

That's not an all inclusive list, it's off the top of my head. It's halftime of the football game which is way more important than economy, politics or world peace anyway ;)
 
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