newbie Indy SP seeks advice
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This is my first post here, so please be kind in your responses
I have a very good friend who is an independent SP with a small select group of clients. After being fairly inactive for the past year or more she would like to expand her clientele.
Looking for advice from terb members...
She is looking for upscale clients who can afford her $300 per hour rate, wondering if there are any senior terb members who fit into this category? I have seen various glowing reviews of different SP's which sometimes appear to be suspect when posted by a new member. I think an honest review by a respected/senior terb member might help her expand her clientele. Any other suggestions on how to attract the type of clientle she seeks? (working on a website at the moment)
Also wondering if any SP's out there can offer advice on safe business practices,,,thinking about safety issues when meeting someone for the 1st time that kind of thing. (I recall using an agency waay back and the girl used my phone to call someone (her driver?) to confirm things were 'ok' when she arrived,,then called again when the session was over,,to again confirm everyting was good (and she needed to be picked up?)..What type of precautions should an independeant SP be taking? Is there any way to confirm a phone number matches an address provided? (don't some agencies insist on a phone number to call back to make arrangements?)
A few details about this exceptional SP.....
24 year old Asian, 5'4" 110lbs, 34a/27/34
outcalls @ $300 per hour in the GTA and surrounding area
extremely open minded and attractive, with a great smile.
enjoys good company and good conversation (i.e. fairly selective in her choice of clients)
I would consider her a GFE but my opinion may be biased
- does no kissing mean she would not be considered a GFE?
she makes a great first impression....
Any advice would be most appreciated...Thanks in advance.
Healthy and Happy New Year to all..
Pete
I have a very good friend who is an independent SP with a small select group of clients. After being fairly inactive for the past year or more she would like to expand her clientele.
Looking for advice from terb members...
She is looking for upscale clients who can afford her $300 per hour rate, wondering if there are any senior terb members who fit into this category? I have seen various glowing reviews of different SP's which sometimes appear to be suspect when posted by a new member. I think an honest review by a respected/senior terb member might help her expand her clientele. Any other suggestions on how to attract the type of clientle she seeks? (working on a website at the moment)
Also wondering if any SP's out there can offer advice on safe business practices,,,thinking about safety issues when meeting someone for the 1st time that kind of thing. (I recall using an agency waay back and the girl used my phone to call someone (her driver?) to confirm things were 'ok' when she arrived,,then called again when the session was over,,to again confirm everyting was good (and she needed to be picked up?)..What type of precautions should an independeant SP be taking? Is there any way to confirm a phone number matches an address provided? (don't some agencies insist on a phone number to call back to make arrangements?)
A few details about this exceptional SP.....
24 year old Asian, 5'4" 110lbs, 34a/27/34
outcalls @ $300 per hour in the GTA and surrounding area
extremely open minded and attractive, with a great smile.
enjoys good company and good conversation (i.e. fairly selective in her choice of clients)
I would consider her a GFE but my opinion may be biased
- does no kissing mean she would not be considered a GFE?she makes a great first impression....
Any advice would be most appreciated...Thanks in advance.
Healthy and Happy New Year to all..
Pete
definition and rates
Although you will not get everyone to agree to one standard GFE definition, generally speaking it should include MSOG, DFK and DATY, and probably BBBJ (although some will consider a CBJ sufficient).
Especially at an above average rate ($300/hr), she should be willing to provide more than just the average experience.
Although you will not get everyone to agree to one standard GFE definition, generally speaking it should include MSOG, DFK and DATY, and probably BBBJ (although some will consider a CBJ sufficient).
Especially at an above average rate ($300/hr), she should be willing to provide more than just the average experience.
I'll pile on a little bit more here...
I agree with both kooley and muffinmuncher. In my book, dfk is a requirement to be considered a gfe (although I have said I'd like to totally dispense with that term). And, that $300 does set a high level of expectation in terms of looks, services, something.
Any any rate, your friend has the right to set the price and her level of service anywhere she chooses. She should know, though, there is a lot of competition out there, with beautiful girls offering exceptional levels of service (dfk, daty, bbbj, bls, msog, even greek) for $200-$250 an hour.
That all being said, I would be more than happy to see your friend and offer my review to the board.
I agree with both kooley and muffinmuncher. In my book, dfk is a requirement to be considered a gfe (although I have said I'd like to totally dispense with that term). And, that $300 does set a high level of expectation in terms of looks, services, something.
Any any rate, your friend has the right to set the price and her level of service anywhere she chooses. She should know, though, there is a lot of competition out there, with beautiful girls offering exceptional levels of service (dfk, daty, bbbj, bls, msog, even greek) for $200-$250 an hour.
That all being said, I would be more than happy to see your friend and offer my review to the board.
$300 an hour ???
Many of the SP TERB member who are proven with repeated good reviews can not ask for $300.
Of course, she can ask for $300 or $1000. But she may get one or two appointments a week and probably no repeat.
I recently saw a very beautiful 19 year old and she said she started out charging $200 hour and $140 for 1/2. She got many calls but many cancellations. she end up not making what she expected.
But as soon as she move her rate down to $100 an hour, her cancellations was down and became very busy.
It is very competitive in Toronto.
I also look at Montreal. Averaged $150 an hour.
I like to see your friend and give her more advice . PM me ho wto get hold of her.
Many of the SP TERB member who are proven with repeated good reviews can not ask for $300.
Of course, she can ask for $300 or $1000. But she may get one or two appointments a week and probably no repeat.
I recently saw a very beautiful 19 year old and she said she started out charging $200 hour and $140 for 1/2. She got many calls but many cancellations. she end up not making what she expected.
But as soon as she move her rate down to $100 an hour, her cancellations was down and became very busy.
It is very competitive in Toronto.
I also look at Montreal. Averaged $150 an hour.
I like to see your friend and give her more advice . PM me ho wto get hold of her.
Re: $300 an hour ???
CPete, being selective on the choice of clients is good but @ $300 per hour there will not be a lot of choice.
Plus, you are asking a Senior TERB Member to spend $300 AND advertize on the board for her....Well this might be a lot to ask.
I am a big fan of Asian women and have my regulars, I usually book 2 hours to allow time for MSOG and lots of Foreplay...but @ $300 per hour might be too much. Usually pay $500 for 2 hrs.
Your friend might get more business @ $250 per hour than $300.
Maybe you want to post her Business Phone number to let people book her ?
Good luck'
Frenchy
Well, usually, you get what you pay for. $100 per hour is cheap for Toronto Escort....and $300 is on the High Side.aslan said:
CPete, being selective on the choice of clients is good but @ $300 per hour there will not be a lot of choice.
Plus, you are asking a Senior TERB Member to spend $300 AND advertize on the board for her....Well this might be a lot to ask.
I am a big fan of Asian women and have my regulars, I usually book 2 hours to allow time for MSOG and lots of Foreplay...but @ $300 per hour might be too much. Usually pay $500 for 2 hrs.
Your friend might get more business @ $250 per hour than $300.
Maybe you want to post her Business Phone number to let people book her ?
Good luck'
Frenchy
ok,,,my first post and I made the mistake of using the term GFE...having just read the 'transformation of GFE and definition of GFE' posts I now know better.......let's just say she is not a GFE, although might be considered one by some (including her current clients)...I have decided not to use the GFE term anymore,,so hopefully this post does not turn into another GFE discussion.
the point of this post was to get advice,,,not to give out her picture and services provided. (altho eventually I will post the website once it is up and running)...
also realize that there is lots of competition out there and that the going rate is lower than what she is asking for, but as homonger states..she has the right to set her own price and service levels...she would much rather prefer to have fewer 'select' clients and longer appointments.....I suspect the girls that offer everything and anything for the $200 - $250 range have many more customers and appointments per day......I would like to think what sets her apart from the rest (besides her beauty AND brains) is the fact that she is more of a sophisticated girl-next-door type as opposed to a professional SP. Like a lot of independants she actually has a real job and just does this on a part time basis. I think most terb hobbyists are looking for bargains i.e. the more acronyms you can get the better (which is probably what I would be looking for myself). Her target market is not the bargain hunters but the upscale business traveller types who can afford her....Not that she won't do the 1 hour 1 off hobbyist encounters but a regular client base is more what she is looking for. She already has her regular's who have no problem with her pricing, just looking for a few more regulals.
I agree with Frenchy that you get what you pay for. I have also told her that lowering her price to $250 for longer appointments is probably wise. This would probably be agreeable, but I will confirm before stating that as fact. I definetly will suggest that a 'special' rate for a senior terb member might be in order as frenchy suggests......But again she is not looking for a huge volume of appointments at <$200 an hour (sorry aslan). She is looking for new 'select' clients.
And before anyone else asks,I will not post her contact info just yet. This will be provided eventually so please be patient. If you are looking for a bargain or a discount rate, keep looking.
the point of this post was to get advice,,,not to give out her picture and services provided. (altho eventually I will post the website once it is up and running)...
also realize that there is lots of competition out there and that the going rate is lower than what she is asking for, but as homonger states..she has the right to set her own price and service levels...she would much rather prefer to have fewer 'select' clients and longer appointments.....I suspect the girls that offer everything and anything for the $200 - $250 range have many more customers and appointments per day......I would like to think what sets her apart from the rest (besides her beauty AND brains) is the fact that she is more of a sophisticated girl-next-door type as opposed to a professional SP. Like a lot of independants she actually has a real job and just does this on a part time basis. I think most terb hobbyists are looking for bargains i.e. the more acronyms you can get the better (which is probably what I would be looking for myself). Her target market is not the bargain hunters but the upscale business traveller types who can afford her....Not that she won't do the 1 hour 1 off hobbyist encounters but a regular client base is more what she is looking for. She already has her regular's who have no problem with her pricing, just looking for a few more regulals.
I agree with Frenchy that you get what you pay for. I have also told her that lowering her price to $250 for longer appointments is probably wise. This would probably be agreeable, but I will confirm before stating that as fact. I definetly will suggest that a 'special' rate for a senior terb member might be in order as frenchy suggests......But again she is not looking for a huge volume of appointments at <$200 an hour (sorry aslan). She is looking for new 'select' clients.
And before anyone else asks,I will not post her contact info just yet. This will be provided eventually so please be patient. If you are looking for a bargain or a discount rate, keep looking.
No worries about the GFE thing. You're new and couldn't possibly know about all the time and energy that has been spent debating that term.
Here's my take on your sp friend...
If she is as attractive and intelligent as you say, she should have no problem attracting and securing the upscale business traveler she seeks. I would go and say further that she should be able to attract a few more clients simply with a well designed website and some well placed ads on a few escort sites.
It doesn't sound like she would be the type that would be a terb fan favorite. Too much $ for the mileage offered. But that is okay, because she doesn't want to be a "high volume" fan favorite.
I look forward to hearing more about her.
Here's my take on your sp friend...
If she is as attractive and intelligent as you say, she should have no problem attracting and securing the upscale business traveler she seeks. I would go and say further that she should be able to attract a few more clients simply with a well designed website and some well placed ads on a few escort sites.
It doesn't sound like she would be the type that would be a terb fan favorite. Too much $ for the mileage offered. But that is okay, because she doesn't want to be a "high volume" fan favorite.
I look forward to hearing more about her.
S
Samantha Jones
As others have said above- your friend may not become a terb favorite- but that has nothing to do with being booked.
Her ad or website should reflect the type of escort she see's herself as and what she proposes to offer.
Many ladies whether they advertise or not, have websites or not are fully booked(as booked as THEY want to be)
She can best gauge how she is doing by how booked she is and by how many clients repeat.
If you want any website host/design or photographer names(for reasonable prices) pm me.
Her ad or website should reflect the type of escort she see's herself as and what she proposes to offer.
Many ladies whether they advertise or not, have websites or not are fully booked(as booked as THEY want to be)
She can best gauge how she is doing by how booked she is and by how many clients repeat.
If you want any website host/design or photographer names(for reasonable prices) pm me.
thanks homonger!
I think you seemed to have hit the nail on the head with your take on my sp friend. She already has secured some upscale clients, just looking to add a few more. I have suggested to her that lowering her price (say $250) would probably help increase her volume but I expect she will stick with her going rate as that's what her clients are willing to pay. Perhaps she may be more agreeable to discounts for 2+ hour appointments(??) - stay tuned...
In any event a well designed website and some well placed ads seem to be good ideas that will help her.
Thanks homonger that's the type of advice I was looking for.
homonger said:
I think you seemed to have hit the nail on the head with your take on my sp friend. She already has secured some upscale clients, just looking to add a few more. I have suggested to her that lowering her price (say $250) would probably help increase her volume but I expect she will stick with her going rate as that's what her clients are willing to pay. Perhaps she may be more agreeable to discounts for 2+ hour appointments(??) - stay tuned...
In any event a well designed website and some well placed ads seem to be good ideas that will help her.
Thanks homonger that's the type of advice I was looking for.
Personally....
.....I would hedge a little @ $300 per hour, with a lot more hedging @ $600 for 2 hours, my personal preferred minimum stay!
If she offered $300 the hour and $500 for two hours with $200 per each additional hour, She may have a good chance of increasing her "upscale" clientele!
Given that her attributes and looks are better than average, and the services offered satisfied my desires and curiousity, the above rate schedule would be in line with what I have paid in the past for the company of some very wonderful women!
Willywants
.....I would hedge a little @ $300 per hour, with a lot more hedging @ $600 for 2 hours, my personal preferred minimum stay!
If she offered $300 the hour and $500 for two hours with $200 per each additional hour, She may have a good chance of increasing her "upscale" clientele!
Given that her attributes and looks are better than average, and the services offered satisfied my desires and curiousity, the above rate schedule would be in line with what I have paid in the past for the company of some very wonderful women!
Willywants
Willywants' price scheme sounds reasonable. There are never enough good looking asian girls that work outside the asian communities. So she would always have that working for her. But don't push the "I'm so exclusive" angle too hard or you will make her come off as snobby. Granted its a fine line to walk between exclusive and so much apparent exclusivity that it turns away potential clients who could afford her.
Like Samantha Jones said, her website should do the majority of the talking, if that is the medium she wishes to use to reveal her work persona in.
Like Samantha Jones said, her website should do the majority of the talking, if that is the medium she wishes to use to reveal her work persona in.
Let her try. She is welcome to try. Rates can always be adjusted. But in my book, unless she is extraordinarily sophisticated and well-educated, she is too young to command the courtesan rate of $300. And without kissing? I think not.
Her clients will be American, for whom $300 is only $200, not frugal and discerning Canadians.
Einar
Her clients will be American, for whom $300 is only $200, not frugal and discerning Canadians.
Einar
Cpete,
We are all different here on TERB, and as such have different tastes and budgets.
My budget allows me a 2hrs @$500 type of girl.
As you said, SHE is the only person to determine what she thinks an encounter with her is worth...
Pricing is very powerful in screening a certain category of customers, and I am sure she is worth the $300 per Hour...and she has lots of regulars but even if I was able to pay $300 (and god knows I love Asian women) I Like Variety too much to become a regular.
You should look at some websites Sheik put on the board somewhere about SP's charging 1.5 Million per night.
Frenchy
We are all different here on TERB, and as such have different tastes and budgets.
My budget allows me a 2hrs @$500 type of girl.
As you said, SHE is the only person to determine what she thinks an encounter with her is worth...
Pricing is very powerful in screening a certain category of customers, and I am sure she is worth the $300 per Hour...and she has lots of regulars but even if I was able to pay $300 (and god knows I love Asian women) I Like Variety too much to become a regular.
You should look at some websites Sheik put on the board somewhere about SP's charging 1.5 Million per night.
Frenchy
Fair Market Value
The definition of Fair Market Value is the price a Willing Buyer will pay to a Willing Seller.
There is also the issue of Supply and Demand.
I think what a willing buyer looks for in this business very important.
Buyer in this case may not pay more than a certain amount for a SP. But, there are always exceptions. Like the group that want to bring a porn star from Vegas. They think US$1000 an hour is a good deal. But how many porn stars can you afford ?
Many of us will pay a large sum for certain SP, but, will you do it as offen as the normal market price ?
I think every SP can ask for $500 an hour. If you guys will pay for that, then fine.
I am a buyer and I look for services. Many SP who received good reviews mainly provide gooooooooooood services.
Just my two cents worth.
The definition of Fair Market Value is the price a Willing Buyer will pay to a Willing Seller.
There is also the issue of Supply and Demand.
I think what a willing buyer looks for in this business very important.
Buyer in this case may not pay more than a certain amount for a SP. But, there are always exceptions. Like the group that want to bring a porn star from Vegas. They think US$1000 an hour is a good deal. But how many porn stars can you afford ?
Many of us will pay a large sum for certain SP, but, will you do it as offen as the normal market price ?
I think every SP can ask for $500 an hour. If you guys will pay for that, then fine.
I am a buyer and I look for services. Many SP who received good reviews mainly provide gooooooooooood services.
Just my two cents worth.
By the way- I have seen 15 Sp in Nov and 20 in Dec
Obviously, I can afford to see SP who ask for $500 an hour-
The question is then- will I ?
I was in St. Johns a while back and spent $2000 in one week on SP. but none were as good as many SP who has good reviews in TERB.
I should have taken many cold showers and waited till I get back to Toronto.
Obviously, I can afford to see SP who ask for $500 an hour-
The question is then- will I ?
I was in St. Johns a while back and spent $2000 in one week on SP. but none were as good as many SP who has good reviews in TERB.
I should have taken many cold showers and waited till I get back to Toronto.
Re: the basics
As for the webhosting - can you provide a link or any more details? The photograpgher sounds like a possibility so I will let her know and have her email you if interested...
Thanks so much for your post,,,nice to get advice from SP's not just the guys here. Any other pointers please let me know.
Thanks Anya, Yes the definition 'select' for the most part means has lots of $ - but that is not the only criteria. (granted probably the most important one)...but just becuase a guy can afford my friends prices does not mean she would be interested in seeing him as a regular or even a 1 time thing. There can be other factors to consider as I am sure you are awareAnya said:
As for the webhosting - can you provide a link or any more details? The photograpgher sounds like a possibility so I will let her know and have her email you if interested...
Thanks so much for your post,,,nice to get advice from SP's not just the guys here. Any other pointers please let me know.
