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GOPers should support this, especially Darth Cheney and our own 'numbers guy' bottie, who always maintained/preached 'Deficits don't Matter'!
Happy Days are here again.....:cool:


New Obama plans: 'spend our way out' of downturn

By PHILIP ELLIOTT, Associated Press Writer – 51 mins ago

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama outlined new multibillion-dollar stimulus and jobs proposals Tuesday, saying the nation must continue to "spend our way out of this recession" until more Americans are back at work.

Without giving a price tag, Obama proposed a package of new spending for highway, bridge and other infrastructure projects, deeper tax breaks for small businesses and tax incentives to encourage people to make their homes more energy efficient.

"We avoided the depression many feared," Obama said in a speech at the Brookings Institution, a Washington think tank. But, he added, "Our work is far from done."

For the third time in a week, Obama sought to focus on job creation, noting that the unemployment rate was still at 10 percent in November, though down slightly from its 10.2 percent peak. He said "a staggering" 7 million Americans have lost jobs since the recession began two years ago.

While his proposal did not include the kind of direct federal public works jobs that were created in the 1930s, he said government could set the stage for more job creation by private businesses.

A major part of his package is new incentives for small businesses, which account for two-thirds of the nation's work force. He proposed a new tax cut for small businesses that hire in 2010 and an elimination for one year of the capital gains tax on profits from small-business investments.

Obama also proposed an elimination of fees on loans to small businesses, coupled with federal guarantees of those loans through the end of next year.

He called for more government spending on infrastructure projects such as roads, bridges and water projects and for new tax breaks for consumers who invest in energy-efficient retrofits in their homes. This could be what some administration officials have called a "Cash for Caulkers" program modeled on the now-expired Cash for Clunkers program of tax rebates for people who turned in old cars for more fuel-efficient models.

The administration also is eyeing ways to get money still not spent in the $787 billion stimulus bill passed last winter into projects more quickly.

Obama did not characterize his new proposals as another stimulus program like that mammoth measure, but Republican critics have called it just that and have said it will increase a federal deficit that is already at a record level.

Obama included sharp criticism for Republicans in his speech, accusing them of opposing economic stimulus efforts and his health care overhaul while supporting tax cuts and spending that have ballooned the deficit.

He said that soon after taking office, he and congressional Democrats took "a series of difficult steps" to try to stabilize the financial system and pull the economy out of a deep recession.

"And we were forced to take those steps largely without the help of an opposition party which, unfortunately, after having presided over the decision-making that led to the crisis, decided to hand it to others to solve."


Obama did not say how much his proposals would cost, although congressional Democrats are eyeing a $70 billion package to help create jobs and to provide aid to hard-pressed state and local governments. Administration aides suggested that the part of the package dealing with roads, bridges and other infrastructure could total about $50 billion.

While acknowledging increasing concerns in Congress and among the public over the nation's growing debt, Obama said critics present a "false choice" between paying down deficits and investing in job creation and economic growth.

To pay for the new programs, the administration is citing the Treasury Department's report on Monday that it expects to get back $200 billion in taxpayer-approved bank bailout funds faster than expected.

Obama suggested this windfall would both help the government spend money on job creation while also paying down the nation's debt, which now totals $12 trillion.

Obama called the bank bailout, under the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), "galling."

"There has rarely been a less loved — or more necessary — emergency program," Obama said. The program is expected to go out of business at the end of this year unless extended by Congress.

Since the program is costing taxpayers at least $200 billion less than expected, Obama said, "This gives us a chance to pay down the deficit faster than we thought possible and to shift funds that would have gone to help the banks on Wall Street to help create jobs on Main Street."

But Republicans continued to insist that the leftover and repaid TARP money must be used exclusively for deficit reduction and not for a new jobs program.

"The president's announcement is further proof that TARP has morphed from an emergency injection of liquidity to thaw frozen credit markets into a $700 billion revolving slush fund to promote the Democrats' political, social and economic agenda," said Rep. Jeb Hensarling, R-Texas.

Obama said he is backing the measures he outlined because they "will generate the greatest number of jobs while generating the greatest value for our economy."

"These targeted initiatives are right, and they are needed," he said.
 

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This guy talks pretty but I'm starting to think he's dumb as a stump.....

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While I'm sure the numbers will scare off the lefties.....

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Cost-benefit analysis of jobs stimulus

DEC 7, 2009 12:23 EST

STIMULUS | UNEMPLOYMENT

Hopefully any new plan will have a better ROI than the current stimulus package. Economic analyst Ed Yardeni runs the numbers:

The Obama Administration is touting that their stimulus program has saved or created 640,329 jobs since it was enacted back in February through the end of October. This number is updated and posted on the Administration’s recovery.gov web site. That amounts to $246,436 per job based on the $157.8bn that has been awarded so far! Total compensation earned by the average payroll employee during October, on an annualized basis, was $59,867. If the government had simply used the funds awarded so far to pay for a year’s worth of labor, that would have paid for 2.6mn jobs!




And let's be honest, there are enough holes in those "saved or created" numbers to drive an armored division through.... which means that the brilliant Dems paid more than a quarter of a million per job....

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To pay for the new programs, the administration is citing the Treasury Department's report on Monday that it expects to get back $200 billion in taxpayer-approved bank bailout funds faster than expected.

Obama suggested this windfall would both help the government spend money on job creation while also paying down the nation's debt, which now totals $12 trillion.
How the fuck is he going to pay down the US National debt when he is running budget deficits well over $1 trillion every year for the forseeable future?

Even when Clinton claimed to be running a surplus, the US National debt went up.
So now Obama is going to pay down the US National debt while running massive trillion dollar deficits? :rolleyes:

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
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Just heard John Chambers, CEO of Cisco is embarking on a massive global hiring plan. I don't think the government had much to do with it. Good reports last qtr from Intel, IBM HP and others mean Tech is definitely rebounding.
 

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This guy talks pretty but I'm starting to think he's dumb as a stump.....

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Actually a stimulus package that focuses on infrastructure makes a lot more sense than the last one. We are far behind on road, bridge, and water main infrastructure. Sooner or later, we will have to pay for it, if we are to remain a First World country.
 

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Originally Posted by onthebottom
This guy talks pretty but I'm starting to think he's dumb as a stump.....
Coming from a guy who has about as much vision as Dubya delivering real economic performance....:D
 

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While I'm sure the numbers will scare off the lefties.....

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Cost-benefit analysis of jobs stimulus

DEC 7, 2009 12:23 EST

STIMULUS | UNEMPLOYMENT

Hopefully any new plan will have a better ROI than the current stimulus package. Economic analyst Ed Yardeni runs the numbers:

The Obama Administration is touting that their stimulus program has saved or created 640,329 jobs since it was enacted back in February through the end of October. This number is updated and posted on the Administration’s recovery.gov web site. That amounts to $246,436 per job based on the $157.8bn that has been awarded so far! Total compensation earned by the average payroll employee during October, on an annualized basis, was $59,867. If the government had simply used the funds awarded so far to pay for a year’s worth of labor, that would have paid for 2.6mn jobs!




And let's be honest, there are enough holes in those "saved or created" numbers to drive an armored division through.... which means that the brilliant Dems paid more than a quarter of a million per job....

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So are you suggesting to the unemployed that they should 'east cake', or go hang? What if you were one of those people, most of whom have been layed off through no fault of their own? The US apparently has a $1.6 trillion deficit in infrastructure repairs. Most of the highways and bridges currently in use were actually built in the 1950s and 1960s and they're getting too old to constantly patch up. When would suggest the gov. should refurbish them, during a boom?

Let's face it, you're fucked anyway with the debt you're racking up, so you might as well forge ahead with spending that'll ease the burden of the unemployed as much as possible.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/#
 

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So are you suggesting to the unemployed that they should 'east cake', or go hang?
bottie is a con so he'd prefer they just hang themselves and leave the cake to the elite select few....:rolleyes:
 

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The last comparable depression back in the '30's was significantly extended because of the lack of spending and only ended when the $$$$ started flowing to finance WWII. Let's hope we can spend our way out without starting a WW.
 

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Obama suggested this windfall would both help the government spend money on job creation while also paying down the nation's debt, which now totals $12 trillion.
Thank goodness Obama is paying down the massive US National debt. :rolleyes:


Congress raises debt ceiling to $12.4 trillion
Senate votes to raise ceiling on government's debt by $290 billion to $12.4 trillion (this should be good for a couple of months)

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Senate voted Thursday to raise the ceiling on the government debt to $12.4 trillion, a massive increase over the current limit and a political problem that President Barack Obama has promised to address next year.

The Senate's rare Christmas Eve vote, 60-39, follows House passage last week and raises the debt ceiling by $290 billion. The vote split mainly down party lines, with Democrats voting to raise the limit and Republicans voting against doing so. There was one defection on each side, by senators whose seats will be on the ballot next year: GOP Sen. George Voinovich of Ohio and Democratic Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana. Sen. Jim Bunning, R-Ky., did not vote.

"I would not support raising the debt ceiling because Congress has not adopted a credible process to restrain spending and eliminate red ink," Bayh said a statement after the vote.

The bill permits the Treasury Department to issue enough bonds to fund the government's operations and programs until mid-February. The Senate will vote again on the issue Jan. 20.

Obama must sign the measure into law to prevent a market-rattling, first-ever default on U.S. obligations. The government piled up a record $1.4 trillion deficit in 2009 to counter a meltdown in financial markets and help bring the nation out of its worst recession in seven decades.

The early-morning vote followed the Senate's passage of a landmark bill to overhaul the nation's health care system. They were the Senate's last votes of the year.

With the exception of Voinovich, Republicans uniformly derided the bill, though they routinely supplied votes for eight previous increases totaling $5.4 trillion under President George W. Bush.

Voinovich, who is retiring, said he voted "yes" after Majority Leader Harry Reid agreed to consider amendments when the Senate takes up the matter again next month. Bayh told the Senate Budget Committee in November that he would oppose an increase in the limit unless Congress commits to a strict new debt-fighting plan.

Democrats had originally planned to pass an unprecedented increase of almost $2 trillion to avoid another vote before next year's midterm elections.

But that plan fell apart amid opposition from about a dozen Senate Democratic moderates, who refuse to support a debt limit increase unless it is accompanied by legislation to establish a new bipartisan task force to come up with a plan to curb the deficit. That idea is opposed by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and other Democratic leaders.

Pelosi, meanwhile, is supporting demands of moderate House Democrats, who are demanding a "pay-as-you-go" budget law aimed at ensuring that new tax cuts or new spending programs don't increase deficits in exchange for their votes for the next debt increase.

The Senate is generally opposed to the idea, even though it was the law of the land for more than a decade.

Battles over those issues and others, such as a vote on a GOP proposal to end the Wall Street bailout program, are expected to resume during January's debate.

Except for Voinovich, Republicans -- who helped supply votes to increase the debt ceiling twice last year and provided 27 votes for an $850 billion increase two years ago -- opposed the legislation. It is required to issue new debt to pay for federal operations and deposit up to $50 billion into the Social Security trust funds to pay pensions.

Thursday's debt limit measure and the larger version looming in January require a supermajority of 60 votes to pass. Democrats control the chamber with 60 votes, which could require all 60 members of the Democratic caucus to vote for it, including several members who are politically endangered.

The current measure is needed as a result of the out-of-control budget deficit, which registered $1.4 trillion for the budget year that ended in September. The current debt ceiling is $12.1 trillion and is set to be reached by Dec. 31.
 

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Did you have a Dubya up there in the GWN that left you(s) with the same type of massive clusterfu*k, as we were left down here in 2008?....:eek:
 

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Its funny because when Reagan did this exact same thing, the left denounced it and the right supported him 100%.

More importantly, do you know who's really going to benefit from this.... the next President! The economy will be moving again by then.


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Then you agree Obama has vision....;)
 
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