Netanyahoo - Israel will never return Golan Heights.....

[nottyboi]

http://www.wsj.com/articles/israel-...an-heights-to-syria-says-netanyahu-1460900220

Proving once again that all the peace talks were never intended to succeed on their part.

 

[basketcase]

http://www.wsj.com/articles/israel-...an-heights-to-syria-says-netanyahu-1460900220

Proving once again that all the peace talks were never intended to succeed on their part.

Peace talks with Syria?

 

[nottyboi]

Peace talks with Syria?

they have had them...lots of times, do some reading, learn to use google.....


The question is, why no US sanctions against Israel? This is an illegal annexation and they did not even have a referendum of the local population like Russia did with Crimea.

 

[fuji]

Maybe Syria shouldn't have attacked.

 

[fuji]

There have been peace talks between Hafez Assad and Ehud Barack in the 90's and Israel refused to surrender the entire Golan. Barack wanted the whole lake and Assad Father declined any treaty that doesn't offer access to lake. The reason why Israel wants to keep Golan has nothing to do with security, but just to keep stealing water.

Syria isn't going to get to put artillery in the Golan. It's never going to happen. In the Sinai Israel tried an interesting deal, giving Egypt sovereignty but with a requirement that it be demilitarized.

However, look how that turned out. Terrorists filled the vacuum left by the absence of the Egyptian army.

Only way Golan stays peaceful is if it is controlled by IDF.

That' s just reality.

 

[fuji]

well, if they want to keep Golan then they should give equal rights to all of its inhabitants regardless of their ethnicity.

Israel already did that. Israel treats the Golan as part of Israel proper, and all its people have been offered citizenship (not all have accepted the offer).

 

[canada-man]

That's great, why don't they extend this offer to west bank palestinians ?

They are part of The State Of Palestine

 

[basketcase]

well, if they want to keep Golan then they should give equal rights to all of its inhabitants regardless of their ethnicity.

Israel does offer Israeli citizenship to Golan Arabs.

And since the West Bank Palestinians overwhelmingly reject a One State peace, what would offering them citizenship accomplish?

 

[fuji]

Netanyahu said he won't allow a palestinian state.

No he didn't. Stop lying.

Israel treats the Golan as part of Israel, while it treats the bulk of the West Bank as foreign.

 

[fuji]

Netanyahu: No Palestinian state on my watch

http://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-no-palestinian-state-under-my-watch/

Which is totally different than what you claimed. You LIED. Netanyahu explicitly supports a Palestinian state, contrary to your claim, but with reasonable conditions that he says the Palestinians won't meet while he is in office. For example, the Palestinians won't have disarmed Hamas within that time.

That is totally different than saying he won't allow one ever, and he is clearly working towards one in the future.

You need to stop betting so dishonest about this.

 

[fuji]

he said he won't allow one as long as he's in power. When he retires he will have no power to allow a palestinian state or not.

He is just right that Hamas isn't going to be disarmed while he is in office. That's obvious. He is working towards the conditions that will make a Palestinian state possible one day, while observing it isn't going to be soon.

What do you dispute about that?

If your mechanic tells you you can't have your car back today because it's going to take another week to get the parts, do you go around saying he is refusing to fix your car or against fixing your car?

 

[fuji]

Actually he's making the conditions even impossible by building more settlements,

Nope. The new building is inside the security wall. Expansion of existing settlements changes nothing.

 

[fuji]

That's a change in legal status of land already in Jewish settlement blocks.

You have wandered off topic now. Let's go back and close out on this point: Netanyahu supports a Palestinian state and is simply being an accurate observer when he says the Palestinians will not be ready for one during his tenure.

 

[basketcase]

Actually he's making the conditions even impossible by building more settlements,

Since you avoided answering when I asked in the other thread, how do you propose Israel creates peace when Hamas, a designated terrorist entity, openly rejects making peace as long as Israel exists in historic Palestine?

"We repeat today that we are with the establishment of a Palestinian state on any liberated part of Palestinian land that is agreed upon by the Palestinian people,without recognizing Israel or conceding any inch of historical Palestine,”

 

[basketcase]

And significantly, I see that you just ran from the Golan discussion where Israel offers citizenship to any Arabs who want it.

Guess that doesn't fit your agenda.

 

[fuji]

Actually, I applaud Israel's offer to Golan Arabs but you didn't answer my question why Israel didn't expand it to West Bank palestinians ? Probably because 20 000 Golan Arabs don't represent a demographic threat to the Jewishness of the state ?

You got the answer. Israel doesn't consider the West Bank to be part of Israel. Why would they offer Israeli citizenship to people who aren't even in the country?

 

[nottyboi]

Syria isn't going to get to put artillery in the Golan. It's never going to happen. In the Sinai Israel tried an interesting deal, giving Egypt sovereignty but with a requirement that it be demilitarized.

However, look how that turned out. Terrorists filled the vacuum left by the absence of the Egyptian army.

Only way Golan stays peaceful is if it is controlled by IDF.

That' s just reality.

Pretty much identical to Russian justifications, no wonder they are such buddies.

 

[nottyboi]

You got the answer. Israel doesn't consider the West Bank to be part of Israel. Why would they offer Israeli citizenship to people who aren't even in the country?

Well that is a nice fantasy answer. The real reason is that giving the West Bank Palis Israeli citizenship would open up a pandoras box of litigation that would cost billions and billions in claims. Best wait a few more generations until the claimants and their grandchildren are all dead and then annex it.

 

[nottyboi]

Syria isn't going to get to put artillery in the Golan. It's never going to happen. In the Sinai Israel tried an interesting deal, giving Egypt sovereignty but with a requirement that it be demilitarized.

However, look how that turned out. Terrorists filled the vacuum left by the absence of the Egyptian army.

Only way Golan stays peaceful is if it is controlled by IDF.

That' s just reality.

The artillery argument has been long obsoleted by technology. Its just a land grab.

 

[nottyboi]

Israel already did that. Israel treats the Golan as part of Israel proper, and all its people have been offered citizenship (not all have accepted the offer).

Not all meaning ?? 90% as it turns out. Nice to try and under state that. lol. Funny how you are all cozy with this yet in Crimea over 90% accepted and you are all wound up about Putins "imperialism." lol