music downloads????

shaneen

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I want to download music but everytime I type in free music downloads on search engines I get a list of paid sites??? Is there a way to download music without paying for it? I dont have or want a credit card so I cant use a paid site. Thank in advance :)
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tboy

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Isn't that illegal?????

Heaven forbid we should tell you how to break the law.....*eg*
 

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shaneen said:
I want to download music but everytime I type in free music downloads on search engines I get a list of paid sites??? Is there a way to download music without paying for it? I dont have or want a credit card so I cant use a paid site. Thank in advance :)
xoxo
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Think about it....you're stealing something some of us pay money for because we like it, AND are willing to pay for it...and not steal it! :rolleyes:

When you work...do you work a couple of hours for free, because you want to share your money?
 

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Thanks

;) I appreciate the help.
BTW does anyone know the link for the site where the canadian artists were offering free downloads? I saw it a while back but I did not write it down now I cant find it
xo
 

tboy

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BTW mp3 files CAN contain virus'. In fact, a couple I downloaded from limewire had virus' imbedded in them (or so my viruscan software said).

When you work...do you work a couple of hours for free, because you want to share your money?
When I was a salaried employee in the corporate world I used to work on average about 20 - 30 hrs a week without being paid for it. Now that I am self-employed I probably put in 10 - 20 hrs a week that I'm not paid for.
 
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mclarke61 said:
In Canada, downloading music is NOT illegal. Using P2P software programs such as Limewire to download copyrighted material (such as music) is perfectly legal in Canada. However (strangely enough), allowing others to upload copyrighted material from your computer is illegal. We live in an odd country, don't we????
Not strange at all. It's for the same reason that cops focus their efforts on the drug dealers and NOT the buyers of the product.

Just the same, here's CRIA's take on the issue (Canadian Recording Industry Association):

The Free Music Myth - Background

There is no doubt that the 'free music' mentality is adversely affecting artists and industry alike by devaluing an important component of culture and commerce. The fact is that the music business needs constant investment in order to bring new artists to the public and develop artist careers over the long term. There is also no doubt that downloading and CD-R burning are cutting into sales - the major means by which the majority of artists make a living from music. Live touring has always been a source of income, but it cannot fund an entire career, the expenses of going on the road mean that profits, while healthy in some cases, are in the majority of cases offset by the costs. Even when a new artist is discovered over the internet, unless enough people buy their records, either via a legitimate site or in a physical format, they won't be able to make a living.

Some artists of course do become big stars and with it they gain high financial rewards, but for the industry that has invested in them, those profits are ploughed back into funding new artists.

Consumers have to know that if they want a wide choice and variety of music, that if they want their favourite artists to succeed, they must support them by buying their music.

In this section we try to answer the ten most commonly repeated myths about the recording industry and music online.

Answers to the 'Ten Biggest Myths' about 'Free Music'

Myth: Free music sounds great. What's the problem?

It is a common misconception that accessing so-called 'free music' - by downloading or burning music from the internet without the creator's permission and without paying for it - doesn't really hurt anyone.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Unauthorized uploading or copying is not free at all - it is the musicians and the people who invest in the music who are paying the price. The artists, first and foremost, the labels that have invested in them, the publishers who manage the copyright of their songs and the thousands of people involved in the many different areas of the music industry are all affected. Downloading and burning without permission doesn't fairly reward the efforts of those who create, develop and record music, and who depend on it for their livelihood.

More illegal copying and internet distribution means less sales, and that means less money for companies to invest in artists and music. This affects a whole community of people: the employee at the retail store that faces closure; the aspiring artist who won't get a deal because record companies have less money to invest in new talent; the entrepreneur who's making records with local kids; the act who is trying to survive from selling CDs on the road; and the artist whose first album just failed to sell enough to turn a profit. On top of that, there are the thousands of other people who depend upon music for their income: from the sound engineers and CD factory workers to the band managers and graphic artists. There are also countless music magazines, entrepreneurs trying to set up legitimate online sites, designers, specialist PR people... the list goes on.

Furthermore - copying music without permission is illegal. And just because it doesn't involve organized crime or knock-offs sold on street corners doesn't mean that it isn't taken very seriously

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Myth: These artists are immensely rich anyway, downloading a few tracks for free is not going to hurt them..."

The overwhelming majority of artists are NOT rich. And it's not just a few tracks but virtually everything ever recorded. But the biggest losers are the upcoming artists because not paying for music means much less money to invest in them.

Which means it's the music lover who gets short-changed. Fewer artists get the chance to make their mark, and the labels are less likely to take a risk with more experimental music or niche genres. Consumers of 'free music' may get a short-term benefit, but at the long-term cost of hurting the artists they most admire, and new talent.

People who accuse the music industry of not producing anything new should give some thought to how that impacts on new artists. Think of the bands - and there are many who didn't make it big with their first or second album. Artists and bands need time to flourish, and if their early sales are cannibalized on the internet, they may never get the chance to record the second album.

Myth: Uploading music and buring it without the consent of the creator may be illegal, but isn't the music industry exaggerating the effect on the music sector?

There is overwhelming evidence that unauthorized copying and distribution means less music is sold.

For example, look at the way sales of albums have fallen while internet uploads have soared. During one four-month period of 2002, the number of music files available on pirate sites nearly doubled from 500 million to 900 million. At the same time global music sales in 2002 fell by around 7%. As a result around 250 million fewer albums were sold in 2002 than in 2001.

Uploading and mass copying weren't necessarily the only reason for this decline - but they definitely had a major impact.

In particular, sales of the top-selling artists are declining: in 2001 for the first time in many years no album sold more than ten million copies in the world's largest market, America - a pattern almost repeated in 2002 when only one album - Eminem's The Eminem Show - passed the ten million sales mark. And as sales of the bigger names fall, there are repercussions for the growth and support of new talent.

Perhaps the most worrying development is that the majority of people downloading music from the internet are young music fans, who are also the biggest consumers of music. 41% of young people in Europe who get music 'for free' say they buy less CDs, compared to only 19% who buy more.

A whole new generation of music lovers is damaging the very diversity they look out for in music.

Myth: I've heard artists claim that making their music available to download for free is the best way to get themselves heard, in that way promoting their music and boosting their sales.

We support the use of promotional material made available for free download - but only where the artists and other rights holders have authorized it for this purpose. This must be a choice that they make, not one forced upon them by others.

Making music available on the internet is a really exciting development for artists. The net can be a great tool for new acts who wish to drum up interest in their work.

It isn't true that making music 'free' will always promote the sales of that track or album, however. In fact research shows that downloading and burning is substituting sales significantly more than they are promoting them. Research in markets around the world shows that one third of active file-sharers spend less on music since they started getting it for free.

Most artists are happy for consumers to download their music - when it's legitimate and with their consent. And those who want to disseminate their music for free have the choice to do so.

MP3.com, for example, contains thousands of songs by aspiring artists - although it is a question how many artists, if any, have been able to embark on a career just using the internet. The fact is that most people who go online to download are much more likely to go for known artists - even if new to them - rather than complete unknowns.

It is those who think that they have the right to 'share' music illegally with millions of individuals without having paid for it that are damaging the music industry, and as a consequence are threatening the careers of budding artists before they even begin.

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Myth: The real problem is that the music industry wants to stop the advance of technology

Technology is not the enemy of music - quite the opposite. There has always been a healthy relationship between advances in technology and the music business: from the Edison cylinder, through vinyl, tape, and the CD, to the MP3 file. The impact of digital technology has opened doors for artists and many others involved in music; allowing more experimentation and sophisticated home recording, online real time musical collaborations, webcasts, enhanced sound - and the ability to share all that with a wider global audience.

The music industry will always make use of new technology - for example Super Audio CDs and DVD Audio, as well as the opportunities that new 3G phones bring. Technology is also helping the industry to transfer thousands of tracks in artists' back catalogues into digital format.

But while the methods of recording or distribution might change, what doesn't is that artists and those who work with them depend upon copyright and getting paid for their livelihood.

Myth: There are no legitimate services out there for me to use, so I'm forced to fall back on the illegitimate ones.

A number of legal online services are expected to launch in Canada this fall. Puretracks™, a Canadian service, has already announced a fall launch date.

These sites offer better quality of product and service than illegal alternatives. Many are now offering transfer to portable devices. Potentially, hundreds of thousands of songs will be legally made available at cost-effective prices.

And it's just not good enough to say if I can't get it legally, I'll steal it.

Myth: Piracy on the internet may be a problem, but nothing can be done to stop it.

It is a huge problem, but it has to be stopped and it can be. The recording industry has many ways of stopping illegal downloading and file-sharing; from education programs and the launch of legal alternatives to technological 'blocks' and - where necessary - deterrence through legal action.

The music industry has launched many initiatives to educate consumers and businesses around the world about the consequences of illegal online activity. Many people who enjoy music are simply unaware of the effect their actions have on bands and artists.

Everyone knows that one of the best ways to stop people from using the illegal sites is to provide them with good alternatives. Many companies are investing huge amounts in developing legal alternatives. It takes time because it's hard to compete with free, but it is happening.

We're also seeing the start of new systems used for a better electronic delivery of music on the internet. Digital rights management tools are being used to help track music online, so that everyone who needs to be is paid - all the way down the line. New technology is also being used in ever more sophisticated anti-copy control devices for music, similar to those already used on DVDs and computer software.

But there's more to stopping mass copyright theft than by just investing in new legitimate services. Indeed, those new services are not going to flourish if there isn't a fair space for them to develop without being stifled by online piracy. So those who ignore copyright laws should not expect an easy ride.

Copyright exists to protect the rights of artists, allowing them to determine whether and how copying, distributing, broadcasting and other uses of their works take place. In addition, legislation around the world is being adopted to improve rights and technological protection to help fight piracy in the online world. People who breach copyright have to be prepared to face the appropriate legal penalties, including fines.

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Myth: File sharing and burning is just like home taping, and that never killed the music sector.

File sharing via the internet cannot be likened to copying tapes deck to deck at home. That's like comparing someone physically copying a letter to a printing house churning out hundreds of copies a minute of the same letter - and then making it available to absolutely everyone around the world for free.

CD recordable (CD-R) copying is comparable to a home version of the high-speed mass production of CDs in factories. You could burn as many as 200 albums onto multiple CD-R discs in less time than it takes you to read this web page. It's cheaper too - 20 years ago the first CD manufacturing facility cost US$1bn. Now the same capability is available to home users for less than $150.

The damage this sort of copying causes to music is enormous. But it also presents other dangers to the unwitting consumer. If you use a peer-to-peer service, you open your computer and all the information you've stored in it up to hundreds of strangers - simply at the touch of a button. When you use a file-sharing service you may unwittingly be acting as a 'mass distributor'; as whenever you're online every other user around the world has the ability to access your hard drive. And this could lead to problems with your personal computer, including the transmission of viruses.

Myth: It's the record companies' fault for not getting their artists' tracks online quickly enough

While it is very easy for anyone to upload an MP3 music file onto the net and give it away for nothing, what takes time is to do so in such a way that the online product is tracked through the process, with the artists, publishers, record companies, third party retailers all being paid their share of the price. The systems for doing this have had to be created from scratch and there have been complex negotiations between all the relevant parties in order to get the music licensed for digital sale.

Second, it is not true to say that record companies have not got their music online quickly enough. The music industry is far more advanced than any other in terms of producing its product for digital sale. What is true is that the appearance of the MP3 file format has meant that the music industry has been forced to grapple with issues of theft of intellectual property on the internet far sooner than other industries. Unlike most products where the internet is simply used to help sell the physical product, with music the virtual online copy is practically the same as the physical product.

The speed with which the MP3 music file spread over the internet meant that as the music companies started to digitize their product, set up payment systems and invest in companies, they were already in a situation where they were competing with free. And trying to compete against an over 99% pirate market on the internet is very difficult. Isn't it ridiculous to expect a record company who has to invest a huge amount in its artists to compete with a distributor who is giving music away?

Myth: There's only one answer to piracy - Lower CD Prices

In an ideal world everything would be free. Artists wouldn't need money to buy instruments. Record companies wouldn't invest money in recording. Designers and retailers would donate their time and talent scouts would not have any costs. Best of all, tax wouldn't exist. But let's face it, this is the real world. And legitimate companies who invest in and create music cannot be expected to compete with music taken and given away 'for free'. Whether we like it or not, all businesses have overheads and the business of music is no exception. Huge costs are spent on developing talent, from finding it to recording, producing, promoting, marketing and distributing it.

It is also true that most criticism of CD prices springs from a misunderstanding of how much royalty, distribution, marketing and artist and repertoire development is reflected in the price of every CD that's sold. That's the real costs of a CD - not the cost of the disc itself.

It is another myth that studio executives pocket huge profits on everything they release. Profit in the business is rare - for every ten CDs the record companies put time and money into, generally only one brings a return on the original investment. Meanwhile the recording industry reinvests up to 25% of its turnover in new artists.

Music is still excellent value for money compared with other entertainment products; the 'cost per hour' of consuming music is significantly cheaper than books and other print media, cinema-going and mobile phone use. Buying an album is an investment in music that you will own for life.

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eveytime I have downloaded from limewire

the disk never works in a cd player

so I also have a question can you only use these in a computer
or am I doing something wrong?
 

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mclarke61 said:
In Canada, downloading music is NOT illegal. Using P2P software programs such as Limewire to download copyrighted material (such as music) is perfectly legal in Canada. However (strangely enough), allowing others to upload copyrighted material from your computer is illegal. We live in an odd country, don't we????
In addition, the recording companies are double dipping in that any recordable media sold in Canada has a royalty surtax atatched to the selling price. This tax is collected for compensation for lost revenue by the recording industry. What a country! :mad:
 

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Leggy Linda said:
eveytime I have downloaded from limewire

the disk never works in a cd player

so I also have a question can you only use these in a computer
or am I doing something wrong?
You need to convert from MP3 to AIFF or WAVE file. Nero, Roxio and Toast wuill do that for you when you burn the CD. PM me for details if you want to find out more. {:<)

shakenbake
 

Leggy Linda

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shakenbake said:
You need to convert from MP3 to AIFF or WAVE file. Nero, Roxio and Toast wuill do that for you when you burn the CD. PM me for details if you want to find out more. {:<)

shakenbake
thank you I will
I have another question
can you erase a disk?
 
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