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Movie - Ivan the Terrible: The cruellest Tsar of all!

mandrill

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Perhaps the most insanely and sadistically bloodthirsty ruler in European history is now featured in a big budget motion picture made in Russia. Impalings, floggings, hangings, scourgings and simply having people eaten alive by ravenous bears. Ivan did it all.

http://www.afisha.ru/movie/trailer/194087/
 

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Perhaps the most insanely and sadistically bloodthirsty ruler in European history
The only problem as probably you know Oagre, is that the epithet Grozny applied to Tsar Ivan IV Ива́н Гро́зный​ in Russian means: awe-inspiring, formidable, mighty, powerful, strict. Not: cruel or horrible.

Ivan IV was for all practical purposes the founder of the "modern" Russian State and is still greatly respected for that. At the same time after the death of his first wife (and the great love of his life) Tsarina Anastasia Romanovna he did become increasingly disordered. Then again any of us having lived his life might have become mentaly disordered as well! Including possibly the murder of his eldest surviving son Tsarevich Ivan Ivanovich which precipitated the end of the Rurikid Dynasty and the Time of Troubles in the next generation (although there are still junior branch Rurikid today).

Repin's 1885 painting Ivan the Terrible and His Son Ivan on November 16th, 1581
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RE...ble&Ivan.jpg
 

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The only problem as probably you know Oagre, is that the epithet Grozny applied to Tsar Ivan IV Ива́н Гро́зный​ in Russian means: awe-inspiring, formidable, mighty, powerful, strict. Not: cruel or horrible.

Ivan IV was for all practical purposes the founder of the "modern" Russian State and is still greatly respected for that. At the same time after the death of his first wife (and the great love of his life) Tsarina Anastasia Romanovna he did become increasingly disordered. Then again any of us having lived his life might have become mentaly disordered as well! Including possibly the murder of his eldest surviving son Tsarevich Ivan Ivanovich which precipitated the end of the Rurikid Dynasty and the Time of Troubles in the next generation (although there are still junior branch Rurikid today).

Repin's 1885 painting Ivan the Terrible and His Son Ivan on November 16th, 1581
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RE...ble&Ivan.jpg
Also, if memory serves me, didn't he drown trying to save a peasant? While not a nice guy, he made Russia a world player.
 

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No, he died in Moscow on 18 March 1584, possibly poisoned.
Stalin was also poisoned.

The last Czar and his family were all shot to death. Their killers used 22 calibre bullets and many of the small bullets bounced off the dresses of their daughters. Apparently, one of the daughters survived and they made a movie about her, starring Ingrid Bergman (I think).
 

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The movie trailers seem to quite acurately reflect the tentions the Russian Orthodox Church had with Tsar Ivan IV

Hopefully Tsar Царб will be released in North America.
 

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The movie was really made but the story is pure fiction. The real Anastasia died with the rest of the Russian Royal family.
An interesting article is shortly to be published in Science on the hemophilia that caused so much pain for both the Imperial Family and Russia. In the irony with which history abounds, none of the three oldest Grand Duchesses were carriers while H.I.H. Grand Dutchess Anastasia was a carrier and H.I.H. Tsarevich Alexis had Hemophilia.


I think I've mentioned before that until his death Earl Mountbatten (H.S.H. Prince Louis of Battenberg) kept on his dresser a photograph of his cousin H.I.H. Grand Dutchess Maria taken in 1914, for whom he had a bad crush. Very sad on several levels.
 

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My Collins Russian dictionary translates "grozniy" as ""menacing, threatening, dread terrible, coll. stern, severe". IIRC, he started out as just another harsh Medieval ruler, but then started to become insane. With insanity came paranoia accompanied by sadistic desire for vengeance on large numbers of imaginary enemies.

His major contribution to Russian history was his conquest and near-extermination of the Muslim tartar kingdom on the Upper Volga. This allowed Muscovy/ Russia to break out of its relatively small forest enclave in Eastern Europe and expand into the steppe country to the south-east and then to Siberia.

In terms of his ranking among all-time mass murderers, he has to have considerable respect. The lack of organization and centralization in his epoch, coupled with a far smaller number of people to torture to death makes him a reasonable contender with Stalin. Ivan did impale, burn, hang or feed to the bears a large % of the then Russian population.
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An interesting article is shortly to be published in Science on the hemophilia that caused so much pain for both the Imperial Family and Russia. In the irony with which history abounds, none of the three oldest Grand Duchesses were carriers while H.I.H. Grand Dutchess Anastasia was a carrier and H.I.H. Tsarevich Alexis had Hemophilia.


I think I've mentioned before that until his death Earl Mountbatten (H.S.H. Prince Louis of Battenberg) kept on his dresser a photograph of his cousin H.I.H. Grand Dutchess Maria taken in 1914, for whom he had a bad crush. Very sad on several levels.
Of course, one has to bring up the subject of Rasputin in this context. (See my signature line below.) Aside from having an allegedly immense "willy", Rasputin apparently was able to cure the Tsarevich's haemophilia. Later-day writers have speculated that this was in fact because R forbade the use of drugs on the young prince and insisted that only prayer would cure the boy. Faith-healing, you ask?

Perhaps not, when the drug being used was aspirin, the anti-coagulant qualities of which were not realized at the time. Modern doctors feel that the aspirin prescribed as painkiller for the Tsarevich simply made his internal bleeding all the worse.

The other new theory about Rasputin is that he was killed on British orders and that the coup de grace was given him by a British secret service agent. Actually, quite plausible, given that R had immense influence on the Czaritsa and wished to persuade her to take Russia out of World War 1.
 

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My Collins Russian dictionary translates "grozniy" as ""menacing, threatening, dread terrible, coll. stern, severe".
With respect to Collins, I still think I'll stick with what I wrote as being closer to the meaning in Russian.
With insanity came paranoia accompanied by sadistic desire for vengeance on large numbers of imaginary enemies.
No argument from me on that point.
His major contribution to Russian history was his conquest and near-extermination of the Muslim tartar kingdom on the Upper Volga. This allowed Muscovy/ Russia to break out of its relatively small forest enclave in Eastern Europe and expand into the steppe country to the south-east and then to Siberia.
That was just one of his major contributions. He remains one of the most important figures in Russian History on a par with Grand Duke Vladimir and Emperor Peter I
 

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Of course, one has to bring up the subject of Rasputin in this context. (See my signature line below.) Aside from having an allegedly immense "willy", Rasputin apparently was able to cure the Tsarevich's haemophilia. Later-day writers have speculated that this was in fact because R forbade the use of drugs on the young prince and insisted that only prayer would cure the boy. Faith-healing, you ask?

Perhaps not, when the drug being used was aspirin, the anti-coagulant qualities of which were not realized at the time. Modern doctors feel that the aspirin prescribed as painkiller for the Tsarevich simply made his internal bleeding all the worse.

The other new theory about Rasputin is that he was killed on British orders and that the coup de grace was given him by a British secret service agent. Actually, quite plausible, given that R had immense influence on the Czaritsa and wished to persuade her to take Russia out of World War 1.
Rasputin (which by the way means "the Disolute one" in Russian) obviously had some ability to affect the Tsarevich, this in no way means that I believe he had a religious gift or a supernatural evil power, rather he had an ability to calm the Tsarevich which would have helped to control his bleeding and you may well be right about the aspirin - I'll ask around on that. Many historians believe that it was H.I.H. Grand Duke Dmitry Pavlovich rather than Prince Felix Felixovich Yusupov, Count Sumarokov-Elston who killed Rasputin, for me the argument seems convincing.
 

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Many historians believe that it was H.I.H. Grand Duke Dmitry Pavlovich rather than Prince Felix Felixovich Yusupov, Count Sumarokov-Elston who killed Rasputin, for me the argument seems convincing.
There was a doc on it a while back that said that the headshots came from a British service issue side arm. Not conclusive, of course. IIRC, there was some other evidence as well.
 

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Russians have a love for tyrants. Even to this day.
Quite true of many perhaps the majority of Russians, who have a deep desire for "the man on the white horse." Or in more Russian terms a Tsar and Little Father.

It is one of the things that makes the Russian Revolution so complex. Clearly it was not simply mass disdain for the idea of an autocratic regime. Look at the adulation many still have for Stalin, and the current feeling towards Putin.

Ironically it may well have been more that Tsar Nicholas II was perceived as being weak and vacillating, combined with the pressures of the First World War, than his being seen as an autocrat and tyrant.
 
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