move savings to R.R.S.P. ?

rgkv

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Looking for some opinions here..... My situation is this. I want to try and drop my taxable income but have no cash on hand but I am thinking 'Why not take a few grand out of my savings, buy RRSPs , get the tax break with my own money' ??? I do get to drop my income by buying my own RRSPs, right?
Is this a good move? or is money better kept in savings?
 

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You have the right idea, place it in your RRSP and maximize reducing your taxable income.
 
Unless by savings you mean GICs or similar vehicle, you are probably not earning much interest.
RRSPs are a tax deferral, with the assumption that when you draw onm the funds in retirement you will be doing so at a lowere taxable income level and save on tax, as well as having earned the added interest over the years.
My advice? If you have to ask this question you need a financial advisor. It costs you nothing, as any of the funds you put RRSPs in are loaded on one end or the other anyway, even if you just go to the bank.

Don't put any "savings" in to RRSPs that you will need to get your hands on before retirement. Put it in there to leave it there.
 

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Sparky69 said:
Unless by savings you mean GICs or similar vehicle, you are probably not earning much interest.
RRSPs are a tax deferral, with the assumption that when you draw onm the funds in retirement you will be doing so at a lowere taxable income level and save on tax, as well as having earned the added interest over the years.
My advice? If you have to ask this question you need a financial advisor. It costs you nothing, as any of the funds you put RRSPs in are loaded on one end or the other anyway, even if you just go to the bank.

Don't put any "savings" in to RRSPs that you will need to get your hands on before retirement. Put it in there to leave it there.
Not bad advice, however keep in mind a financial adviser will probably steer you to wards investing in one or more of their mutual funds.
In my opinion mutual funds are the biggest rip off Wall Street / Bay street has ever invented. They have hidden MER fees which make the adviser / mutual fund a ton of $. You get a lack luster return
Unless he can prove his fund has beaten the market over a 5 or 10 year period, you will better off asking about ETFs (exchange traded funds like XIU)
MER of 0.17% vs. the 2.5% for the typical mutual fund
 

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JohnLarue said:
Not bad advice, however keep in mind a financial adviser will probably steer you to wards investing in one or more of their mutual funds.
In my opinion mutual funds are the biggest rip off Wall Street / Bay street has ever invented. They have hidden MER fees which make the adviser / mutual fund a ton of $. You get a lack luster return
Unless he can prove his fund has beaten the market over a 5 or 10 year period, you will better off asking about ETFs (exchange traded funds like XIU)
MER of 0.17% vs. the 2.5% for the typical mutual fund
Low cost ETFs like ones from Vanguard (http://www.vanguard.com ) are quite popular in the US - what's equivalent in Canada?
 

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Try not to put after-tax money that's now in savings into your RRSP to reduce tax. Not unless that's why you saved it in the first place, and if that was true, why would you be asking? Taking money out before you retire is subject to withholding of ten and twenty percent, and at retirement you're penalized if you do anything but buy an annuity to pay out monthly. RRSPs are for retirement.

Although they can act as a short-term tax deferral—"next year I'm taking a sabbatical year off, so I'll set up a short term RRSP"—they work best, as has been said, for long term in and out. Again, they're for retirement.

With a steady income, you should be looking at paying into an RRSP over the year on a regular basis, which will accomplish the same thing: protect that money from bad impulses, and allow you to think of it as before-tax money (it helps). It's called planning for retirement.

Meantime, your savings have already been taxed—or shortly will be. Try to hang onto them as discretionary investment money and emergency funds, some readily available some securely invested for growth/income and some for opportunity.

I'd look at borrowing to pay into the RRSP. If you use your tax refund, to pay off the loan, and get rid of the remaining balance before the year's out, you could very well have an RRSP, and your savings, and still be ahead overall compared to just moving the savings (even if you were virtuous enough to start next year's RRSP w/ your refund). Banks are quite happy to make RRSP loans, especially w/ your savings balance as security. They want you to have pots of money (with them) for your retirement.

But this plan depends on committing to the enforced 'savings' of the fast loan payback. Drag it out and you'll be the loser. Even if you do go for the loan, think: repay+next year=what I can afford. And that brings us right back to: Commit to paying into next year's plan NOW. Think long term, plan to have savings and RRSPs.
 

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Sparky69 said:
If you have to ask this question you need a financial advisor. It costs you nothing, as any of the funds you put RRSPs in are loaded on one end or the other anyway, even if you just go to the bank.
Absolutely untrue. He could invest in cheap indexed ETFs in a self-directed RRSP and not pay any front or back end load.

My advice is find a financial advisor who is "fee based" rather than one who will steer you into whatever fund pays him the highest commission. It may feel like it's more money when you are paying someone an hourly rate, but trust me, it'll be less. Better you know clearly what you are paying.

In terms of your savings you can probably own exactly the same investment inside your RRSP. You may simply be able to open up an RRSP and transfer it "in kind" into the RRSP without buying or selling anything, then get the tax deduction. If you can't you will be able to buy nearly the same thing in an RRSP.

It is a myth that an RRSP always has loads or fees attached to it. An RRSP is simply a type of account within which you can hold practically any investment (excepting things like options and other exotic securities).

As others have sort of pointed out make sure this is not money that you have a need for in the next few years, as you would get slightly penalized if you were to withdraw it from the RRSP before you retire -- they'll claw back the taxes you saved and you will lose the RRSP room for good.
 

rgkv

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First off, Thanks to everyone... lots of things to read and think about here...
rethinking moving savings to RRSPs though, like said it is untaxable readily available cash, probaby a real good idea IN CASE......
 
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