Mi'kmaw fishery in Nova Scotia news coverage

[barnacler]

I was watching global News the last few nights on this issue, and all I can say is, "Whatever happened to Journalism"? Where is the fair-minded discussion of the issue pointing out both sides of the issue at hand?

I was never able to hear from the non-indigenous side what their explanation was, what their point of view is. All the news was occupied with was demonstrations of support for the indigenous side and hearing their explanations. It seems to me that there are various social activists out there that will always take the side of anyone except the white man, and THEY get all the sympathetic coverage.

Law and order is great in this case, not so great when railway blockades are bringing the country to its knees.

I am not taking a side - right now, the news has only presented one side. I would love to hear the other side present it's case. I don't know what it is.

 

[bazokajoe]

I was watching global News the last few nights on this issue, and all I can say is, "Whatever happened to Journalism"? Where is the fair-minded discussion of the issue pointing out both sides of the issue at hand?

I was never able to hear from the non-indigenous side what their explanation was, what their point of view is. All the news was occupied with was demonstrations of support for the indigenous side and hearing their explanations. It seems to me that there are various social activists out there that will always take the side of anyone except the white man, and THEY get all the sympathetic coverage.

Law and order is great in this case, not so great when railway blockades are bringing the country to its knees.

I am not taking a side - right now, the news has only presented one side. I would love to hear the other side present it's case. I don't know what it is.

I don't agree with the violence going on but the natives do have a treaty agreement to fish for lobster out of season. Fair or not.

 

[barnacler]

I don't agree with the violence going on but the natives do have a treaty agreement to fish for lobster out of season. Fair or not.

The news pointed that out. So I want to know the point of view of the non-indegenous fishermen to that very point.

 

[rhuarc29]

The other side of the issue is pretty obvious. They don't want their livelihoods threatened by out-of-season fishing.
This is bound to happen when there are two separate sets of rules for people operating in the same shared space.
I also think it's laughable we're upholding treaty rights from the 1700s. The situation has changed a smidgen.

 

[y2kmark]

The news pointed that out. So I want to know the point of view of the non-indegenous fishermen to that very point.

Easy to figure out. It's about white privilege and about money and throwing violent tantrums when we don't get our way. Vandalism and arson are just so awful when it's BLM, right?

 

[Goodoer]

Balanced reporting is dead. To come close, you have to read everything to try to glean the truth.

Times are changing and Earth isn't big enough. Humans wander and explore and takeover. All cultures will blend together eventually if not the races. The First Nations people have to accept it as the just as much as the descendants of the initial "European" settlers have to accept the ideas of the current newcomers. We have to rally behind the ideal that is Canada and move on together (was Don Cherry was onto something during his Milk & Honey tirade?). We can fight it out amongst ourselves, but eventually we'll be staring at a China or whichever dominant global power is expanding. They won't care about any of us. Canada is an amazing country, but we're small potatoes.

Back to the lobsters... Apparently, the stock is depleting and the "white folk" are demanding a stop to the fishing so the lobsters are not wiped out... True or not? Who knows as our Governments are truly useless and self-serving. This Nova Scotian issue could have been addressed before it got out of hand.

 

[yababy1]

I am not sure what is going on here, last night several band chiefs were on demanding the police jump in and stop the violence against indigenous. I agree the police should, kinda wonder though where were these band chiefs when police were threatened with all out war if they interfered, like Caledonia over the years or railway blockades.
Appears way one sided, protect us and leave us alone depending on the outcome they (indigenous) want

One land, one law, never mind these old treaties, they want it both ways and itis just not fair

 

[Darts]

Back to the lobsters... Apparently, the stock is depleting and the "white folk" are demanding a stop to the fishing so the lobsters are not wiped out... True or not?

So, the lobsters could go the way of the cods?

 

[decoy2673]

The alt-left happened.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

From the non-Indigenous fishermen’s point of view:

1. The lobster stocks are dwindling so the government has placed limits on the lobster-fishing season;

2. The Native fishermen are not bound by these government rules due to a treaty they signed a couple of centuries ago;

3. This angers the non-Native fishermen as they feel it is unfair. They believe that everyone should be working together to protect the lobster stocks, especially the Native community who always claim to be concerned about environmental issues.

4. The non-Native fishermen also think that the Native people’s treaty rights around fishing were meant to protect their traditional way of life and feed their families/village- they would argue that the Native community in 2020 are engaged in large scale commercial fishing just like the non-Native fishermen and this was never the intent of the treaty.

5. The Native fishermen would argue that this issue around their fishing rights has already been litigated through the courts which ruled that Native fishermen are allowed to earn a “moderate income” from fishing and this is exactly what they are doing.

6. The Native community also argues that they represent an infinitesimally small proportion of lobster fishermen and that if the stocks are depleted it is due to over-fishing by the non-Native community in the first place.

I understand the white fishermen’s frustration but the Native people are indeed legally justified in continuing to fish. I would prefer that they stopped doing this voluntarily to help protect the lobster stocks but if they refuse I believe we should respect their decision and if the non-Native fishermen disagree then they should go yell at the government for signing this treaty 300 years ago and stop terrorizing the Native community.

 

[Goodoer]

What’s the solution? Indigenous people fish like they did 300-400 years ago and Non-Indigenous harvest their lobster from tanks? Works for the beef, pork and poultry industries...

 

[Darts]

Good argument for having "sunset clauses" in treaties and all contracts.

 

[IMBob]

Not surprised by the vandalism . It's redneck country . RCMP should have been active early on and not just observing. But natives should have held off exercising their treaty rights this year. Prices are down because transportation to markets are limited due to CoVid. There isn't a shortage of lobster like cod.

 

[yomero5]

Here's an obvious solution:
1. Define 'moderate living' with a numerical quota.

2. Prohibit out-of-season fishing for everyone.

 

[bazokajoe]

Here is what will happen.
Court will uphold treaty.
Natives will over fish then cry foul.
Fed's will give natives huge payouts and non natives will get sweet fuck all.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

Here is what will happen.
Court will uphold treaty.
Natives will over fish then cry foul.
Fed's will give natives huge payouts and non natives will get sweet fuck all.

I think the Feds should intervene aggressively to protect the Native fishermen. Failing to do so is being complicit with the attacks.

Once the violence is under control, the Federal govt should politely ask the Native community to refrain from fishing and see if they can work out some kind of agreement or settlement with the Natives to keep them off the water. It’s not a large number of people- it shouldn’t cost much. Then, if the native fishermen bitch that it’s “not fair” that they don’t get the same deal, the Govt should tell them to go Fuck Themselves and remind them that they should be thankful that they haven’t all been arrested for their acts of terror against the Natives.

 

[curr3n_c1000]

I am not sure what is going on here, last night several band chiefs were on demanding the police jump in and stop the violence against indigenous. I agree the police should, kinda wonder though where were these band chiefs when police were threatened with all out war if they interfered, like Caledonia over the years or railway blockades.
Appears way one sided, protect us and leave us alone depending on the outcome they (indigenous) want

One land, one law, never mind these old treaties, they want it both ways and itis just not fair

Where was he? He was probably trying to take care of his family. That other situation has nothing to do with him.

 

[barnacler]

Well, the point of my post was that the ISSUES are not discussed at all in the media. At least the non-indigenous point of view (from what I have seen) gets ZERO coverage.

Knuckle, your points were the first explanation of the other point of view that I have seen. There was no mention of any of that in the news coverage I saw.

 

[barnacler]

Easy to figure out. It's about white privilege and about money and throwing violent tantrums when we don't get our way. Vandalism and arson are just so awful when it's BLM, right?

Ah! I see. We don't need balanced coverage, you have it all figured out.