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Metrolinx to 'acquire' 25 homes on Pape Avenue in Riverdale for Ontario Line construction

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More than two dozen renters and homeowners on the east side of Pape Avenue in Riverdale have recently learned that they will have to give up their homes – at least temporarily – for the construction of the new Ontario Line.

"I'm heartbroken," Kate Maynard, one of the affected residents, told CTV News Toronto on Wednesday. She has lived on Pape Avenue for more than 30 years.

"I've been a part of this community for a very long time. I love it. My friends, family like it's hard to believe that we won't be able to afford to stay in Riverdale."

While residents knew that upcoming construction would disrupt their neighbourhood, Maynard said officials had repeatedly informed them in previous community meetings that their houses would be spared.

"We have all operated under that premise," she said. "And then about a week and a half ago, we had a letter jammed through our door and saying ‘emergency meeting with Metrolinx,’ and we attended that meeting four days later, and we were told that our houses were being expropriated."


On Wednesday morning, Metrolinx confirmed that it will be "acquiring" 25 homes on Pape between Langley and Riverdale avenues.

The Crown agency has not said exactly when this will occur, although residents who recently received a letter from the agency say that they must vacate their residences by November 2025.

In a statement provided to CP24, Metrolinx said it reached this decision after construction began in the neighbourhood and following "input from our tunnelling contractor now working on this part of the project."

"... we have a more refined understanding of local soil conditions and subsequent impacts to properties that may result from tunnelling for the Ontario Line," Metrolinx said, adding that the affected properties are "vulnerable to potential structural impacts" – mostly minor in nature like cracks in foundations, walls, and doorframes due to "tunnelling activities."

"We are acquiring these properties out of an abundance of caution and to ensure absolute safety for the neighbourhood and its residents," a media spokesperson wrote in an email.

"We only acquire properties that are absolutely necessary, and we always aim to alert property owners and tenants as early as possible when it is determined that the property may be needed."


Metrolinx to 'acquire' 25 homes in Riverdale for Ontario Line construction | CTV News
 

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To a degree they are shooting striaght about the tunneling impacts.

I have a pal recently retired who lives near the current constuction who regularly visits the site as a part of his daily walks.

Area is being built by using pipe piling to way deep, then tunnel out base of pipe wider and pour the widened base with concrete.

Mass of earth over the blob of concrete holds the pipe in place so it can bear load.

You only do this when bedrock is not achievable. And then the overlaying strata might wiggle like jello as you do this work.

And the jello like layer may lay deep below house foundations.

And they are old enough to not have steel reinforcing in their footings so they will likely differntially settle if the substrata moves.
And might even be old enough to be double bricked rather than brink veneer over stick framing.

And double brick when it cranks is no mean feat to try to fix.
 
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They'd better be paying these people a shit load of money. People often have an emotional attachment to their homes and they like having that security knowing they have a place to call home.

I understand that sometimes it's necessary to expropriate homes, but they need to pay a premium to do so.
 
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Buy outs in this situation almost always have a premium over market rate.
That is cheaper to do for aquiring agency than live through months of bills for your side on any arising litigation over that the buy out price was too low.
 

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When I was working in Australia they had a different term for this case.

They called them 'resumptions'.
As in it was originally crown owned and is being returned to being crown owner.
Crown is resuming ownership.
 

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The only way they will get over-market pricing is to hire a good lawyer. If not the city will keep pushing fair market pricing, which is not fair. It doesn't account for all the extra costs involved with moving taking aside the sentimental attachment for many who lived there a long time.
 
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The only way they will get over-market pricing is to hire a good lawyer. If not the city will keep pushing fair market pricing, which is not fair. It doesn't account for all the extra costs involved with moving taking aside the sentimental attachment for many who lived there a long time.
I think it should be 10% above market value plus 100k for every year lived there. That sounds fair to me.
 

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The only way they will get over-market pricing is to hire a good lawyer. If not the city will keep pushing fair market pricing, which is not fair. It doesn't account for all the extra costs involved with moving taking aside the sentimental attachment for many who lived there a long time.
Metrolinx is not a "city" entity, it's a provincial pawn of the part-time developer's sock puppet Premier and full-time cottager.
 

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Metrolinx is not a "city" entity, it's a provincial pawn of the part-time developer's sock puppet Premier and full-time cottager.
Hey yeah - how do they get away with that? They are not actually a government body. How do they have the right to make someone sell??
 

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This sounds like homes that will be in the area of the portal where trains will enter/exit the south end of the underground portion of the line.
But 25 will somehow be affected??
 

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I think it should be 10% above market value plus 100k for every year lived there. That sounds fair to me.
That won't happen as taxpayers foot the bill and that pool of money is already stressed... Contemporary countries have the same 'for the greater good of all' type of law. For example, I believe in the USA, it is called Eminent Domain. You get market value and that is it. (it is criminal if they low-ball). Again, I believe this stops the wealthy from buying strategic spots to seek a ransom from the Government.
 

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Buy outs in this situation almost always have a premium over market rate.
That is cheaper to do for aquiring agency than live through months of bills for your side on any arising litigation over that the buy out price was too low.
Some Government-funded bodies will wait because they're not allowed to pay over market value. School Boards for instance. (Unless that's changed).
 

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The only way they will get over-market pricing is to hire a good lawyer. If not the city will keep pushing fair market pricing, which is not fair. It doesn't account for all the extra costs involved with moving taking aside the sentimental attachment for many who lived there a long time.
Or... The City can start the expropriation process while construction is underway and you can watch the value plummet as your area becomes a construction shit hole... Market value is fair and I do believe you're compensated for the other costs. Pape Avenue will be a good example to see what happens.
 

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The only way they will get over-market pricing is to hire a good lawyer. If not the city will keep pushing fair market pricing, which is not fair. It doesn't account for all the extra costs involved with moving taking aside the sentimental attachment for many who lived there a long time.
Actually, that's not how it works. If the owner disagrees with the offer they have the right to appeal the matter to the Ontario Lands Tribunal.

It would be wise for them to engage the services of a seasoned appraiser who can appear as an expert witness. However, presenting the case at the tribunal is pretty straightforward provided their expert witness is able to defend the higher sales price.

The Chairs who are assigned to these matters tend to be lenient and empathetic to the owners. Additionally, they prefer to mediate a resolution between the parties before presiding over these matters at a scheduled hearing.
 

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Or... The City can start the expropriation process while construction is underway and you can watch the value plummet as your area becomes a construction shit hole... Market value is fair and I do believe you're compensated for the other costs. Pape Avenue will be a good example to see what happens.
True, this could happen or once the job is finished the value increases because of the subway. I believe you are correct, they do cover most costs associated with the purchase of the new property,



Actually, that's not how it works. If the owner disagrees with the offer they have the right to appeal the matter to the Ontario Lands Tribunal.

It would be wise for them to engage the services of a seasoned appraiser who can appear as an expert witness. However, presenting the case at the tribunal is pretty straightforward provided their expert witness is able to defend the higher sales price.

The Chairs who are assigned to these matters tend to be lenient and empathetic to the owners. Additionally, they prefer to mediate a resolution between the parties before presiding over these matters at a scheduled hearing.
Of course, you can dispute it on your own but sometimes having an expert in your corner pays off.
 

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Or... The City can start the expropriation process while construction is underway and you can watch the value plummet as your area becomes a construction shit hole... Market value is fair and I do believe you're compensated for the other costs. Pape Avenue will be a good example to see what happens.
Or .... the "city" has NO legal standing in this wholly provincial expropriation process.
 
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