master pick up artist

The guy is very good indeed, but notice how he towers over all the chicks he picks up. He's also young and in shape. In essence, he's got all the infrastructure to pick up the women.
 
Let's see how he fares with the ladies of Toronto.
 
Plan B said:
The guy is very good indeed, but notice how he towers over all the chicks he picks up. He's also young and in shape. In essence, he's got all the infrastructure to pick up the women.
This is the problem with so much of that pick up artist shit. Watch "Keys to the VIP," the guys are usually models and many are even rich too... Show me some fat ugly fuck or a pimply kid in a warcraft shirt doing it, then we'll be seeing something.
 
I think the guy is a little too overconfident. No girl in her right mind would fall for such a 5 minute ploy. You notice he goes right into asking for their phone number and goes, "So, I'll text message you/call you sometime" 4 minutes later. Barely into any conversation at all.

He barely even talks to them. He goes, "Oh, look at the view, its so serene and beautiful. By the way, whats your phone number, I'll textmessage you/call you sometime and we can have coffee..".

too cheesy.

At one point, he starts kissing a girl on the cheek one too many times, if you look at the girl's face. she's a little annoyed, creeped out and just wants to get rid of him. Sure, he gets numbers. But its not their numbers.

Bottomline: he reeks of desperation in every one of his attempts.
 
3 points here

-would they act the same without the camera on them?
-are they actually going out with him afterwards?
-how many times was he rejected that was edited out?

I am not saying he is not good at what he does, but all we are seeing is a very edited clip.
 
a 1 player said:
3 points here

-would they act the same without the camera on them?
-are they actually going out with him afterwards?
-how many times was he rejected that was edited out?

I am not saying he is not good at what he does, but all we are seeing is a very edited clip.

I thought all three things as well.
 
So, that's how you do it! Now I know why my "Vanna dance?" tactic don't work!
 
Yeah...

a 1 player said:
3 points here

-would they act the same without the camera on them?
-are they actually going out with him afterwards?
-how many times was he rejected that was edited out?

I am not saying he is not good at what he does, but all we are seeing is a very edited clip.

...I would wonder about that....plus...whenever someone talks about "pick up artist"...I always think to myself "would I WANT to be around a woman who'd actually fall for stuff like that?"

"the idea is to kind of give a compliment but kinda diss at the same time. its supposed to throw them off guard (who says that) and then set them up for wanting you approval. head games, that supposedly work?"


Exactly. I just can't imagine actually wanting to spend time with someone who is both so shallow, vain AND insecure that a strangers comment on their appearance would be relevant to them at all.
 
MLAM said:
...I would wonder about that....plus...whenever someone talks about "pick up artist"...I always think to myself "would I WANT to be around a woman who'd actually fall for stuff like that?"

"the idea is to kind of give a compliment but kinda diss at the same time. its supposed to throw them off guard (who says that) and then set them up for wanting you approval. head games, that supposedly work?"


Exactly. I just can't imagine actually wanting to spend time with someone who is both so shallow, vain AND insecure that a strangers comment on their appearance would be relevant to them at all.



So now is not a good time to mention how nice your typing looks?:)





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Crafty editing can make even the most ham-fisted PUA look successful. And when the dude says, "Women like being approached," well, he's obviously never cruised Toronto, has he?

celest said:
the idea is to kind of give a compliment but kinda diss at the same time. its supposed to throw them off guard (who says that) and then set them up for wanting you approval. head games, that supposedly work?
One wouldn't think that modern, intelligent women fall for this sort of thing, but oddly enough it actually does work. The PUA crowd calls it a "neg," short for "negative." It's sort of a backhanded compliment.

The thinking goes that it works because attractive women are used to hearing compliments from guys who want to win their favour. And it's those men that women can decide whether to respond to or not (and they usually don't).

But when the compliment is double-edged, it's essentially the guy saying, "Yea, you're OK but nothing special." That's different from what these women usually hear, which by itself is often reason enough for the women to continue the conversation. It changes the dynamic. Suddenly it's no longer the guy seeking the woman's attention and approval, it's the woman trying to figure out why the guy is not longer seeking her approval.

Many, many women will deny to their dying breath that this sort of stuff doesn't work on them. "How could anyone fall for that? I'm too intelligent/too intuitive/too aware of these games to get sucked in to such a play" is often their silent thought process. But it's precisely these women that get taken in to such things. They guy comes in so under the radar (due to feigned disinterest) that the woman has NO idea she's being played.

Try it for yourself. I think you'll find that you'll be surprised at how well it works.

For the record, I'm not a PUA by any stretch, nor do I have any interest in selling or promoting any of those sorts of materials.
 
Now THAT.....

capncrunch said:
The thinking goes that it works because attractive women are used to hearing compliments from guys who want to win their favour. And it's those men that women can decide whether to respond to or not (and they usually don't).

...is nothing new. Everybody knows that the last thing you tell a beautiful woman is that she is beautiful. She hears it all day and night.

"Tell a pretty woman she is smart and a smart woman she is pretty" is a very old adage.

But all this reverse psychology crap is too much for me. And I still say the sort of woman I'd have any real interest in wouldn't give it more than 3 seconds play. When I think of the sort of woman I would PREFER to date....her reaction would be "and...what exactly makes you think I care what you think?" And before Mr. PUA could answer, she would have already turned her back to him.

Of course...I also prefer the company of the sort of woman who doesn't go to bars...alone or with GF...to be picked up, who is over the age of 30 and who really doesn't consider her looks to be her most important asset...or give them much thought. You know, fat old bags, with lives, careers, a certain level of maturity, and an IQ over 100....
 
Some of these "Master" Pick Up Artists get extremely overconfident (With all these strategies and pick up lines in their head) and their egos become incredibly bloated...

I read a book on a two of the best PUA's that were extremely confident and their egos went out of check - extremely high egos that they actually lost the girl they actually were interested/invested in - a few times - when it came to being in an actual relationship - they didn't know jack shiit. They failed. Its a common strategy for a PUA to brag about how they're amazing when it comes to being in a relationship - but when the girl finds out this isn't true - the whole deal falls apart.
 
If any of you have ever been to London or any other British city you'll notice:

1) There are not a lot of good looking ppl there (relative to Toronto)
2) This guy is above average in the looks department
3) Women in UK and rest of Europe are open to guys approaching them and are very friendly. Case in point - my buddy and I were at a club in London and we were just chilling having a beer and 2 good looking european girls approached us (we sat and saw how every guy approached them and get rejected and they saw us laughing and saw how we ignored them - p.s. we're just average looking guys)
4) He's only shown the success stories - how many girls did he try that line on...that was probably shot over 3-4 days...lol

This would never fly in the GTA. Way too much attitude here.
 
The guy is smooth and confident and that’s pretty much all a guy needs. Good looks, well dressed and presentable helps but it’s not a deal breaker. Truth is that women are not into looks as much as a guy is.

The comments that this wouldn’t work in Toronto is bs. Women are women everywhere. The fact that a Torontonian might have more success in London is because you’re not from around there and he has an accent which adds to the intrigue.

Check out the dating wizard. He offeres seminars in picking up women.
 
Terminator2000 said:
I read a book on a two of the best PUA's that were extremely confident and their egos went out of check - extremely high egos that they actually lost the girl they actually were interested/invested in - a few times - when it came to being in an actual relationship - they didn't know jack shiit. They failed. Its a common strategy for a PUA to brag about how they're amazing when it comes to being in a relationship - but when the girl finds out this isn't true - the whole deal falls apart.
Terminator has it bang on. I'm not sure which book he's referring to, but The Game by Neil Strauss is a perfect example of this.

From the article:
Strauss describes a world that dehumanizes not only the women but the men; a world in which many of the men are social robots, unable or uninterested in any activity beyond seducing an endless number of sex objects; a world without the friendship of women. Soon enough, this insular world consumes itself in arguments over women, over money, and over status. Some fail to escape, or fall into depression; others look to fill the holes in their life with religion; and Neil Strauss gets himself a girlfriend.
Cautionary tale indeed.
 
Hmmmm....

"Strauss describes a world that dehumanizes not only the women but the men; a world in which many of the men are social robots, unable or uninterested in any activity beyond seducing an endless number of sex objects; a world without the friendship of women. Soon enough, this insular world consumes itself in arguments over women, over money, and over status. Some fail to escape, or fall into depression..."


...nope. Doesn't sound like anyone here.
 
bob_sapp said:
This is the problem with so much of that pick up artist shit. Watch "Keys to the VIP," the guys are usually models and many are even rich too... Show me some fat ugly fuck or a pimply kid in a warcraft shirt doing it, then we'll be seeing something.

Then check out The Pick Up Artist

Watch the first episode of both seasons and see what these guys first looked like. Then see what they transformed themselves into.

So in essence, yes, the geek in the warcraft shirt wont get the girl. But the geek that ditches the shirt, gets a wardrobe, a nice hairstyle, will get the girl, provided he also learns the way. It all takes willingness, work, and lots of guts.