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Making 120 k a year and going broke - one man's tale who should have known better

james t kirk

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If there was anybody who should have avoided the mortgage catastrophe, it was I. As an economics reporter for The New York Times, I have been the paper’s chief eyes and ears on the Federal Reserve for the past six years. I watched Alan Greenspan and his successor, Ben S. Bernanke, at close range. I wrote several early-warning articles in 2004 about the spike in go-go mortgages. Before that, I had a hand in covering the Asian financial crisis of 1997, the Russia meltdown in 1998 and the dot-com collapse in 2000. I know a lot about the curveballs that the economy can throw at us.


But in 2004, I joined millions of otherwise-sane Americans in what we now know was a catastrophic binge on overpriced real estate and reckless mortgages. Nobody duped or hypnotized me. Like so many others — borrowers, lenders and the Wall Street dealmakers behind them — I just thought I could beat the odds. We all had our reasons. The brokers and dealmakers were scoring huge commissions. Ordinary homebuyers were stretching to get into first houses, or bigger houses, or better neighborhoods. Some were greedy, some were desperate and some were deceived.

As for me, I had two utterly compelling reasons for taking the plunge: the money was there, and I was in love. It was August 2004, just as the mortgage party was getting really good. I was 48 years old and eager to start a new chapter in my life with Patricia Barreiro, who was then my fiancée.

Patty was brainy, regal, sexy, fiery and eclectic. She was one of my closest friends when we were both students at an American high school in Argentina. Back then, we would talk together about politics and books at a coffee shop every day after school. We were not romantic in those days and went our separate ways after high school. But each of us would go through bruising two-decade-long marriages, and we felt that sweet spark of remembrance and renewal upon meeting again in middle age.

After a one-year bicoastal courtship, Patty was about to move from her home in Los Angeles to Washington. We would need a home with enough space for her two youngest children, as well as for my own teenage boys on the weekends. I had assumed we would start by renting a house or an apartment, but it quickly became clear that it was almost easier to borrow a half-million dollars and buy something.

Patty discovered a small but stately brick home in a leafy, kid-filled neighborhood in Silver Spring, Md. We sent in an offer of $460,000 and one day later got our answer: the sellers accepted. I felt both amazed and exhilarated, convinced that the stars had aligned for us. I loved the house as soon as I saw it. It was one block from a school and a park. My boys would be within a 15-minute drive, and it would be easy for them to come over and stay whenever they wanted.

The only problem was money. Having separated from my wife of 21 years, who had physical custody of our sons, I was handing over $4,000 a month in alimony and child-support payments. That left me with take-home pay of $2,777, barely enough to make ends meet in a one-bedroom rental apartment. Patty had yet to even look for a job. At any other time in history, the idea of someone like me borrowing more than $400,000 would have seemed insane.

But this was unlike any other time in history. My real estate agent gave me the number of Bob Andrews, a loan officer at American Home Mortgage Corporation. Bob wasn’t related to me, and I had never heard of his company. “Bob can be very helpful,” my agent explained. “He specializes in unusual situations.”

Bob returned my call right away. “How big a mortgage do you think you’ll need?” he asked.

“My situation is a little complicated,” I warned. I told him about my child support and alimony payments and said I was banking on Patty to earn enough money to keep us afloat. Bob cut me off. “I specialize in challenges,” he said confidently.

As I quickly found out, American Home Mortgage had become one of the fastest-growing mortgage lenders in the country. One of its specialties was serving people just like me: borrowers with good credit scores who wanted to stretch their finances far beyond what our incomes could justify. In industry jargon, we were “Alt-A” customers, and we usually paid slightly higher rates for the privilege of concealing our financial weaknesses.


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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/17/magazine/17foreclosure-t.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&ref=business
 

james t kirk

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Fascinating read as to the entire mortgage melt down in the US.

Interesting how they were willing to give a guy a huge mortgage who on paper looked good, but in reality (due to support payments) was really only taking home 2 grand a month. They didn't even check him out in terms of his financial obligations, debt, etc. Just here you go - here's a half a million bucks.

Mind you, sounds like she was out of control spending money they didn't have. Racking up those credit card bills not even on the house, but on lifestyle and he's trying to save 50 cents by taking the later bus.
 

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Stupid-living-above-their-means-idiots.

To be honest -I do not feel one ounce of sympathy for any of these people. When I bought my home, I saved (for almost ten years) the 25% downpayment, made my payments and paid it all off in less than 10 years. It's called -hard work. I had to be more frugal on some points but in the end it all paid off.
 

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I think if I got hit with an alimony/support payment like that I would just leave the country and start fresh. Why anyone gets married and has children in North America is beyond me!!!
 

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He got what he deserved and the punishment isn't over yet!! :rolleyes:

That's the price to pay for greed.
 

james t kirk

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nottyboi said:
I think if I got hit with an alimony/support payment like that I would just leave the country and start fresh. Why anyone gets married and has children in North America is beyond me!!!
Agreed,

He is clearing 6,200 a month or so, but paying out 4,000 in support to his ex.

Therein lies the problem.

If he didn't have the support payments to make, he'd be fine. (On a salary of 120k a year, you can carry a mortgage of 360 to 400k.

Problem is - he's living a 120k lifestyle on an income of 40k. The lenders didn't even check out his debts, or the fact that he had to make these support payments. Everything was hinged upon the value of the property going up year after year and being able to refinance.

Even if the support payments can be deducted from your income tax (don't know about the laws there), you're still facing a hard time.

It's interesting that throughout the article, he never once mentioned not paying his ex (maybe his cheque was being garnished).

I have a friend who was paying support to his ex. wife for 2 kids. (He never stopped bitching about it.) Finally, he sought and got a 50 50 child sharing arrangement and the support payments were reduced to 0. That seemed like a lot better of a deal to me, though now he has to look after his own 2 kids half the time instead of every other weekend.
 

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Some people have just got no common sense (they guy has some intelligence - he did hold down a good and well paid job) and people want to live more than they can afford.
Intelligent has NOTHING to do with common sense. There are many smart men and women who excel their professions, ex financial industries but making routine stupid financial decisions. They think b/c they earn decent money right now, they are entitled to live large and throw common sense like save for the rainy days out of the window.

nip said:
I saw one of those TV programs today with that Gail Val Oxlade or whatever she is called...she showed this dumbass blonde and her postman husband with a household income of $50k gross....she wanted to live like a queen with all designer stuff, top of the range Mercedes, holidays, nice house, this and that...all on loans...
Wonder why it's prudent to be single and only spend on your favourite SP/MPAs. GFE type or whatever :rolleyes:? I would not be surprised the cost of "addiction" to spend on SP/MPAs is less than the debts accumulated by your dumb SO and your wanton spending throughout the years!!

BTW, as Gail Val Oxlade loves to say....."Save like a pessimist and spend like an optimist". Personally, it's better to save like in depression and try to spend like a prudent pessismist.

And just say no to pretty face/hot looking "bullies"
 

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People living well beyond their means created this mess

WoodPeker, though puts it all down to the evil & conniving "Banksters" as he calls them.
He must have someone to blame for every single issue

Yes the bankers were way too loose with the loans, however if you sign up for a massive mortgage & can not carry it its all down to you
 

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JohnLarue said:
WoodPeker, though puts it all down to the evil & conniving "Banksters" as he calls them.
He must have someone to blame for every single issue
He's a looney lefty liberal. That's what they do. Personal accountability is a Republican thing apparently. Besides Obama the messiah will save them.
 

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An incredibly misleading story, it starts with a misleading title and moves it's away along.

Real title should be: Living Beyond Your Means Will Fuck Your in the End.

Is he making 120k? Technically yes. Reality, if his take home is $6777, he is only taking home 81k - 33% tax rate. So right away, net after paying for his previous life, this guy is taking home less than 35k a year. 40% rule says he can afford about $1100 a month including taxes. Basically, he can't afford a $150,000 condo in Toronto, let alone a nice brick house in the country with a $400,000 mortgage.

This story tells all about the lack of personal responsilbity in the US (and often in Canada). If you can't afford it, you can't afford it. All the bullshit tricks in the world won't help you. They will fuck you in the end.

He did it to himself, other people helped to load the gun an explained how to point it at his own head, but in the end, only one idiot pulled the trigger.
 

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Household income $200,000 - and living in a 2 bedroom rented apartment.

How is that Possible? I know a guy shacking up with his GF, and they make a combined income of $200,000. He makes $120,000 and she makes $80,000.
They live on the second floor of a duplex owned by my buddy. How is it that they make $200k a year and they have to rent?
They are both cops that take every little bit of overtime they can get. They do not wash their own clothes, they do not make their own food, they do not clean their own apartment. All the food they eat is take out food. They drive the newest cars. Thats why they hve to ask my buddy to hold off cashing the rent check sometimes.
 

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Very interersting story. What I take from it is that NYTimes writers do not necessarily know very much about what they write.
 

james t kirk

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Doctor Zoidburg said:
How is that Possible? I know a guy shacking up with his GF, and they make a combined income of $200,000. He makes $120,000 and she makes $80,000.
They live on the second floor of a duplex owned by my buddy. How is it that they make $200k a year and they have to rent?
They are both cops that take every little bit of overtime they can get. They do not wash their own clothes, they do not make their own food, they do not clean their own apartment. All the food they eat is take out food. They drive the newest cars. Thats why they hve to ask my buddy to hold off cashing the rent check sometimes.
You never know the demands that they have on their money.

I know this...

I'm like a cash redistribution centre. I get paid - I pay a whack of bills and it's like throwing my money into the mouth of a snow blower.

I don't consider myself living an extravagent lifestyle by any means.
 

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JohnLarue said:
People living well beyond their means created this mess.

Yes the bankers were way too loose with the loans, however if you sign up for a massive mortgage & can not carry it its all down to you
I don't agree. If the bank will lend me half a million dollars, let me spend it and live the high life, toss the keys at the bank, and say fuck it. Why not?

Many many people have no financial discipline. If you have minimal savings, what is the real consequence? If you can't balance your budget without the banks help, and the bank wants to give you tons of money, why disappoint the nice money lenders?

I'm not really saying that I would trade my customary financial discipline for uncertainty, but many people never have certainty. Some people live life on a roller coaster. If someone wants to give them a bigger roller coaster ride, why would I expect such a person to say no?

People are people. If you give them free money, they will spend it. It is the money lenders job to assess credit risk. Giving "Free money for roller coaster riders" is a crazy business plan.
 

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hinz said:
He got what he deserved and the punishment isn't over yet!! :rolleyes:

That's the price to pay for greed.

This is a very hard attitude, and most days I agree with you.

But we live in a world where it's very difficult to know where you cross over from "living within your means" to greed. I could argue that every CAW autoworker who is not self-sufficient by age 50 and is now facing hardship, did not live within their means. Were they greedy? Not sure, but they had unrealistic expectations of a job and pension for life. And they had many years of missed opportunities of good income to sock away savings. Welcome to reality.

And everyday Scotiabank is telling me "You're richer than you think". What bullshit!

Its hard to live a life outside of today's expectations, but I think we will have to adapt and find a way to live with less.
 

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rama putri said:
He's a looney lefty liberal. That's what they do. Personal accountability is a Republican thing apparently. Besides Obama the messiah will save them.
If personal accountability was a Republican thing then they wouldn't all be cowering behind their lawyers over the torture issue. Exactly where does that buck stop?
 

james t kirk

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As they say, most of us are two cheques from homeless.

The guy also said he had a 401k, but was convinced not to touch it.

If I found myself between a rock and a hard place, I'd raid my RRSP. No doubt about it. The last place you want to be is kicked out of your house.
 

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james t kirk said:
As they say, most of us are two cheques from homeless.

The guy also said he had a 401k, but was convinced not to touch it.

If I found myself between a rock and a hard place, I'd raid my RRSP. No doubt about it. The last place you want to be is kicked out of your house.
Ha ha ha.

I see he says in his article his mortgage lender cratered and the loan is now being serviced by JP Morgan. He's called them a couple of times to discuss the situation but since each of their special loans reps has 500 files his hasn't come up yet.

So he hasn't made a mortgage payment for eight months since he went into default.

Wonder if he's been putting aside the funds he would have used for mortgage in the interim or simply spending it all as if there was no mortgage.

It's also instructive to note that while he was scrimping every cent by bagging lunches and waiting five minutes at the Metro until the fare dropped 50 cents to off peak rates his spouse was blithely spending up a storm at the GAP, buying $5 coffees at Starbucks, organic juices etc.

These folks are in their late 40's, not young twenty somethings, and they didn't have the "here's how much we make, here's how much we spend" discussion before they got hitched?

I'm happily single and given how central money issues are I can understand why the "Till Debt Do Us Part" lady says finance is behind half of marriage breakdowns.
 

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rafterman said:
It's also instructive to note that while he was scrimping every cent by bagging lunches and waiting five minutes at the Metro until the fare dropped 50 cents to off peak rates his spouse was blithely spending up a storm at the GAP, buying $5 coffees at Starbucks, organic juices etc.

These folks are in their late 40's, not young twenty somethings, and they didn't have the "here's how much we make, here's how much we spend" discussion before they got hitched?

I'm happily single and given how central money issues are I can understand why the "Till Debt Do Us Part" lady says finance is behind half of marriage breakdowns.
That's why when I lived with someone in the past, we had our OWN accounts.

We had one joint account which the mortgage, taxes, utilities, insurance, and groceries came out of. Each month we received a statement from RBC. If that month the expenses were 4 grand, we each deposited 2 grand into the account the following month, PLUS 250.00 each to generate some savings.

Individual wants and desires - clothes, cars, gasoline for said cars, car insurance, car maintenance, gifts, meals out, trips, recreation, it was up to the person to cover their own costs. My lifestyle was my problem, hers was her problem. (She was actually far cheaper than me.)

We NEVER fought about money in 5 years. (Till the bitter end - then we fought about money.)

It seemed like a good way to go and it worked very well.
 
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