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MAGA Republicans who claim to be better than DEI hires cannot even spell simple English words

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These clowns are now incharge. lmfao.
OMG, they missed a typo! You are so right. Let's dismiss their entire argument.

DEI for military pilots. Hell, civilian pilots too. They may crash the plane, but they'll win the spelling bee!
 
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OMG, they missed a typo! You are so right. Let's dismiss their entire argument.

DEI for military pilots. Hell, civilian pilots too. They may crash the plane, but they'll win the spelling bee!
So far no one has crashed a plane due to their race, gender and sexual orientation either in the military or in the civilian space.
So let's dismiss their entire argument for that reason.
 

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So far no one has crashed a plane due to their race, gender and sexual orientation either in the military or in the civilian space.
No, but lots of planes have crashed due to incompetence. If you lower the standard for anyone, you are hiring someone less competent.
 
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These clowns are now incharge. lmfao.
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We don’t have to do DEI for the sake of DEI ok. We don’t. We dont live in an elementary school story book. The best get the job. None of this garbage of “oh but but they never crashed a plane and profits are up”. God damn it this is exactly why Trump got elected. You could’ve avoided all this high blood pressure that you have with Trump if liberals didn’t push the line on stuff the majority of the population doesn’t want or care about. Haven’t you learned anything.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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The best get the job.
You are being naive.
The best don't always get the job.
The higher you go up in your career the more it depends on who you know and what connections you have. Networking.
That is the issue that is being fixed with DEI initiatives.
Most of America's corporate culture is a "good ole boys club".
You could be the most talented, minority person, but there is a glass ceiling one is often unable to break through.
Hence DEI.
DEI ensures that the best qualified minorities, are chosen for jobs that they would have otherwise not been able to get, because the people currently employed exhibited subconscious bias.
You cannot thought police people especially when they are not actually looking to discriminate but are subconsciously doing so.
So you need DEI to bring structure.
You want to ensure that people of different backgrounds are represented.
This does not mean people are chosen just for their skin colour but for their skills.
Having said that, there are "good ole boys clubs" today, where they infact do just that.
They will create a role or two just for show, and appoint people of colour in inconsequential roles and use that as a PR initiative. Internally nothing much would have changed.
This I agree is bad.
But there are organizations where they do this earnestly and research has proven that it actually results in higher revenues.
Fortunately I have seen more of the latter than the former.
Therefore, if anything the push should be for more DEI, with refined processes so that it is not just for show and we ensure that the talented best performing minorities get opportunities that might otherwise be difficult for them.
 
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You are being naive.
The best don't always get the job.
The higher you go up in your career the more it depends on who you know and what connections you have. Networking.
That is the issue that is being fixed with DEI initiatives.
Most of America's corporate culture is a "good ole boys club".
You could be the most talented, minority person, but there is a glass ceiling one is often unable to break through.
Hence DEI.
DEI ensures that the best qualified minorities, are chosen for jobs that they would have otherwise not been able to get, because the people currently employed exhibited subconscious bias.
You cannot thought police people especially when they are not actually looking to discriminate but are subconsciously doing so.
So you need DEI to bring structure.
You want to ensure that people of different backgrounds are represented.
This does not mean people are chosen just for their skin colour but for their skills.
Having said that, there are "good ole boys clubs" today, where they infact do just that.
They will create a role or two just for show, and appoint people of colour in inconsequential roles and use that as a PR initiative. Internally nothing much would have changed.
This I agree is bad.
But there are organizations where they do this earnestly and research has proven that it actually results in higher revenues.
Fortunately I have seen more of the latter than the former.
Therefore, if anything the push should be for more DEI, with refined processes so that it is not just for show and we ensure that the talented best performing minorities get opportunities that might otherwise be difficult for them.
I get it but nepotism is just done and expected. For sure in higher levels it’s used but people still need to have the ability to do the job. In entry, it’s used to give your friends son a job even as long as he meets minimal requirements. This is human and it’s been done since humans started cooperating togather for common goals. Also, nepotism only happens in a portion of jobs. Everything else should just go to the most qualified person.

DEI is a means to force people to do something that they may or may not want with the roles they want to hire for. It really rubs people the wrong way and this is why Trump is removing DEI in federal institutions. I’ve been in companies where people ridicule the minority hire behind their back because they assume they got the job because of DEI. This isn’t fair to the minority. You remove DEI mandates and you don’t have this problem. Don’t enforce things that causes friction in how humanity evolved to do things. DEI at the end of the day just adds to racism, contempt, and resentment.
 
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I get it but nepotism is just done and expected. For sure in higher levels it’s used but people still need to have the ability to do the job. In entry, it’s used to give your friends son a job even as long as he meets minimal requirements. This is human and it’s been done since humans started cooperating togather for common goals. Also, nepotism only happens in a portion of jobs. Everything else should just go to the most qualified person.

DEI is a means to force people to do something that they may or may not want with the roles they want to hire for. It really rubs people the wrong way and this is why Trump is removing DEI in federal institutions. I’ve been in companies where people ridicule the minority hire behind their back because they assume they got the job because of DEI. This isn’t fair to the minority. You remove DEI mandates and you don’t have this problem. Don’t enforce things that causes friction in how humanity evolved to do things. DEI at the end of the day just adds to racism, contempt, and resentment.
No it is not nepotism.
Nepotism is an issue, but it is different.
Ivanka and Jared getting a position in the administration last time around, was nepotism.
What we are talking about here is totally unrelated people exhibiting subconscious bias based on race, gender etc.,
This is where DEI helps.
DEI is not about forcing people to do jobs they dont want to do. (not sure where you got that notion).
DEI is about removing the impact of subconscious bias.
The rest of your comment on DEI "rubbing people the wrong way" or "people commenting behind people's back that a minority got a job because of DEI", etc is just good old racism.
It has always existed.
Yes without DEI those problems won't exist because those minorities wouldn't exist in those jobs anyway because talented as they may be, they will now probably be passed over for a caucasian male.
This is why DEI is needed.
 

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DEI is not about forcing people to do jobs they dont want to do. (not sure where you got that notion).
I didn’t say that and if I accidently worded it incorrectly, that’s my fault. I meant that the hiring manager may or may not want to hire based on DEI. It causes friction in that case.

It may not be a problem in some companies or places like San Francisco, but it doesn’t work in broader society.
 
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I meant that the hiring manager may or may not want to hire based on DEI. It causes friction in that case.
That is exactly why we need DEI.
That they may not want a certain race or gender of a person.
Here you need to prioritize the talented minority person you are hiring, than the hiring manager's biases.
A better option would be to thought police the hiring manager and remove them but sadly we cannot read minds.
So we come up with structured policies that mitigate such human errors via programs such as DEI.
 

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That is exactly why we need DEI.
That they may not want a certain race or gender of a person.
Here you need to prioritize the talented minority person you are hiring, than the hiring manager's biases.
A better option would be to thought police the hiring manager and remove them but sadly we cannot read minds.
So we come up with structured policies that mitigate such human errors via programs such as DEI.
Karl Marx would be proud...
 
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Great.
Better Karl Marx than Adolf Hitler who'd be proud of MAGA. Lmao.
Comparison: Hitler vs. Marx

1. Direct Responsibility:
• Hitler: Personally responsible for leading policies causing 25–30 million deaths.
• Marx: No direct involvement in governance or violence.

2. Indirect Responsibility:
• Hitler: Up to 70–85 million deaths during WWII.
• Marx: Ideologically linked to 70–100 million deaths under communist regimes.
 
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• Marx: Ideologically linked to 70–100 million deaths under communist regimes.
Those regimes used Marxism in name to implement their own ideologies namely Stalinism and Maoism etc.,
Not sure if Marx should be tarnished for those twisted versions of communism practiced by regimes.
Also Capitalism as an ideology has probably killed more.
 

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Those regimes used Marxism in name to implement their own ideologies namely Stalinism and Maoism etc.,
Not sure if Marx should be tarnished for those twisted versions of communism practiced by regimes.
Also Capitalism as an ideology has probably killed more.
Marx was brilliant but a complete weirdo who didn’t get along with people. His form of communism was based on a revolution of the lower class. The guys teaching were no good and not practical.
 
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