Loudmouth NDP MP Apologices to RackNine

train

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Loose cannon loudmouth MP Pat Martin issued an apology yesterday which I thought you would all want to hear about in case the Star buried the story.

His direct quote is
I know that the statements i made insinuating Mr Meir's and RackNines's participation in an electorial fraud conspiracy were wholly and unequivocally false
Martin took no questions from the media following his statement. This is Martin's second apology. In March he apologized to an Ontario company Responsive Marketing. While the apologies are no doubt a lame attempt to reduce damages in a $5 million defamation suit at leastr they were made. This is more than I can say for many posters here who made just as outlandish and false claims over this issue, and in many cases continue to do so thinking that actually waiting for all the facts is unecessary behind the anonymity of their keyboards, brave little soldiers that they are. :D
 

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Loose cannon loudmouth MP Pat Martin issued an apology yesterday which I thought you would all want to hear about in case the Star buried the story.

His direct quote is


Martin took no questions from the media following his statement. This is Martin's second apology. In March he apologized to an Ontario company Responsive Marketing. While the apologies are no doubt a lame attempt to reduce damages in a $5 million defamation suit at leastr they were made. This is more than I can say for many posters here who made just as outlandish and false claims over this issue, and in many cases continue to do so thinking that actually waiting for all the facts is unecessary behind the anonymity of their keyboards, brave little soldiers that they are. :D
Where did they bury it, page 3? Where did the other papers carry it? He does put his foot in it sometimes, but he does apologize when proven wrong, unlike the car salesman DelMastro.

Most members didn't mention companies by name, more so the collective.

The more full apology is a s follows;


"I singled out a private individual, Mr. Matt Meier, along with his business RackNine Inc. and I wrongfully accused them of being part of a conspiracy to commit electoral fraud," he said.

"I now know that the statements I made insinuating Mr. Meier’s and RackNine’s participation in an electoral fraud conspiracy were wholly and unequivocally false.... To my knowledge, neither Mr. Meier, nor RackNine, including any employees of RackNine, has ever been investigated for involvement in electoral fraud in the 2011 general election or otherwise."

"Racknine was merely an innocent intermediary, not a participant, in electoral fraud," Martin said Monday, adding that he was authorized by the NDP to apologize for similar damage publications on the party's website may have caused.


A little different as a whole than your selective edit.
 

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Where did they bury it, page 3? Where did the other papers carry it? He does put his foot in it sometimes, but he does apologize when proven wrong, unlike the car salesman DelMastro.
I don't read the Star , perhaps they didn't even carry the story. I suspect the only reason he apologized was because of the lawsuit and the fact that he was admittedly totally wrong. Mulcair probably ordered him to do it because he has refused to admit he was wrong in the past.
 

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I don't read the Star , perhaps they didn't even carry the story. I suspect the only reason he apologized was because of the lawsuit and the fact that he was admittedly totally wrong. Mulcair probably ordered him to do it because he has refused to admit he was wrong in the past.
Really?

Most of the major news media carried it, including the STAR.

http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&output=....,cf.osb&fp=a0b0e020f3d5101c&biw=1177&bih=695

I wonder if the fringe, that CM loves so much, did.
 

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You don't think that Mulcair had something to do with this as leader? I guess I'm giving him more credit than you are.
 

blackrock13

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You don't think that Mulcair had something to do with this as leader? I guess I'm giving him more credit than you are.
Of course he was involved in the decision, he's the leader, but I don't know to what extent. You then bring in the lawsuits in to the mix based on nothing.

This kind of action is much better than the Harper bunch hanging on to the denial of the F-35 and fishing trip fiascos
 

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apparently racknine isn't dropping the suit with the apology.
I wonder where their legal fund is coming from....
and if there is any chance of this hitting court before the elections canada investigation is complete.
 

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I don't read the Star , perhaps they didn't even carry the story. I suspect the only reason he apologized was because of the lawsuit and the fact that he was admittedly totally wrong. Mulcair probably ordered him to do it because he has refused to admit he was wrong in the past.
But you're quite prepared to accuse the paper you don't read of burying the story.
train said:
Loose cannon loudmouth MP Pat Martin issued an apology yesterday which I thought you would all want to hear about in case the Star buried the story.
You train, are as guilty as anyone of shooting your keyboard off to pre-judge [See also: 'prejudice'] without evidence. Nice of you to point out that Martin apologized for his rash statements. I'll try to do the same service for you, if you ever provide the opportunity.
 

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apparently racknine isn't dropping the suit with the apology.
I wonder where their legal fund is coming from....
and if there is any chance of this hitting court before the elections canada investigation is complete.

Good.
 

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But you're quite prepared to accuse the paper you don't read of burying the story.You train, are as guilty as anyone of shooting your keyboard off to pre-judge [See also: 'prejudice'] without evidence. Nice of you to point out that Martin apologized for his rash statements. I'll try to do the same service for you, if you ever provide the opportunity.
i think train just got derailed...lol...
 

groggy

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Why on earth should they?

What does that matter, are you implying that the strength of their case changes dependant upon whom is paying the lawyer's fees?
I would suggest that racknine would probably not have the resources themselves to carry such a suit, that they might need backing.
What could be interesting is if they continue with the case and it doesn't get to court before elections canada releases their report.
The latest stories in the Post are saying that Elections Canada has narrowed down the suspects to those who had access to the conservatives CIMS database, and are in Ottawa accessing their computers. The Post suggests that they've found that the conservatives have wiped out the access records for Chris Rougier, an Ottawa conservative and member of the war room.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/04/16/robocalls-probe-reaches-tory-headquarters/

That article makes it look more likely that both the Harper and Racknine were involved together. That could make racknine's suit problematic when they hit court.
 

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That article makes it look more likely that both the Harper and Racknine were involved together. That could make racknine's suit problematic when they hit court.
If there is a court ruling. That a group of bureaucrats (who probably are not Conservative Party supporters) say "in our opinion" holds no water.


I would suggest that racknine would probably not have the resources themselves to carry such a suit
Two possible answers: Pro Bono, Contingency Fee
 

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apparently racknine isn't dropping the suit with the apology.
Why would they?

The suit itself is free advertising.

I actually like that MP-- He's tough, but when he's wrong hell admit it. That's pretty much the exact opposite of fake tough guy Conservatives who never admit that they're wrong and threaten to call the cops and sue at the drop of a hat. (Or who actually call the cops and sue people.) If anything, it's fair to say Racknine does a disproportionate amount of Conservative work, and that if you can conduct the business of political advertising with nothing more than burner cell phones it begs some serious questions.

This is all a distraction anyway: a) The right hates Pat Martin precisely because he is tough and is bad for their narrative branding, and b) This is being leveraged by the right to muddy the waters on what was quite probably illegal (and absolutely amoral) voter suppression and misdirection that was committed by the Conservatives.
 

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I agree the Pat Martin case is there to just try to stifle debate.

But now that the nationals have all put this story online, it becomes a minor argument. Nobody needs to argue about Racknine's involvement, its now all about how high up it went in the conservatives.

The leaked articles have said that the numbers called in Guelph are identical to the database in the Conservatives national CIMS database. The fraudulent calls in Guelph, one of 200 ridings under investigation, came from someone with inside knowledge of the conservatives national database. So that makes the questions now about how high up this fraud went, was it just Guelph, or was it Harper and his war room?

But now we know it was the conservatives who committed fraud in the last election.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/tories-deny-deleting-robo-call-records-after-ndp-invokes-watergate/article2405702/
 

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I fixed your post.
I'll take a part of trains bet if, as he wondered, you've "grown a pair" in the last couple of weeks.

The comments by the Dippers are hilarious in this thread. Nver seen so much sputtering, backtracking and deflection. Live with it, you guys continue to be unable to be honest with yourselves.
 

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About the only thing we know for sure in this matter is that there is no serious government investigation, just whatever is done by the parties in the civil suit, and whatever Elections Canada—which is not a police or investigatory body—can come up with. Until there is such an investigation, no one actually knows anything much.

Somehow I'd have thought getting all the facts, and ensuring our elections were honest would be a matter of concern for any government, even our Harper one*. Instead they've privatized it.

*My goodness that official usage makes for awkward English. Couldn't we just go back to having a Canadian government, or a federal government, or even a Government of Canada?
 

groggy

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About the only thing we know for sure in this matter is that there is no serious government investigation, just whatever is done by the parties in the civil suit, and whatever Elections Canada—which is not a police or investigatory body—can come up with. Until there is such an investigation, no one actually knows anything much.
I wouldn't count out Elections Canada yet, if they get enough of a case for fraud, they'll call in the RCMP and/or call for by-elections.
 
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