Losers, Cheaters, Love & $ - split from da Eggy thread

Thousand

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I think its just fucking pathetic if you fall in love with an MPA like Eggy!

Definitely, and I probably think that MPA thought that those guys who go to MP are bunch of losers who either can't get a girl or are cheaters. I don't think any MPA would wanna associate themselves with us unless we got the money for the session.

Anyway, Eggy, don't use MP as dating agency. Just get out more. Go to more social events, get to know more women (the kind that expect to trade long-term affection for long-term money, instead short-term lust for short-term money)

Thousand
 

pool

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sarcasm aside

Originally posted by Thousand
Definitely, and I probably think that MPA thought that those guys who go to MP are bunch of losers who either can't get a girl or are cheaters.

get to know more women (the kind that expect to trade long-term affection for long-term money, instead short-term lust for short-term money)
Oh ye of little faith.

If your experience has been that women in the bis and outside of the hobby deserve such little credit in terms of thought process and outlook on life, it just takes one look in da lounge to know that many woman have more brains than your generalisations seems to give them credit for.

PS Try Leatherdoll and Fays posts, just for starters.

Anyway, Eggy, don't use MP as dating agency. Just get out more. Go to more social events, get to know more women
Good advice, for many of us.
 

Thousand

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Re: sarcasm aside

pool said:
Oh ye of little faith.

If your experience has been that women in the bis and outside of the hobby deserve such little credit in terms of thought process and outlook on life, it just takes one look in da lounge to know that many woman have more brains than your generalisation seems to give them credit for.

PS Try leatherdoll and fays posts for starters.
Women are smart, and I don't denied that. What I wanted to point out is that women want some one who is a leader and a provider. One with leadership quality will benefit from the economic resource the person will be able to acquire, and one with a provider quality will ensure that the family will be taken care off. So to sum it up, it all come down to money. My assumption is that even if the woman is noble-prize-winner smart, she would still want someone who got leadship quality and is able to provide for her. That someone will need a lot of money to be able be a provider for such a smart and successful woman.

Thousand
BTW: YingLing is hot, pool. Is she a SP?
 

pool

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Thousand,

Thousand said:
That someone will need a lot of money to be able be a provider for such a smart and successful woman.
If the woman is truly intelligent and successful, it's entirely feasible that money and leadership qualities, would be low in their scale of criteria in looking for a "soul mate". There is some truth to your assertion, that some woman may look for leadership qualities and a "provider", but that mindset is somewhat archaic and many women, with life experience, evolve beyond that restricted mindset. I would think that some women in the industry run into quiet a few self important, money toting, arrogant clowns [who would btw fit your criteria on a basic level] to sway them away from such superficialities. I'm not sure where you are going with that one, because providing on the very basic level of $, is certainly not an issue for the majority of hobbyists.

I don't doubt for a second that there are MPA's who have a bleak outlook on men through their narrow window, but I would think that some are observant, open minded and thoughtful enough to see beyond that frame and realise clients traits and needs run a wide spectrum. By that same token though, many would likely lean toward less superficial qualities in an SO, due to their jaded experience.

Hell, I've met enough hobbyists to know that some of them would make great catches, physically and personality wise, if I were inclined that way. From the other side of the coin, if guys think that most women are only after money, then, in some cases, they are possibly trying to compensate or are selling themselves short. Besides, if guys are looking for genuine qualities in women, then why should they think some women to be any less capable of valuing the same qualities.

In the end, we generally are attracted to the things we weren't looking for to begin with, anyway.

ra ra ra
BTW: YingLing is hot, pool. Is she a SP?
If Yen Yinling were an SP, do you think I'd have been goin' to MPA's ? : )
 

seven

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Isn't that a shame.

Poolie,

I wish you were a beautiful MPA girl, so I could ask you out. You could tell me all about the depth of our relationship, built on the solid foundations of respect and love, that transcend past the superficialities you speak of so commonly found in many relationships, as you stroked my cock for free. I think that would be really beautiful.
 

Thousand

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pool said:
If the woman is truly intelligent and successful, it's entirely feasible that money and leadership qualities, would be low in their scale of criteria in looking for a "soul mate".
It is also feasible that the woman would seek someone who is more successful than her, with more intelligence and more leadership quality because it is just how nature work. We, as human, a living organism seek to reproduce offsprings that are better than us. So, I would say the probability of women being attacted to successful guys, in which the success is defined in terms of money, is higher than a woman being attracted to guys without the above qualities.

There is some truth to your assertion, that some woman may look for leadership qualities and a "provider", but that mindset is somewhat archaic and many women, with life experience, evolve beyond that restricted mindset. I would think that some women in the industry run into quiet a few self important, money toting, arrogant clowns, who would btw fit your criteria on a basic level, to sway them away from such superficialities. I'm not sure where you are going with that one, because providing on the very basic level of $, is certainly not an issue for the majority of hobbyists.

Providing the very basic level of $ is definitely not the issue for most hobbyist. But I see two major problems. 1) Being in this hobby may indicate that you may not be a good provider to the MPA. Sure, you might have the money, but how could the MPA trust you in that you wouldn't use it all in another MPA after you married her? 2) In order to be a provider for an MPA, you need enough money to maintain her living standard, which I think not many of us has.


I don't doubt for a second that there are MPA's who have a bleak outlook on men through their narrow window, but I would think that some are observant, open minded and thoughtful enough to see beyond that frame and realise clients traits and needs run a wide spectrum. By that same token though, many would likely lean toward less superficial qualities in an SO, due to their jaded experience.

I don't think any MPA would think there were enough time in those MP sessions that would allow them to be able to realise a client's trait and all other stuffs.


Hell, I've met enough hobbyists to know that some of them would make great catches, physically and personality wise, if I were inclined that way. From the other side of the coin, if guys think that most women are only after money, then, in some cases, they are possibly trying to compensate or are selling themselves short. Besides, if guys are looking for genuine qualities in women, then why should they think some women to be any less capable of valuing the same qualities.
The way I see it is that women doesn't want someone that would be a burden to them. And the way they filter this is by the money the person has or is able to make.

As for genuine quality, how many guys are looking for women who just has genuine qualities? <exclude looks> I don't think there are many. As for women, how many of them are looking for guys with genuine qualities? <exclude money & money making quality>

In the end, we generally are attracted to the things we weren't looking for to begin with, anyway.

True.

If Yen Yinling were an SP, do you think I'd have been goin' to MPA's ? : )
Pls tell me she is an MPA in TO. She is too damn hot. I wonder if there are any MPA who looks like her.


Thousand
 

pool

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Seven,

If I were so inclined, I'd be more than happy to stroke your cock for free. Ya can't possibly think I only asked you out for dinner, due to your tousled hair and good looks. That alone would get tiring real fast. If you were as annoying as that fuckin' waiter, as cute as he might be, I'd dump you before you could say "and would you like cheese with that ?"

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Embraced, the lovers desperately try to fuse their insulated ecstasies into a single self-transcendence; in vain - Aldous Huxley
 

seven

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pool said:
Seven,

If I were so inclined, I'd be more than happy to stroke your cock for free. Ya can't possibly think I only took asked you out for dinner, due to your tousled hair and good looks. That alone would get tiring real fast. If you were as annoying as that fuckin' waiter, as cute as he might be, I'd dump you before you could say "and would you like cheese with that ?"
That's really sweet Poolie, it is, but don't you think as a beautiful MPA that it would dawn on you, either consciously or unconsciously, that every time you stroked my cock for free that you are basically giving me the equivalent of $150 - $200 (the market value of the service.) Don't I have to offer you something of equal value in return, either directly or indirectly, to balance the relationship? Aren't relationships, in truth, about a complex array of needs and balances whereby you seek the best that you can get and then call it "love" so you don't feel so superficial? There are many guys out there who would be very willing to be nice to you, so how much do you think you would value that particular trait, especially over the course of time and with "life experience"?
 

EnergizerBunny

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seven said:
Aren't relationships, in truth, about a complex array of needs and balances whereby you seek the best that you can get and then call it "love" so you don't feel so superficial?
Makes sense seven, but you are only seeing the part that ropes us into "falling in love". Then our projection onto the object of our love becomes an end in itself. Witness all the fools to love who get jack!
 

Thousand

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I think that would be pure business relationship. See it any other way, then you might get hurt.
 

pool

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Seven,

seven said:
MPA that it would dawn on you, either consciously or unconsciously, that every time you stroked my cock for free that you are basically giving me the equivalent of $150 - $200 (the market value of the service.)
Well, I'm not an MPA, but your assertion is totally ludicrous, if you think an MPA would transfer her motivation for working onto an outside relationship, then you completely baffle me.

Don't I have to offer you something of equal value in return, either directly or indirectly, to balance the relationship?
Of course you do, but it's not your job. It's not not how much you have in the bank. It's not not the contents of your wallet. It's not your your fuckin' orange pants and if you truly believe it is these things, then you are not a beautiful and unique snowflake; you are the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world. *

*Adapted from Fight Club without permission

Aren't relationships, in truth, about a complex array of needs and balances whereby you seek the best that you can get and then call it "love" so you don't feel so superficial?
There is no doubt some truth to that, assuming that needs and balances cover all variables and factors. To me love is something that can, in fact, be rationalised and broken down into such things as a selfless caring, even though that selflessness will in turn reflect on our own sense of well being. However, it may also include sacrifice. It is very much about an appreciation of subtleties in the other person and seeing them as an individual, rather than the priority lying in their relation to ourselves.

Anyway I'll hand you over to Aldous for some added perspective, before Eggy asks me to marry him.

  • We live together, we act on, and react to, one another; but always and in
    all circumstances we are by ourselves. The martyrs go hand in hand into
    the arena; they are crucified alone. Embraced, the lovers desperately try
    to fuse their insulated ecstasies into a single self-transcendence; in vain.
    By its very nature every embodied spirit is doomed to suffer and enjoy in
    solitude. Sensations, feelings, insights, fancies--all these are private
    and, ex- cept through symbols and at second hand, incommunicable. We can
    pool information about experiences, but never the experiences themselves.
    From family to nation, every human group is a society of island universes.

    Huxley

There are many guys out there who would be very willing to be nice to you, so how much do you think you would value that particular trait, especially over the course of time and with "life experience"?
More and more, the more you experience the value of that trait and see it lacking in others, if indeed it is what you truly value.
 

pool

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Thousand,
As for genuine quality, how many guys are looking for women who just has genuine qualities? <exclude looks> I don't think there are many.
I'd say you are right that the majority of men, are attracted to looks initially, but looks alone are virtually irrelevant and become secondary, long term, and in many cases even short term. Mannerisms, demeanour, personality and other subtleties can and do effect a persons physical appearance and value; either enhancing or negating to varying degrees. How would one go abt judging, from an outside perspective, the percentage of people who value looks over other qualities anyway. By the standard we are brainwashed with by the media ? It doesn't take much observational skill to look around and realise that not everyone has the same idea as to what defines a primarily valuable personality trait or what is perceived as physically beautiful.
As for women, how many of them are looking for guys with genuine qualities? <exclude money & money making quality>
I don't doubt there are many women, who value money as a factor when seeking out a mate and it may come into play in their attraction, but there is much more to "supporting" someone than money and I think those assets are far more valuable to many women.

I'm not sure how to really answer this, because in "my world" most women do not seem to care too much about a mans money or ability to make money. I'm not really interested in stats, societies programming or what the media dictates to be reality. I tend to think that the importance of $ would vary,with some cross over, of course, between social groups and people of different upbringing, programming and / or social status. Not everyone buys into the Ikea nesting instinct and I think that many who do, are trying to compensate for lack of other real needs being fulfilled. There are a lot of unhappy, bitter, lost people who are well supported financially.
We, as human, a living organism seek to reproduce offsprings that are better than us.
You completely lost me on this one, I'm afraid. I can't imagine being attracted to someone based on such a notion. It sounds like some futuristic Aryan race type motivation. I think we are confusing attraction and actually seeking out a partner to some degree in this whole issue. The bottom line, as I alluded to earlier, is that we will end up with someone we are attracted to rather than what we seek and then the rest falls into place. At that point, if we feel the need to procreate, as such, all we would want is to have healthy and happy children.

For the sake of "bantering" [ : ) ] lets assume we do seek out partners that will produce "better" offspring. Wouldn't we seek out intelligent, caring, chemically balanced partners that would give our children a more secure chance in life, despite all the odds that society places on us.

BTW If I'm not mistaken, George Bush was nominated for "the noble peace prize" Enough said.
Sure, you might have the money, but how could the MPA trust you in that you wouldn't use it all in another MPA after you married her?
This, I have to agree, would most likely be an outlook many MPA's may have and in talking to some, in fact, do. Not that being hypocritical is an argument in itself, but many MPA's are leading double lives themselves and you would think that some may be open minded enough to realise that some hobbyists are only trying to fulfil a need, that in their mind, is better than cheating within in the context of another "real" relationship. Whether their perception is valid or not, is another issue. There's no doubt though that trust is a major issue in any relationship. Then there are clients who are trying to fulfil a need that would far better be served within that real relationship, so would no longer feel that need to attempt to fill it through "hobbying". I'm sure there are many variations on these and other possible scenarios.

As I said, in another thread recently I wish someone would tell one of my favourite MPA's who retired and married a client that she wasn't supposed to fall for him. It does happen, and some of those relationships work out while others, obviously would not.

Of course most women / MPA's would expect a certain level of income to come from a partner, but it cannot be a primary factor, if any at all, in most cases. It seems that people have an extremely skewed perception of an MPA's income and standard of living.

I also think that many of us will view all this, not from an objective standpoint, but through our own bias in how we learned to see the world and, in particular, insecurities. No big revelation, I know.
 

pool

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oops, ran out of characters

I wasn't going to reply 'till later, if at all, seeing as I think most of your views are part of the picture and it's your perspective, so not necessarily wrong. However picky / seven somehow woke up ( created a monster ) my tired frazzled mind. Unfortunately I'm in no condition to think all this through in a coherent fashion [as if, I ever am ] so I hope it at least has some semblance of reasoning.

My initial reason for responding was that I do not think it is realistic to paint all women MPA's and in turn, clients, using the same wide brush, as your initial post implicated. I think that any MPA who has been in the business a while and has the ability to reason will know that client types and their reasoning for hobbying vary across a wide spectrum.

I split this thread in two and am moving this subject it to da lounge
 

EnergizerBunny

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All joking aside you make the most sense Pool.

Poolie your gonna make me cry. But seriously, if you were better looking :p all MPAs would fall in love with you. Eat your heart out Sheik!

Originally posted by pool
Anyway I'll hand you over to Aldous for some added perspective, before Eggy asks me to marry him.

  • We live together, we act on, and react to, one another; but always and in
    all circumstances we are by ourselves. The martyrs go hand in hand into
    the arena; they are crucified alone. Embraced, the lovers desperately try
    to fuse their insulated ecstasies into a single self-transcendence; in vain.
    By its very nature every embodied spirit is doomed to suffer and enjoy in
    solitude. Sensations, feelings, insights, fancies--all these are private
    and, except through symbols and at second hand, incommunicable. We can
    pool information about experiences, but never the experiences themselves.
    From family to nation, every human group is a society of island universes.


    Huxley
Right on, right on, right on ... now pass the peyote!

I can't help myself I must always joke! It is a COMPULSION!

Originally posted by pool
if we feel the need to procreate, as such, all we would want is to have healthy and happy children.

For the sake of "bantering" [ : ) ] lets assume we do seek out partners that will produce "better" offspring, wouldn't we seek out intelligent caring, chemically balanced partners that would give our children a more secure chance in life, despite all the odds that society places on us.

BTW If I'm not mistaken, George Bush was nominated for "the noble peace prize" Enough said.


hehehe "Dubya for world Peace" Should be his campaign slogan.

I am converted ... where do I sign up to fall in love with an MPA, SP, Stripper or Hobbist?

Shit I gotta be more serious, people will not know what I really think, where I really stand on these important issues. In all seriousness I am in total agreement with Pool; except I could care less about his favorite MPA getting married.
 

EnergizerBunny

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Tonight's topic is ... L ... O ... V ... E ... love

[putting on my deep soft soothing late night radio host voice]

To all the Ladies out there ... what is love?

Psychologists say that those who have never been loved do not know what it is. Love is a big multifaceted word. It means many things to each of us and different things to all of us. Can it be rationalized or does it reside on some mystical higher plane?

Hey leatherdoll if you are out there, we would love a call, you were very enlightening in our discussion on the last topic.
 

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Re: Re: sarcasm aside

Originally posted by Thousand Women are smart, and I don't denied that.
Careful with that sort of talk, or they'll want to start going to school or even getting their own jobs!

What's the weather like down there in 1952 anyway?
 
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