London ON gets the SHAFT after voting conservative

fmahovalich

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We have a debt in this country!!!

We entrust our government to make responsible decisions with our money!!!

If they need money....they can go to a bank!!
 

mb12ca

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I am glad this company was refused the money as I don't believe in corporate hand outs, especially considering the fact that said company had already received a previous loan from the government. However, considering Harper promised $3 billion in aid to pregnant women in Africa during the G8 summit last year, don't you think the government's statement of “Canadian taxpayers entrust the government to make responsible decisions with their dollars" is a little disingenuous to say the least.
 

fmahovalich

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One has to separate foreign aid with domestic industry decisions.

African women and poor people cannot borrow from Canadian Banks.

An Airplane manufacturer can!!
 

Aardvark154

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They sure have been shafted by the Federal Government after all only a twenty million dollar loan but three years ago! :rolleyes:
 

nottyboi

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Considering all the oil company subsidies the govt doles out, perhaps some investment in high tech manufacturing may be beneficial. But I suppose it may conflict with their vision of our future as hewers of wood and drawers of water.
 

fmahovalich

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It comes down to profitable decisions.

You...nor .....I have looked at this companies books....

But we have elected people and have bureaucrats to do this on our behalf. I am sure they have!!

But my radar goes up when I see they cannot borrow funds from a Bank.

Perhaps it is not a viable company that is going down the tubes with poor management, no business plan, substandard execution...or a host of other reasons.
 

nottyboi

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Banks in Canada are very risk averse as they exist in a oligopolistic market. GM could not borrow from a bank.. neither could Chrysler, yet now they are both profitable. It is true the business plan may not be there, but here is a lot of private money already invested.
 

gcostanza

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I'm happy that we did not lend Diamond Aircraft any more money.

Word on the street is that the company is circling the drain.
 

fmahovalich

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And I am glad they did lend to the car companies. It proved someone looked at a business case....saw light at the end of the tunnel and loaned the money based on expected returns.

I am doubtful that the airline maker has any light...nor a tunnel!!!
 

Aardvark154

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GM could not borrow from a bank.. neither could Chrysler, yet now they are both profitable.
If you got a sweetheart not at all normal bankruptcy and federal loan like they did you could make almost any down the drain business "profitable". By the way the U.S. Government still owns a large percentage of G.M. (aka Obama Motors) and I believe Chrysler as well.
 

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By the way the U.S. Government still owns a large percentage of G.M. (aka Obama Motors) and I believe Chrysler as well.
Strange???
Thought since Dubya first gave GM bailout money, it was still called Dubya Motors!
When did Dubya Motors become Obama Motors?.....:eyebrows:

I mean lets at least give credit to Dubya for at getting that one right!
 

fmahovalich

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Either way..those loans went to companies that are seeing a bright light at the end of the tunnel...were a good investment...and is one program that is bringing IN FUNDS for the government!!!
 

WoodPeckr

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...and is one program that is bringing IN FUNDS for the government!!!
Agreed!
In addition it saved thousands of good paying jobs that otherwise may have been shipped to RED China by our greedy pinko Corporatists who care more about commies like Hop Sing in Shanghai than North American workers....:cool:
 

Aardvark154

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Either way..those loans went to companies that are seeing a bright light at the end of the tunnel...were a good investment...and is one program that is bringing IN FUNDS for the government!!!
Actually that was the banks, which by the way were not artifically forced into bankruptcy.
 

WoodPeckr

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Actually that was the banks, which by the way were not artifically forced into bankruptcy.
Only because they have and wield more political clout ...;)
 

shakenbake

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ha ha.. stupid people voted for the Tories and got the SHAFT!! lol.

http://www.cjbk.com/LocalNews/Story.aspx?ID=1419407

this after giving the Tories 3 of 4 local seats. I'm sure we will all feel the same way given the passage of time.
Business opinion;

In analyzing the declining of the loan, Joseph D'Cruz of the University of Toronto Rotman School of Management indicated that in his opinion the government made the right decision in turning Diamond down. He said, "It's such a high risk, nobody in their right mind would invest...That particular market for that aircraft is a relatively small market and it's unproven....Could this jet go ahead without government assistance? The answer is a definite 'no,' because it's not viable without the federal government."

Therats to an MP;

"Ed Holder stated that Diamond owner Christian Dries had told him that Dries would close the London plant and make the announcement just before the federal election, if support was not forthcoming. Dries issued a denial of the conversation, but Holder insisted that was correct. Holder suggested that Diamond look to the province or the city for the money instead."

Screw your uninformed political jabs.
 
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burt-oh-my!

I sure as hell don't want a system where you vote in the government you expect preferential treatment. I know it can happen to some extent but the less the better. so London did not get the shaft: in fact, they benefit like everyon eelse by having a government that at least in this case did not get involved in trying to determine who the 'winners' will be.

Why is everyone saying the government bailed out GM? It sure as hell didn't bail out their shareholders. So it wasn't a 'corporate' bailout at all: if anything, it was an employee and supplier bailout.

If they hadn't done it there would of been bigger losses on the part of jobs and suppliers, and the effect would certainly have cascaded throughout the supply chain, but somebody would likely have come round to take another stab at the thing with basically the same or better terms than the government achieved.

Bankruptcy is an extremely important strength of our system.
 

Aardvark154

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Why is everyone saying the government bailed out GM? It sure as hell didn't bail out their shareholders. So it wasn't a 'corporate' bailout at all: if anything, it was an employee and supplier bailout.
That sure as the Hell is the truth.
 

ogibowt

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Diamond aircraft should just relocate into Clement,s riding...that ought to do the trick
 
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