Loblaws and other groceries being investigated for price gouging

Phil C. McNasty

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They've already been found guilty of price-fixing before, what makes people think they wouldnt do it again??



Canadians have been experiencing sticker shock at their local grocery stores for months now, with everyday items listed for disgraceful prices due to not just general inflation, but alleged profiteering by greedy corporations.

While Loblaws attempts to peddle $10 butter, $15 Maple syrup and $40 chicken breasts, the supermarket is among those being formally investigated by the Competition Bureau of Canada for potentially increasing prices more than already-bonkers inflation rates in recent months.

This came after StatCan data had revealed grocery prices were rising faster than inflation — 11.4 per cent versus 6.9 per cent in the fall — and that Loblaws profits were through the roof as people struggled to put food on the table.

"Grocery prices in Canada are increasing at the fastest rate seen in 40 years," the bureau wrote in October. "Many factors are thought to have impacted the price of food... are competition factors also at work?"

As the probe continues, we've now found out what consequences Loblaws, Metro and Empire (which owns Sobeys) could face if found guilty of price gouging — or as NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh says, "taking advantage of inflation to line their pockets" — and what other steps the government might take as a result.

The recommendations come in a newly-released report from the House of Commons Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food, who Loblaws oligarch Galen Weston was earlier this year called to testify in front of on the topic of food price inflation.

One key remedy on the table is to implement a windfall tax for these companies, which would make them pay a higher rate for above-average profits while also discouraging excess price hikes.

Also proposed is the formation of a "mandatory and enforceable" Grocery Code of Conduct such as those already in place in countries like Australia and the U.K. The code would be reassessed after one year to measure its efficacy and would provide standardized (and, importantly, transparent) steps for addressing issues such as price increases.

Another good idea put forward in the report is the advent of a standardized unit price labelling model so people can better understand and compare prices for different items at different retailers.

"While the food sector has been facing many of the same cost pressures related to supply chain issues and labour shortages, they have also over the same period recorded an increase in their net income... and also reported an increase in average profit margins," the report reads.

"This situation has led consumer groups and other stakeholders to question how increasing costs are being distributed along the supply chain [and] speculate as to whether Canada’s five largest retailers, who control 80 per cent of the grocery market, are engaged in 'price-gouging,' or using their market power to raise prices faster than the growth in their production costs."

Among the committee's other suggestions, no matter the result of the Competition Bureau's investigation: that the government be more thorough in documenting food supply chain costs, which they should make public; that it better address food waste; that it improve the supply chain by improving infrastucture, digitization, and more; and that it better support food producers.
 

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I've also seen the practice (at Loblaws) of selling item at one for $11.00 or two for $12.00 which is pretty slimy in my opinion.

$10.00 butter is insane. If Costco can make a profit by selling it at $6.00 / Lb. Loblaws is simply ripping people off.
 
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Loblaw's net profit margin is about 3.24 percent. That's pretty much razor thin.

So for very hundred dollar basket of goods that Loblaws sells, they make $3.24

Contrast to the government, which charges HST on everything. For every hundred dollar basket of goods sold at Loblaws, let's say half is taxable. So on that same hundred bucks, half taxable, that's $6.50 the government makes. FOR DOING FUCK ALL. Now let's add the carbon tax grab. Now that's impossible to quantify because it's a cumulative tax at every level AND the fucking government charges HST on it. But the food industry supply chain is really really long and the carbon tax gets added every step along the way. So I have no idea how much of that 100 dollar basket is carbon tax grab. Let's say conservatively 5 bucks. So the government WHICH DOES FUCK ALL walks away with $11.50 FOR DOING FUCK ALL.on that hundred bucks of stuff that Loblaws sells. So the government makes three times what Loblaws makes from Loblaws' business.

So remind me again who the theif is.
 

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Loblaw's net profit margin is about 3.24 percent. That's pretty much razor thin.

So for very hundred dollar basket of goods that Loblaws sells, they make $3.24

Contrast to the government, which charges HST on everything. For every hundred dollar basket of goods sold at Loblaws, let's say half is taxable. So on that same hundred bucks, half taxable, that's $6.50 the government makes. FOR DOING FUCK ALL. Now let's add the carbon tax grab. Now that's impossible to quantify because it's a cumulative tax at every level AND the fucking government charges HST on it. But the food industry supply chain is really really long and the carbon tax gets added every step along the way. So I have no idea how much of that 100 dollar basket is carbon tax grab. Let's say conservatively 5 bucks. So the government WHICH DOES FUCK ALL walks away with $11.50 FOR DOING FUCK ALL.on that hundred bucks of stuff that Loblaws sells. So the government makes three times what Loblaws makes from Loblaws' business.

So remind me again who the theif is.
Both!
Can’t believe most don’t get that.
Govt and corporate have been in bed together for decades.
 

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ROTFLMFAO!!!! The inflation is still rolling hot, Justin keeps increasing the fuel prices, the wages are going up, but not keeping up with cost increases, but fueling inflation- how can the prices not go up? NY Strip prime cut- up six bucks in recent weeks. Prime Ribeye- up seven bucks. Maybe the upcoming increase in carbon tax can bring some relief. LOL!!
 

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the question might be.....when inflation subsides and is no linger an issue, will grocery stores start lowering prices?,....i for one wont hold my breath
 
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the question might be.....when inflation subsides and is no linger an issue, will grocery stores start lowering prices?,....i for one wont hold my breath
How can they lower the prices? The value of your dollar is being eroded by inflation. You'll just have to earn more (cheaper) dollars to compensate once the prices stabilize.
 
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How can they lower the prices? The value of your dollar is being eroded by inflation. You'll just have to earn more (cheaper) dollars to compensate once the prices stabilize.
it is amazing how many people do not understand what a 3.24% margin represents
and you are quite right , it is not loblaws who is the enemy, it is inflation
 
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the question might be.....when inflation subsides and is no linger an issue, will grocery stores start lowering prices?,....i for one wont hold my breath
Better not. Even "target" inflation is 2%, so everything still goes up. Price reductions would take deflation or a currency devaluation. Both are about as bad as runaway inflation. Stay away from bitcoin anyway...
 

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the question might be.....when inflation subsides and is no linger an issue, will grocery stores start lowering prices?,....i for one wont hold my breath
If inflation goes to zero it just means prices are no longer rising, Dont hold your breath waiting for prices to go down, especially on perishable items. Fuel prices will keep the price of produce high.
 

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Loblaw's net profit margin is about 3.24 percent. That's pretty much razor thin.

So for very hundred dollar basket of goods that Loblaws sells, they make $3.24

Contrast to the government, which charges HST on everything. For every hundred dollar basket of goods sold at Loblaws, let's say half is taxable. So on that same hundred bucks, half taxable, that's $6.50 the government makes. FOR DOING FUCK ALL. Now let's add the carbon tax grab. Now that's impossible to quantify because it's a cumulative tax at every level AND the fucking government charges HST on it. But the food industry supply chain is really really long and the carbon tax gets added every step along the way. So I have no idea how much of that 100 dollar basket is carbon tax grab. Let's say conservatively 5 bucks. So the government WHICH DOES FUCK ALL walks away with $11.50 FOR DOING FUCK ALL.on that hundred bucks of stuff that Loblaws sells. So the government makes three times what Loblaws makes from Loblaws' business.

So remind me again who the theif is.
Actually it's 1.62 in taxes if the tax rate is 50% which it isn't, I am too lazy to look it up.
Also I would suggest the government does quite a bit. Also that 5 dollars, even you said you have no idea. Never mind that the money is supposed to go back as refunds* so the government isn't getting FUCK ALL from it and I'd also hazard a guess that it is nowhere near 5% considering it seems to raise less than 1% of GDP but granted solid numbers are hard to find, I kinda had to jury rig it. Also there is a purpose to the carbon tax even if you don't agree with it, it has a function, and it's a better choice than some sort of regulatory burdern, taxing shit with negitive externalities is a pretty efficient thing to do.
 

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If inflation goes to zero it just means prices are no longer rising, Dont hold your breath waiting for prices to go down, especially on perishable items. Fuel prices will keep the price of produce high.
This year will be an El Nino year. Combine that with the loss of grain output from Ukraine and food will get much more expensive this year.
 

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This year will be an El Nino year. Combine that with the loss of grain output from Ukraine and food will get much more expensive this year.
ROTFLMAO!!! The food prices in Canada are increasing due to rising production costs fueled by inflation and carbon taxes.
 

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ROTFLMAO!!! The food prices in Canada are increasing due to rising production costs fueled by inflation and carbon taxes.
Carbon taxes?
Nah, its your pal MBS working with Putin to raise oil prices.

Of course you could move to renewables that are cheaper and will only get less expensive while oil gets more expensive.
But that would be woke so no way....
 

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Inflation is the problem. Chasing competitive grocery chains is waste of time, money, and distracts from the real problem. James T. Kirk has it right. The profit margins in this industry are small. There is no evidence that they have ballooned. If an average yearly margin is 3%, and if this year it was 4%, you could say the company increased its profits by 33%, but the impact on the consumer would only be 1%. Anyone with basic math skills knows that this amount pales in comparison to the inflation across the entire grocery supply chain.
 
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Dont hold your breath waiting for prices to go down, especially on perishable items.
Deflation would be worse. So, price stability is the best option, if achieveable (check sp).

You're right that increases up to this point are already built in and prices won't go down i.e. deflation.
 

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How can they lower the prices? The value of your dollar is being eroded by inflation. You'll just have to earn more (cheaper) dollars to compensate once the prices stabilize.
Because studies have shown that more than half of recent inflation was a result of corporate profit and not necessitated by rising costs.
 

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Inflation is the problem. Chasing competitive grocery chains is waste of time, money, and distracts from the real problem. ...
Right. Because costs of essentials like groceries don't play a major role in the inflation experienced by the average person.
 
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