Live report from Frankfurt FKK clubs etc - long travelog

[Dave in Phoenix]

Dave visits Frankfurt Germany travelogue June 2-12, 2019

WARNING not for those that like short tweets. But an extensive travel report some might be interested in and the rest too boring to read so much

When I get time with also do a more detailed including history stuff and some pictures and videos I took on sexworkfrankfurt.com which I secured to add to my sexwork collection of domains!

For my Toronto friends, (mostly on terb) after about 15 years of trips to Canada, this year decided to visit especially the FKK clubs of Frankfurt. However, I will be back again to Toronto if not in 2019 yet, next year.

Took 19 hours of traveling to get here from Phoenix. London Heathrow was a big mess and weather delays on the London to Frankfurt hop

While I had done lots of research on the train system, I love Uber and decided not to hassle with trains, so I took Uber most everywhere. They have always been within 5-6 minutes away and like the app. I don't know a word of German, which is not an issue for Uber since you punch in where you are going on the app. I have had no significant problems communicating in English since it is taught in most school systems here to some extent.

About four months ago booked newer modern Premier Inn hear the Skyline Plaza and paid 498 Euros for nine nights. Neat how you plug your hotel room card into a slot to turn on the electrical. It's simple and intelligent and efficient: you can't misplace your key within the room, and neither can you forget to turn off the lights to save electricity when you head out.

Observations of the city - huge modern buildings with construction cranes all over building new big modern structures, combined with old look like survived the war buildings.

The street system is even worse than Toronto! You zig and zag all over the place with lots of one-ways and roundabouts.

For those not familiar with German ways - cash is king, and many places do not accept credit cards. I got some Euros from my bank before I left Phoenix - but see later my frustrating hunt for an English ATM to get more! Significant tipping seems to be kind of an insult like in Asia. Although if pay in cash, rounding up a few Euros is typical. I often eat in the hotel restaurant, which does take credit cards - with no line or option to tip at all. This tipping nonsense is mostly just in the US/Canada with underpaid service workers. I do tip Uber drivers $2, but 20% tipping is unheard of in most of the rest of the world, including Germany.

Hitting the streets
First stop was FKK Mainhattan. About 30 minutes zigging and zagging and 13E on Uber. I arrived shortly before 1 PM for their discounted rate. This may have been a mistake since initially only three guys in the sitting area. Although towards 2 PM more gals and guys. The procedure was as expected with a locker key, given towel and slippers - similar to the swing club I visited in Toronto.

For anyone that has followed my decades of reviews on various boards, I am an old.72 year old that has always enjoyed intimacy and sensuality more than just the usual. I have an intimacy rating scale of 0-5 with 5 being rare. I use this for strip clubs (often with the "gang of 3" nude-reverse massage in Toronto and companions.

I had three 30 minute session for $50 although now I forget their names since when you are naked, I don't have my usual notebook with me to jot down names and info to recall later. The three gals ranged from 0 to 3 on my intimacy scale. The 0's were more mechanical than intimate. I have had far better sessions with strippers and companions, mostly in Toronto.

To be continued!

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

Hunt For Euros, massage parlors and FKK Oase Thursday, June 6, 2019
I wanted to refresh my supply of Euros, and I can avoid ATM charges by using a Deutsche Bank ATM since they have a relationship with Bank of America where I put cash in a "travel" account. Likewise, in Canada, BofA has a Scotiabank relationship.

There is a vast Deutsche Bank about a 15-minute walk from the hotel, so off I go using Google map. As I get to the bridge over route 648, it gets confusing since there is a route around the bridge and one over it. At one point it tells me to turn right - but there is no right other than jump off the bridge onto the big highway below. Find the bank and the ATMs. The BofA International FAQs say the machines will have an option for English. All I see is in German. I put my card in, and nothing in English comes up. I kind of randomly punched some unknown buttons, and it at least gave me my card back! In the HUGE lobby go to an informational booth, but they were of no help other than suggesting another location which I couldn't understand their English exactly but very far away. There are no tellers, just a large bank.

I wander around the streets and find a Novotel hotel. I use to stay at this chain when in Mississauga (Toronto). So I go to the front desk with three nice gals, one of which speaks English well. I ask where their guests get Euros. They chatter in German and English speaker says really don't know - like gee no one has asked about getting Euros which seems strange.

BTW, while it was a warm and humid 29C the prior day, it is now 16 with a low predicted at night of 9. I am glad I packed my coat!

I am thinking not sure how much I save using Deutsche Bank may only be a few dollars so might use any VISA ATM that is part of the network, not a private ATM. But am surprised how few there are near me unless I go to the Train station. There is one in the mall but never heard of the bank.

I still have enough Euros for a few 100E 60 minute body to body rubs. So I hail a Uber in front of the Novotel on the app for City Relax Töngesgasse 44. The friendly driver from Pakistan 11 Euro ride I was expecting massage places to be like the adult body rubs in Toronto - big sign, nice modern place. It is kind of an old door leading to stairs with construction going on with a sign like CityRelax 2 story. So up I go the dingy narrow steps. It seems more like how the brothels North of the train station are with long flights of stairs to the cheap hookers I have no interest in. I get to the entrance and women peaks out and says no room for at least an hour! However, I get a peek at a good looking gal behind her, and from their website, some gals look my type.

OK, now what? Maybe I should have asked if I can wait, but that was not offered, and women was kind of nastily sounding? I decided to walk around the area a bit while deciding what to do. Cobblestone narrow streets with lots of shops. I had another massage listing I had noted as a good possible - Pam's Massage Alte Gasse 5. I wanted to find a major street so a Uber could find me easier than on a narrow winding cobblestone street.

I look in the sky for tall buildings and kind of head toward them. Then I come to a HUGE area with all sorts of vendors, some seating, and a major train station with the entrance going underground. The only business I recognize is McDonald's. But way in the distance see what may be a major street (at least has a traffic signal) and I kind of head towards it. Then to my amazement, I see a Deutsche Bank smaller branch. The ATMs look the same as at the large branch so didn't try them assuming would be the same no English. There was a line at an info desk it looked like so waited and got to this big German guy who fortunately spoke very good with English. He said no tellers - have to get Euros from the machine, but it should bring up a screen to select a language. He walked me over to an ATM and sure enough, unlike the ones at the big branch after putting in BofA debit card, a big screen comes up with language options and gives me my Euros.

I find a Hyatt hotel and order up a Uber for Pam's massage -Alte Gasse 5. Gee app says its only 5 E ride so must be close and a Uber responded only a few minutes away. Friendly driver, but had to make a big loop going a long way around to get a short distance. The driver thinks I am staying at the Hyatt and points out how if I walk a back road; I could get back to the hotel in about half the time it takes to drive there!

Arrive in a confusing area on Alte Gasse but don't see "5" but driver lets me off in the approximate area. The few businesses that have address numbers don't seem to be in a logical order. I ask a Chinese woman sitting in a shop if she knows where 5 is - a massage place. She speaks perfect English and is puzzled where it might be and says the numbering is all screwed up in the area. Then I spot a delivery person, and she is likewise not sure but probably points that way. I see street signs with number ranges but don't find 5 - until... Oh, it looked like just going into a dark alley with looked like gang signs written on a wall. There is a little number 5! The door goes to a dingy stairwell going up with some of the lights burned out. Get to Pam's and friendly lady that I hope isn't also the massage gal, welcomes me. She is older and not my type, but we joke, and she is very friendly. She has four gals come into a massage room and introduce themselves so that I can choose. Only one of the 3 was attractive to me - Sara from Spain. And it turned out to be a great choice and speaks excellent English.

We get naked, and I pay 100E for the 60-minute body to body rub. Nice touch.. fairly good real massage which I also like. I am not sure how interactive after the flip German body-to-body rubs are so I start cautiously massaging her while she is on top of me. She says she loves it. In fact, she asks me if I could do more massage on her. So it turns out to be what I like the most in Toronto - the nude-reverse body rubs although we are on a bed, not a massage table like in Mississauga/Toronto. I do my favorite Esalen strokes I usually get such a great response from by companions, strippers and massage gals. Esalen is not sexual - no penetration - but very caring, loving sensual touch. I have taught it to couples groups. She is in sensual heaven by her responses, loves my cuddle positions, etc. A rare 5 highest rating on my intimacy scale - far my type of interaction than at FKK Mainhattan.

Uber back to the hotel for 17E, Am considering going to FKK Oase on their 7:45 $5 fare shuttle from Festhalle / Messe but it is starting to rain, and my radar app shows it may get worse. Thanks to friend Hank's suggestions who has been to Germany a few times, I had bought a rain jacket with a hood. I had been by the Festhalle a few times when returning to the hotel, and it seems enormous. I called Oase asking where at Festhalle the van would be. She said it has a big main entrance. I decide to go, and the rain hood keeps the rain from blowing into my face. I know the shortcut is via Skyline Plaza, so I leave in lots of time and have a Pizza on the way.

It is a relatively long walk, and the first Festhalle sign I see is a massive kind of round building with a huge sign that says something, not Festhalle Messe. About a block further another Festhalle sign pointing to an area that is fenced off - an older building with the sign seemingly aimed to it from what I found on their website the picture is of the older building -that I cannot get to. Ask a passing guy who says it is closed and was also confused how to get into it to meet a pickup there. Ask two Chinese women walking by, and one has excellent English and says go around the outside fence and go to the right will take you in. But this gets me to the big circular building that says something else on it and leads me just to a dead end with the fencing around what I think is Festhalle. Then I go back to the front of the circular building and see the sign pointing kind of towards it saying Festhalle. But that is not what the huge sign across the building says. Looks like some Museum which is closed. Walking further, I find what looks like the ticket office to Festhalle. In the street in front, there were bus stops, etc. I had no idea if this was the right place or not but turned out it was as the Oase Van pulled up with 5 Chinese guys and I had the last seat. However, they were returning and got off at the train station stop.

Three older German guys got on at the train station and with two other stops finally got out of the zigzagging streets and onto a highway zipping us to Friedrichsdort. Its a neat little town with narrow streets before going into open fields leading to FKK Oase with all the Roman statues. 70 E entry fee and like FKK Mainhattan, the keys for clothes and this time included a robe with the towels.

As you enter the main area, it was like sharks going after men like prey. My gosh everyone grabbing at you trying to seduce you into talking and going with them. It was a bit overwhelming with so many almost naked women going after you. I was looking for specific body types (smaller natural breasts and slim). Lots of attractive women but VERY aggressive. The only partial refuge was the eating area. But make eye contact with any gal, and they would dash over to you! The women far outnumbered the men! I did do five 30 minute sessions for $50 each sampling a wide variety of women. An older gal from Spain sat with me and had a good English conversation. I told each gal I was willing to take to a room vs. swatting away like flies, that I was only good for the standard 30 minutes 50 Euro session, and that is all I did. As soon as the Spanish women (and a few others) got me into the room, there was a vast upsell pitch with all the extra fantastic fun we could have doing all sorts of sexual offers if I would upgrade to $100. I held firm.

I started looking for less aggressive gals. The sessions were OK and enjoyed many different bodies, but all were 0-3 on my intimacy scale. One of the better was a black gal from Ghana. Very aggressive was a gal from Thailand who had to leave early since shift over and had been working since 9 AM, and another slim sexy from Romania. There was the upselling Spanish gal, although she seemed to enjoy what I was doing with her and had excellent English. 5th gal was sexy slim but hard to communicate in English, and a hard upsell. After the first two, I wised up that I didn't have to go to the locker room after each gal but stashed three 50 Euro bills in the little pocket on the robe. While we were given towels for the shower, I say few guys using it.

My conclusion was an interesting experience but not really my thing vs. the more fulfilling experiences I have had on my trips to Toronto.

Continued

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

I left about 11:30 PM intending to catch the 11:45 shuttle for $5 back to either the Festhalle stop or the huge train station. Both are kind of walking distance from the hotel, but my legs are tired from all the walking I have done and am not sure how safe it is around midnight to be walking especially from the train station. So I decided I would take an Uber (probably 5 Euro) the short distance to the hotel. When I came out to the parking lot of Osae, the van was not there yet, but lots of cabs were flashing lights at you trying to pick you up. Then as I was walking up the drive to where I think I would meet the van a cab pulled up, and the driver said he would take me to my hotel for 15 E vs. the standard cab fare of 50, and Uber would have been about 37? He spoke perfect English and said he knew exactly where my hotel was. That was a good deal since I had decided not to walk from the shuttle stop but would have taken a Uber and his $15 direct to the hotel was a great deal. He must have been desperate but had a friendly chat as we zoomed back to my hotel!

Plans for rest of trip
I'm done with FKKing but want to do some more tourist things although we may have rain coming the next few days. I also want to do the big airport tour on Sat or Sunday depending on the weather. Also, rain or shine can Uber to some more erotic massage places I have researched quite a few. I had thought of some of the zillions of escort/companions to the hotel for typically 160E an hour. However, you can not get up to the rooms without a hotel card for the elevator. So would have to meet any gal in the lobby.

Daves adventures at HUGE train station Friday, June 7th late afternoon- slept in since wrote the first part of this until 4 AM.
With unsettled weather next few days trying to schedule some tourist stuff but decided that while I am not going to try the trains went to visit the train station. Uber 8E from the hotel. Wow, so massive and busy. Zillions of shops, rails, and people scurrying about!. Fine dined at Burger King and then an oreo shake at McDonald's. I took lots of pictures and some video both inside and outside the massive station.

After about an hour storm clouds gathering and getting windy. Decided to walk North to the red light district quickly. Massive people straight north then went Left one block and found the Eros Center sign, the homeless on the street and what I assume were the brothel entrances, a strip club with a guy trying to get me in, etc. I had no interest other than just quickly walking by. I always keep my wallet in my front pocket. I also brought with me a little alarm thing that if I pull out the pin, a 120db screeching alarm goes off to scare away someone or get attention. Outside the train station was approached by a sad looking young women, I assume looking for money but was in German (dah of course), and I just ignored her.

Back to central train station went to the pickup area where Uber left me off. Further to the West was a huge parking lot full of cream taxis. I suspect its hard for them with so many folks like me taking cheaper Uber, so know the fare ahead of time not relying on a meter.

First, Uber could not find me. I am trying to type on cell, but other than in front of main Northside pick up area how to tell plus the GPS location I assume drivers can see. Saw first guy cancel but then another gave it a try. Seemed to have same location problem, and he kept texting me not in English and the phases on the app “I am here’ “where are you.” I can not type with a darn on a cell phone so erasing and often redoing in a hurry. Uber does have an excellent backup system by phone. So got him on the phone but hard to understand. Something about by McDonald's. OK went back into the train station and remembered a McDonald's sign and had been there but was a long walk. The driver was patient. Found McDonalds and exit by it. Still on the phone told him was on the way out and I kept hearing him say HI! Then I heard a voice behind me. He was chasing after me in the station behind me. Kind of funny. He was, and I appreciated his patience. Had a friend in his car teaching to be an Uber driver. I believe they were Indian by name, and their talking didn’t sound German. Back to hotel fare 7.66 E

Going to bed early instead of my usual about 4 AM so I can get up in time for hotel breakfast. Tonight will sign up for the half day trip 9:30 AM to Heidelburg on air-conditioned bus… I hope not raining. Trying to do more tourist stuff and want to try more massage places, but time soon running out.

To be continued!

 

[einar]

Vivid travelog, Dave! You're way outside your comfort zone - bravo! Don't forget us little hobbyists who never leave Toronto....

 

[Darts]

Any pics?

 

[mandrill]

I went to FKK Palas(?) in Frankfurt about 12 years ago. There was a decent 3 star hotel about 10 minutes walk away and the Metro station was a block or two outside the hotel.

I don't like Germany that much. Clean. Everybody very regimented. No one walked across the road against a red light - EVEN WHEN THERE WAS NO TRAFFIC!!! Everybody waited for the light to change to green. Everybody. The Germans just stood in a row. When I walked against the red light, there was an audible gasp and muttered "Nein!". There was no traffic. The road was empty.

There seemed to be no real downtown. Even on a warm day, no one drove with their window down and stereo playing even softly.

I left my spectacles on a side table at Palas for a few minutes and came back to find they had been taken to the lost and found at the front entrance. I had been gone for about 5 minutes. Germany!

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

It was probably FKK Palace on the North side of the city. Is not the best reviewed FKK so didn't try. It was remodeled a few years ago I understand. I agree Frankfurt doesn't seem to have a typical "downtown" area but is very spread out in various sub cities (forget the term). But scads of new skyscrapers and construction cranes most everywhere it seemed. A very dynamic city, center of finance in Germany.

I didn't note the same not cross on red, I saw lots of times, although I was more in areas where their would be many foreigners around the Central Train station, the new Skyline Mall which is huge and the huge mass of convention center buildings.

It was about 29-30C a few days ago and all the Ubers I used had air conditioning on - it was also fairly humid so I like air conditioning!

 

[kstanb]

I was in Cologne, a couple weekends ago, I went to Samya FKK

maybe I am getting old, but I just didn't like it as much as I did many years ago...

how was it??
talent was good, no question about it, as long as you are into Romanians (~90%) or other eastern Europeans... I AM

value was also great; I mean I paid 50 euros to get in, and the place had a full (decent) all you can eat buffet and all you can drink beers (cheapest lager), it also had a nice sauna (dry and steam) and a movie theater. Just going there with buddies and staying all night eating, drinking and watching beautiful semi-naked women easily paid off those 50 euros

but sex was so-so, mechanic, not up to the GFE standards we have here. Granted I paid 50 euros for each "quickie" and I reckon all ladies offered "additional services", which I declined, maybe adding them would had improved the service.

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

kstanb - Your experience Cologne very much like mine here in Frankfurt. Over the years I had some of best times with Romanians at Pure Gold strip club in Toronto. But at the FKK's too mechanical for me even with some good English skills.

Just returned from a trip to Heidelberg, nice small town, the famous university and of course the castle. They were 6 women and 1 man (Indian) with great tour guide Patricia. 3 of the women were from Canada - North of Victoria, Edmonton, and Vancouver. Cute China gal traveling all over Europe on Summer break from Univ and also teaches English in Europe. Says she can make 3 times as much money than in China, although the family doesn't see why she wants to leave China so often - was interesting.

Weather was good just windy. Storms coming in starting Monday, according to forecasts.

The tour leader mentioned may see nude sunbathers in some park areas labeled FKK. Was just accepted as the natural body as in art etc. There were quite a few snickers from the women. My view, of course, is easily getting used to and is just no big deal if it was just normal and not something to be uncomfortable about.

2 gals thought I looked familiar and wondered if I was famous When I mentioned I was 72 they were shocked saying I looked more like 50 (of course they were in their 20s!)

I am kind of women'ed out other than may try another massage or two. But kind of unwinding until I leave early Wednesday after 10 days. Great experience but for sensual enjoyment Toronto wins over Frankfurt!

 

[Patron]

Thanks Dave in Phoenix for all the fascinating information from an unbiased source.

Personally I think that Portugal is the country in Europe most like Canada in terms of a GFE experience, which generally occurs in a hotel room or an incall apartment where it is only the sex worker and the customer.

Spain has tremendous GFE if you pick the correct place and/or correct lady, but it has its share of ladies who view the experience as transactional if you pick the wrong place to go. So reading reviews in both Spain and Portugal is paramount. The United Kingdom can certainly be good, but is very expensive.

Most guys who write glowingly about Germany (particularly the FKKs) can’t wait to talk about how many girls they fucked that day. I can’t help but feel that makes its way into session performance of the ladies, particularly if a lady’s mind during a session is on getting to that one guy by the pool who said he might buy a full hour later, and she wants to get back to him before that damn Olga starts giving him a BBBJ while he is on the Lounge chair to entice him into a session.

And sometimes there is just some common sense involved. How many times has everyone here genuinely complimented an escort on her lingerie? One good-hearted Montreal escort announced on Twitter that she was giving away thousands of dollars of Victoria Secrets outfits to sex workers of a certain bra and cup size for free because she was getting her breasts augmented. There is a lot of time and effort that most escorts put into the first five minutes of the session, and my favorite in Montreal actuality surprised me half way through a two hour session by changing into a new outfit for parts of the second hour. If you create an environment where the sex workers walk around naked all day, how do you entice them to add some mystique and seduction to the sessions?

 

[einar]

2 gals thought I looked familiar and wondered if I was famous

Did you say, "Well, I'm famous on TERB"? Hope so!