Liberals hope new red book as attractive to voters as it was in 1993

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OTTAWA — The Liberals will be borrowing a high-risk page from the party's past Sunday by being first off the block with a costed platform on how they would govern if elected.

The party is treating the launch like a government budget, inviting media to a morning lock-up, followed by an online townhall meeting where viewers can ask questions of leader Michael Ignatieff.

A fully costed platform will almost certainly become a magnet for Conservative barbs. Prime Minister Stephen Harper will attempt to pre-empt the platform launch with an early morning announcement of his own.

The Liberal gambit is reminiscent of the party's successful Red Book release in 1993 -- at the time the most comprehensive election platform in Canadian history at 112 pages -- and among the earliest to be unveiled, 11 days after the writ was dropped.

Sunday's event, which comes on Day 9 of the campaign, also has a red cover, includes around 100 pages, and will focus on helping families cope in the post-recession world.

Party insiders say the platform will be as comprehensive as the 1993 Red Book and build on the measures and themes that Ignatieff has featured in the first week of the campaign. Price tags will be attached to each promise.

The document will include more detailed costing on already announced initiatives, including the $1 billion Family Care Plan, pension reform and the $1 billion aid to post-secondary students, as well as other programs.

Conservatives didn't wait for the platform release before aiming s torpedo at it.

Cabinet minister John Baird charged the Liberal promises will add about $4 billion in new annual spending while raising taxes on corporations by $6 billion.

The Liberal announcements so far amount to little more than measures that were proposed in the failed Harper budget -- the only difference being the Grit package costs more, Baird said Saturday.

"Michael Ignatieff's high tax agenda will stall our recovery, kill jobs and set Canadian families back."

The Conservatives have tried to make as much political hay out of painting Ignatieff a "tax-and-spend" Liberal as they have from the fact he has spent much of his adult life outside the country.

One Liberal insider who has seen the platform said the net final costing will be less than what the Harper government plans to spend.

Liberals say they will pay for their programs by rolling back some Conservative policies, including about $6 billion in corporate tax cuts, spending on prisons and savings from placing the fighter-jet replacement program under review.

Instead, the Liberals plan to target spending on families, students and the elderly.

"I can't give you specifics, but I can tell you we will be costing everything we will announce," said Liberal campaign spokesman Marc Roy. "We're very confident these policies will resonate from coast to coast."

With both Harper and Ignatieff taking a break from campaigning Saturday, the Liberal war room was crowing about how well the first week had gone for their leader.

Ignatieff is in his maiden federal election campaign and appears to be taking advantage of the low expectations placed on him.

"He's showing he's quite comfortable talking to ordinary Canadians, he's having events where people are not checked for their allegiances, contrary to Mr. Harper who is campaigning in a bubble and has not met a Canadian who has not been pre-screened," said Roy.

The party sent out a release re-affirming Ignatieff is still prepared to debate Harper one-one-one, an idea first floated by the prime minister but then withdrawn.

By contrast, the prime minister's first week was thrown off the key message of the economy by a series of distractions, from staffing controversies at local riding offices to media grumbling about restrictions over the number of questions Harper is willing to answer each day.

Baird rejected the assessment when asked, noting that Harper was able to visit all 10 provinces and talk about jobs and trade.

"I think the first week has gone well. You mention one or two former campaign workers, when I go door to door, the issues people are talking to me about are the economy, are jobs, health care," he said.

Meanwhile in Dartmouth, N.S. on Saturday, NDP Leader Jack Layton was twice asked about low turnouts at his events.

In an address, Layton attacked the Conservative government's treatment of veterans, promising more benefits.

The Bloc Quebecois's Gilles Duceppe, the other party leader campaigning Saturday, focused on attacking the Conservatives as enemies of Quebec. He expressed skepticism over a Conservative pledge to sign an agreement with Quebec over harmonizing the sales tax, challenging Harper to produce the accord before May 2, election day.

http://www.cp24.com/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110402/110402redbook/20110402/?hub=CP24Home
 

gymbum1

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Didn't they break almost every promise in the 1993 RED BOOK. The big one was getting rid of the GST.
 

blackrock13

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Didn't they break almost every promise in the 1993 RED BOOK. The big one was getting rid of the GST.
Not everyone. but a number were. I think it was an especially idiotic thing to call it the Red Book as it gives rise to a flashback to that exactly. Let the opposition do that and just use the book, whatever colour the cover is, as a foundation of the Liberal policy.

We had an earlier thread that had a loooong list of Conservative promises that were touted loudly, but not delivered on, so it's a common flaw.
 

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Harper is a tax and spend conservative - he should be judged on the billions for corporate bailouts, massive jails, war toys etc.

Smart for the Liberals for revealing their own platform instead of basing their hopes on Iggy's likability.
 

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We had an earlier thread that had a loooong list of Conservative promises that were touted loudly, but not delivered on, so it's a common flaw.
Problem was, the Conservatives had to compromise their promises in a Minority Parliament.

The Liberals try to have it both ways: first, they say the Conservatives refused to compromise. Then, in their next breath they say that the Conservatives would implement a vastly different agenda if they were "permitted" to do so.
 

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interesting he did n ot mention anything about cap and trade carbon credit plan evewn though it is on pg 46 of the plan.
 

blackrock13

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interesting he did n ot mention anything about cap and trade carbon credit plan evewn though it is on pg 46 of the plan.
That's because most people wouldn't understand it if he tried to. To me it's just creative book keeping and will do very little to solve the bigger problem.
 

blackrock13

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Problem was, the Conservatives had to compromise their promises in a Minority Parliament.

The Liberals try to have it both ways: first, they say the Conservatives refused to compromise. Then, in their next breath they say that the Conservatives would implement a vastly different agenda if they were "permitted" to do so.
The Conservative didn't compromise squat. If so what were the things they compromised on? They would have been more effective if they had worked in the middle ground got a track record and then claimed see we did it. As it stands they have little to boast about and have to lay claim to half truths like we created 400,000 jobs', most of which are not full time long term job and probably would have happened anyways considering the country's track record for the 10 years before the Conservative came to power.
 

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I'm worried about replacements for the F18s if the Liberals get into power.
Remember the Sea King helicopter debacle?
 

nottyboi

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I'm worried about replacements for the F18s if the Liberals get into power.
Remember the Sea King helicopter debacle?
That actually didn't work out so badly. The EH-101 that was supposed to replace the sea king had serious tail rotor flaws. The ones we did buy for SAR require about as much maint as the ancient sea kings..they are so crappy that DND went for a different helo for shipborne use... now that one is so flawed it is wayyyy behind schedule... good lord.
 

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That actually didn't work out so badly. The EH-101 that was supposed to replace the sea king had serious tail rotor flaws. The ones we did buy for SAR require about as much maint as the ancient sea kings..they are so crappy that DND went for a different helo for shipborne use... now that one is so flawed it is wayyyy behind schedule... good lord.
it did not work out so badly????? they are still flying the damn things , they are older than the cumulative age of the crews, so how is that not so badly
 

nottyboi

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it did not work out so badly????? they are still flying the damn things , they are older than the cumulative age of the crews, so how is that not so badly
So are the B-52's, and CH-47's....yet you don't hear much about those....crews are pretty young. Those helos are kept in extremely good condition. In fact the President of the United States regularly flies on the exact same helicopter type... do you think they would put the Pres in a dangerous helo?
 

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you know sometimes you know just enough to make you dangerous, the brits still use some of them as well, those and Marine 1 through 5 are much newer models of the aircraft, ours are not. They are kept in the air barely in the air by massive maintenance efforts .The aircraft were old in the 70's when I was in the armed forces that was 30 years ago.

The comparison between the B52's is close although the americans have much greater resources to maintain the aircraft, if ypu actually had a clue about what you were talking about you would relalize that the Chinook platform while designed 35 years ago there are none of that vintage in either the american or canadian fleets, they are all relativly new, in our case brand new in the Americans case they have completely rebuilt from the ground up those that are not new airframes.

The sea kings in our fleet are well beyond their effective service life and are a danger to their crews and everyone around them
 

nottyboi

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you know sometimes you know just enough to make you dangerous, the brits still use some of them as well, those and Marine 1 through 5 are much newer models of the aircraft, ours are not. They are kept in the air barely in the air by massive maintenance efforts .The aircraft were old in the 70's when I was in the armed forces that was 30 years ago.

The comparison between the B52's is close although the americans have much greater resources to maintain the aircraft, if ypu actually had a clue about what you were talking about you would relalize that the Chinook platform while designed 35 years ago there are none of that vintage in either the american or canadian fleets, they are all relativly new, in our case brand new in the Americans case they have completely rebuilt from the ground up those that are not new airframes.

The sea kings in our fleet are well beyond their effective service life and are a danger to their crews and everyone around them
Nonsense, most if the CH-47D's are rebuilt and upgraded older models. The CF Sea Kings are maintained extremely well. The are periodically stripped to the bone and essentially rebuilt. It's been quite a while since the last accident no?
 

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Regardless who gets into power we will need new fighter jets they are 35 years old.

With the jails we have 2 choices lock up bad people or let the walk the streets with us our wives, family and kids. Are we safer with bad people in jail?
 

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Regardless who gets into power we will need new fighter jets they are 35 years old.

With the jails we have 2 choices lock up bad people or let the walk the streets with us our wives, family and kids. Are we safer with bad people in jail?
Both comments are too simple and basically wrong, but that's what Harper wants you to keep doing, think but not deeply.

Yes, we need a new jet, but do we need a unproven Cadillac. We are expected to believe the cost estimates from a government that is hiding from us under the Secrets Act. Every other country involved says they will cost more, but he wants us to to believe him. When have they been right in the last 5 years on the cost of anything.

It's shown in many studies, in real life acts and reiterated by most experts, that locking people who did wrong longer and more often does little to fighting crime, but Harpo and company ignores the facts.
 

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We could purchase substantially cheaper fighters than the F-35 and they would be just fine. We don't necessarily need fancy, expensive STEALTH fighters though. Note that in the attacks on Libya none of the coalition forces are using stealth fighters.

Again it's a choice. Stealth fighters are better, but they come at the cost of increased national debt, less money for education and healthcare, less money to fix up pensions, and so on.
 
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We could purchase substantially cheaper fighters than the F-35 and they would be just fine. We don't necessarily need fancy, expensive STEALTH fighters though. Note that in the attacks on Israel none of the coalition forces are using stealth fighters.
Guess I missed the news that Israel is being attacked by coalition forces. :cool:
 
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