Let's Figure This Out!!! Provincial Budget Competition

[Goodoer]

To counteract the Doug Ford Sucks vs. Kathleen Wynne Sucks positions, what should we do?

My idea is as follows:

We start with 100% (i.e. the Ontario Budget), then we have the main (tiered) sectors of influence compete for their percentage: Health Care vs. Education vs. Infrastructure vs. Police vs. Whatever, etc. etc. etc.... The public decides the ration via a vote.

Using Education as an example and saying they've only "won" 10% of that overall budget. Knowing that they have only 10% to work with, based on the Public's vote, they have to make it work while delivering Educational benchmarks. Does that mean teachers are fired and class sizes increase? If that doesn't deliver a benchmark, does that mean we force teachers salaries down and increase the number of teachers? Do we provide A/C in the schools? Do we contract out the custodian services to the free market? Do we contract out the teaching to the free market?

We only have so much money to go around... I think we'll get where we need to be. The public will either decide to increase their tax on themselves, or the sectors will make the necessary cuts...

This is a simplistic first salvo.

Discuss!!!

 

[Frankfooter]

Cancelling cap and trade cost $3 billion.
Corporate tax breaks another $3 billion.

 

[JohnLarue]

Cancelling cap and trade cost $3 billion.
Corporate tax breaks another $3 billion.

vs, the $100-300 billion in debt racked up over compensating public sector unions in the McSuinty/ Wynne failed experiment?
This debt that will still be crippling Ontario long after you are gone

 

[Frankfooter]

vs, the $100-300 billion in debt racked up over compensating public sector unions in the McSuinty/ Wynne failed experiment?
This debt that will still be crippling Ontario long after you are gone

That's a totally wacko claim, larue.

 

[Gooseifur]

That's a totally wacko claim, larue.

He's not far off, give this a read
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blo...ased-net-debt-from-139-billion-to-338-billion

 

[Frankfooter]

He's not far off, give this a read
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blo...ased-net-debt-from-139-billion-to-338-billion

That doesn't say that Ontario's deficit is from public sector unions, it implies its a holdover from declining federal transfers.
Thanks for showing why larue is wrong again.

 

[Gooseifur]

That doesn't say that Ontario's deficit is from public sector unions, it implies its a holdover from declining federal transfers.
Thanks for showing why larue is wrong again.

It also blames the debt on the Liberals for spending recklessly. Not a glowing endorsement for the red party. Ford isn't doing much better but at least he's trying to cut, the Libs don't know the meaning of the word.

 

[Frankfooter]

It also blames the debt on the Liberals for spending recklessly. Not a glowing endorsement for the red party. Ford isn't doing much better but at least he's trying to cut, the Libs don't know the meaning of the word.

Wynne had the deficit down to about $6 billion, Ford has it back up $3 billion in one year.
How is that better?

 

[happ]

Corporate tax breaks another $3 billion.

Agree make it 6 but ur people dont do it liberals keep taxes low for certain greedy ultra hundreds-mill bill wealthy. Ndp is questionable

 

[Gooseifur]

Wynne had the deficit down to about $6 billion, Ford has it back up $3 billion in one year.
How is that better?

Moody's cut the debt rating of Ontario under Wynne then raised it back again under Ford not sure why he isn't doing that great of a job. Neither one of them did a good job tackling the debt, I will give Ford his term to make a judgement. it's not a quick fix, Wynne had plenty of time and couldn't get it done, probably one of the reasons she lost the election in a landslide.

 

[Frankfooter]

Moody's cut the debt rating of Ontario under Wynne then raised it back again under Ford not sure why he isn't doing that great of a job. Neither one of them did a good job tackling the debt, I will give Ford his term to make a judgement. it's not a quick fix, Wynne had plenty of time and couldn't get it done, probably one of the reasons she lost the election in a landslide.

That's only because Ford claimed the liberals left with a $14 billion deficit, when it became apparent they lied and it was only $6.7 billion Moody's changed their rating.

 

[Gooseifur]

That's only because Ford claimed the liberals left with a $14 billion deficit, when it became apparent they lied and it was only $6.7 billion Moody's changed their rating.

They changed their rating before that news came out I believe, Wynne was inept at dealing with the debt and so far it looks like Ford will be as well but we will see how it looks when his term is done.

 

[Frankfooter]

They changed their rating before that news came out I believe, Wynne was inept at dealing with the debt and so far it looks like Ford will be as well but we will see how it looks when his term is done.

Actually it was a dispute with the auditor on how a pension asset should be considered. The debt was never as high as reported and the auditors views frowned upon.

 

[Gooseifur]

Actually it was a dispute with the auditor on how a pension asset should be considered. The debt was never as high as reported and the auditors views frowned upon.

I agree but the rating was changed before the news of debt amount being incorrect.