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Let’s get real. The U.S. is bankrupt.

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U.S. Is Bankrupt and We Don't Even Know: Laurence Kotlikoff
By Laurence Kotlikoff - Aug 10, 2010 9:00 PM ET
Bloomberg Opinion

Aug. 11 (Bloomberg) -- Laurence Kotlikoff, an economics professor at Boston University, talks about the state of the U.S. economy. Kotlikoff speaks with Erik Schatzker on Bloomberg Television's InsideTrack." (Source: Bloomberg)
Let’s get real. The U.S. is bankrupt. Neither spending more nor taxing less will help the country pay its bills.

What it can and must do is radically simplify its tax, health-care, retirement and financial systems, each of which is a complete mess. But this is the good news. It means they can each be redesigned to achieve their legitimate purposes at much lower cost and, in the process, revitalize the economy.

Last month, the International Monetary Fund released its annual review of U.S. economic policy. Its summary contained these bland words about U.S. fiscal policy: “Directors welcomed the authorities’ commitment to fiscal stabilization, but noted that a larger than budgeted adjustment would be required to stabilize debt-to-GDP.”

But delve deeper, and you will find that the IMF has effectively pronounced the U.S. bankrupt. Section 6 of the July 2010 Selected Issues Paper says: “The U.S. fiscal gap associated with today’s federal fiscal policy is huge for plausible discount rates.” It adds that “closing the fiscal gap requires a permanent annual fiscal adjustment equal to about 14 percent of U.S. GDP.”

The fiscal gap is the value today (the present value) of the difference between projected spending (including servicing official debt) and projected revenue in all future years.

Double Our Taxes

To put 14 percent of gross domestic product in perspective, current federal revenue totals 14.9 percent of GDP. So the IMF is saying that closing the U.S. fiscal gap, from the revenue side, requires, roughly speaking, an immediate and permanent doubling of our personal-income, corporate and federal taxes as well as the payroll levy set down in the Federal Insurance Contribution Act.

Such a tax hike would leave the U.S. running a surplus equal to 5 percent of GDP this year, rather than a 9 percent deficit. So the IMF is really saying the U.S. needs to run a huge surplus now and for many years to come to pay for the spending that is scheduled. It’s also saying the longer the country waits to make tough fiscal adjustments, the more painful they will be.

Is the IMF bonkers?

No. It has done its homework. So has the Congressional Budget Office whose Long-Term Budget Outlook, released in June, shows an even larger problem.

‘Unofficial’ Liabilities

Based on the CBO’s data, I calculate a fiscal gap of $202 trillion, which is more than 15 times the official debt. This gargantuan discrepancy between our “official” debt and our actual net indebtedness isn’t surprising. It reflects what economists call the labeling problem. Congress has been very careful over the years to label most of its liabilities “unofficial” to keep them off the books and far in the future.

For example, our Social Security FICA contributions are called taxes and our future Social Security benefits are called transfer payments. The government could equally well have labeled our contributions “loans” and called our future benefits “repayment of these loans less an old age tax,” with the old age tax making up for any difference between the benefits promised and principal plus interest on the contributions.

The fiscal gap isn’t affected by fiscal labeling. It’s the only theoretically correct measure of our long-run fiscal condition because it considers all spending, no matter how labeled, and incorporates long-term and short-term policy.

$4 Trillion Bill

How can the fiscal gap be so enormous?

Simple. We have 78 million baby boomers who, when fully retired, will collect benefits from Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid that, on average, exceed per-capita GDP. The annual costs of these entitlements will total about $4 trillion in today’s dollars. Yes, our economy will be bigger in 20 years, but not big enough to handle this size load year after year.

This is what happens when you run a massive Ponzi scheme for six decades straight, taking ever larger resources from the young and giving them to the old while promising the young their eventual turn at passing the generational buck.

Herb Stein, chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers under U.S. President Richard Nixon, coined an oft-repeated phrase: “Something that can’t go on, will stop.” True enough. Uncle Sam’s Ponzi scheme will stop. But it will stop too late.

And it will stop in a very nasty manner. The first possibility is massive benefit cuts visited on the baby boomers in retirement. The second is astronomical tax increases that leave the young with little incentive to work and save. And the third is the government simply printing vast quantities of money to cover its bills.

Worse Than Greece

Most likely we will see a combination of all three responses with dramatic increases in poverty, tax, interest rates and consumer prices. This is an awful, downhill road to follow, but it’s the one we are on. And bond traders will kick us miles down our road once they wake up and realize the U.S. is in worse fiscal shape than Greece.

Some doctrinaire Keynesian economists would say any stimulus over the next few years won’t affect our ability to deal with deficits in the long run.

This is wrong as a simple matter of arithmetic. The fiscal gap is the government’s credit-card bill and each year’s 14 percent of GDP is the interest on that bill. If it doesn’t pay this year’s interest, it will be added to the balance.

Demand-siders say forgoing this year’s 14 percent fiscal tightening, and spending even more, will pay for itself, in present value, by expanding the economy and tax revenue.

My reaction? Get real, or go hang out with equally deluded supply-siders. Our country is broke and can no longer afford no- pain, all-gain “solutions.”

(Laurence J. Kotlikoff is a professor of economics at Boston University and author of “Jimmy Stewart Is Dead: Ending the World’s Ongoing Financial Plague with Limited Purpose Banking.” The opinions expressed are his own.)

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-...en-know-commentary-by-laurence-kotlikoff.html
 

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Funny, how is this "new fact" going to affect business at ESPlanner Inc.? :rolleyes:

BTW, it looks like the arms race to talk down and spread the doom and gloom on the global economy is going to the bubble phrase. Must be the new flavor of the day now that it's mainstream, just like instant gratification.
 

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U.S. Is Bankrupt and We Don't Even Know
Many economists have been saying this for years since Dubya & his DICK went wild with the US Mastercard piling all that debt on us, our kids and grandkids.

That's why GOPers need bottie, et al., to come armed with their 'smoke & mirrors' and fuzzy math to keep us all in the dark!

Remember the USA is TOO BIG to fail.....:cool:

Praise the lord and pass the OxyContin!!!
 

hinz

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Many economists have been saying this for years since Dubya & his DICK went wild with the US Mastercard piling all that debt on us, our kids and grandkids.
LOL, they just followed the Democrats turn after dot-com burst. It comes full circle now that the Democrats are in the driver seat again.

That's why GOPers need bottie, et al., to come armed with their 'smoke & mirrors' and fuzzy math to keep us all in the dark!
Nope, they come with arms, supplied by your friends at MIC. ;)

Remember the USA is TOO BIG to fail.....
Hmm...why are you still living in "BIG Fail State"?

Praise the lord and pass the OxyContin!!!
Dare to burn the Uncle Sam Bills now that they are worth-less?

Maybe if you have overdose by OxyContin but probably not a good idea to short the Americans.
 

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LOL!
You are really hooked on the GOP Kool Aid used to wash down your OxyContins, eh!....:p
 

hinz

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LOL!
You are really hooked on the GOP Kool Aid used to wash down your OxyContins, eh!....
Nope, I am just on the sideline, observing the Democrats and GOP to sell essentially same Kool Aid for their respective "clients" like yours to get high. :rolleyes:
 

WoodPeckr

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LOL!
You disguise that well!.....:rolleyes:
 

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So the IMF is really saying the U.S. needs to run a huge surplus now and for many years to come to pay for the spending that is scheduled.
Because God knows cutting spending especially in the area of entitlements is something that just simply can't be entertained!
<Bitter Irony smilie>
 

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Because God knows cutting spending especially in the area of entitlements is something that just simply can't be entertained!
<Bitter Irony smilie>
It would appear, if the numbers in the article are correct, that the US is spending twice as much as it is taking in in taxes. Seems to me to be a weak argument for tax cuts. The only real option is to cut the milirtary entitlements.
 

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It would appear, if the numbers in the article are correct, that the US is spending twice as much as it is taking in in taxes. Seems to me to be a weak argument for tax cuts. The only real option is to cut the milirtary entitlements.
Watch the howls in Canada and Denmark and many other places if the military lifting has to be done by someone other than the U.S.

The world is not a particularly safe place and there are many unfriendly animals out there in the woods. The very fact that the post W.W. II U.S. has been there has made that less apparent to many.
 

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Watch the howls in Canada and Denmark and many other places if the military lifting has to be done by someone other than the U.S.
That is a peculiar form of assback logic. The only military lifting Denmark has done, is at the request of the USA, and I can safely assure you that Denmark would not have sent any military units to the middle east if it were not for the imperial necesseties of the US.
 

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The United States is the sovereign issuer of a fiat currency. This makes it logically impossible for the United States to be bankrupt. I don't know much about this Kotlikoff, but he's either a moron or dishonest.
 

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The United States is the sovereign issuer of a fiat currency. This makes it logically impossible for the United States to be bankrupt. I don't know much about this Kotlikoff, but he's either a moron or dishonest.
Or maybe you don't know much about economics.
 

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The US is indeed bankrupt. Which is why the tea party has a good point about government spending being out of control. The US needs to stop spending!
 

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Or maybe you don't know much about economics.
No, that's not actually one of the possibilities. The U.S. dollar is a fiat currency. The United States is the sovereign issuer of that currency. I presume you don't dispute either of these facts (do you understand them? Perhaps I'm giving you too much credit). This rules out bankruptcy.
 

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Many economists have been saying this for years since Dubya & his DICK went wild with the US Mastercard piling all that debt on us, our kids and grandkids.

That's why GOPers need bottie, et al., to come armed with their 'smoke & mirrors' and fuzzy math to keep us all in the dark!

Remember the USA is TOO BIG to fail.....:cool:

Praise the lord and pass the OxyContin!!!
lol...
 

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No, that's not actually one of the possibilities. The U.S. dollar is a fiat currency. The United States is the sovereign issuer of that currency. I presume you don't dispute either of these facts (do you understand them? Perhaps I'm giving you too much credit). This rules out bankruptcy.
When governments go bankrupt it’s called “a default.” Currency speculators figured out how to accurately predict when a country would default. Two well-known economists – Alan Greenspan and Pablo Guidotti – published the secret formula in a 1999 academic paper. That’s why the formula is called the Greenspan-Guidotti rule. The rule states: To avoid a default, countries should maintain hard currency reserves equal to at least 100% of their short-term foreign debt maturities. “The minimum benchmark of reserves equal to at least 100% of short-term external debt is known as the Greenspan-Guidotti rule. Greenspan-Guidotti is perhaps the single concept of reserve adequacy that has the most adherents and empirical support.”

So how does America rank on the Greenspan-Guidotti scale? It’s a guaranteed default.

The Federal Reserve has already monetized nearly $2 trillion worth of Treasury debt and mortgage debt. This weakens the value of the dollar and devalues the existing Treasury bonds. Sooner or later, their creditors will face a stark choice: Hold U.S. bonds and continue to see the value diminish slowly, or try to escape to gold and see the value of their U.S. bonds plummet.
 

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When governments go bankrupt it’s called “a default.” Currency speculators figured out how to accurately predict when a country would default. Two well-known economists – Alan Greenspan and Pablo Guidotti – published the secret formula in a 1999 academic paper. That’s why the formula is called the Greenspan-Guidotti rule. The rule states: To avoid a default, countries should maintain hard currency reserves equal to at least 100% of their short-term foreign debt maturities. “The minimum benchmark of reserves equal to at least 100% of short-term external debt is known as the Greenspan-Guidotti rule. Greenspan-Guidotti is perhaps the single concept of reserve adequacy that has the most adherents and empirical support.”

So how does America rank on the Greenspan-Guidotti scale? It’s a guaranteed default.

The Federal Reserve has already monetized nearly $2 trillion worth of Treasury debt and mortgage debt. This weakens the value of the dollar and devalues the existing Treasury bonds. Sooner or later, their creditors will face a stark choice: Hold U.S. bonds and continue to see the value diminish slowly, or try to escape to gold and see the value of their U.S. bonds plummet.
Admittedly I haven't read their paper, but I presume Greenspan and Guidotti meant debt denominated in foreign currencies, as otherwise their formula wouldn't make sense. U.S. foreign debt is not denominated in foreign currencies.
 

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Admittedly I haven't read their paper, but I presume Greenspan and Guidotti meant debt denominated in foreign currencies, as otherwise their formula wouldn't make sense. U.S. foreign debt is not denominated in foreign currencies.
The U.S. holds gold, oil, and foreign currency in reserve. The U.S. has 8,133.5 metric tonnes of gold (it is the world’s largest holder). That’s 16,267,000 pounds. At current dollar values, it’s worth around $300 billion. The U.S. strategic petroleum reserve shows a current total position of 725 million barrels. At current dollar prices, that’s roughly $58 billion worth of oil. And according to the IMF, the U.S. has $136 billion in foreign currency reserves. So altogether… that’s around $500 billion of reserves. America short-term foreign debts are far bigger.
 

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The U.S. holds gold, oil, and foreign currency in reserve. The U.S. has 8,133.5 metric tonnes of gold (it is the world’s largest holder). That’s 16,267,000 pounds. At current dollar values, it’s worth around $300 billion. The U.S. strategic petroleum reserve shows a current total position of 725 million barrels. At current dollar prices, that’s roughly $58 billion worth of oil. And according to the IMF, the U.S. has $136 billion in foreign currency reserves. So altogether… that’s around $500 billion of reserves. America short-term foreign debts are far bigger.
Foreign currency reserves only matter for debt that is denominated in foreign currencies. How much U.S. debt is denominated in foreign currencies? I suppose it's probably greater than 0, but not by much.
 
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