Seems like Led Zeppelin has blatantly plagiarized many a song, note for note, rift for rift, word for word. I was aware that many groups, the Stones, the Beatles often covered other groups songs but eventually produced masterpieces of their own. Zeppelin however took plagiarism to the extreme, taking from American blues artist, Joan Baez and others and getting away with it for a long time, including " Stair Way to Heaven" . The arrogant thieving bastards took in hundreds of millions of dollars pretending that the music was of solely of their own making. Zeppelin and Atlantic Records have had numerous legal battles with the original artists. Jimmy Page is an excellent cover guitarist, Plant and excellent cover vocalist. An interest read is found in Bloomberg's May 19-24, 2014. Howard Stern had a show exposing the plagiarism, playing the original followed by the Zeppelin theft. WTF, I still listen to them and enjoy, but much less so as I like originals. This is like finding and enjoying a beautiful lady for years and years, thinking that she was all natural only to find that all this time she has been surgically enhanced masterfully, all over. I hate implants. The song no longer remains the same for ZOSO IMHO.
Led Zeppelin tainted legacy
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You just finding this out now? This is sooooo old news man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdr8PtUPIPo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&feature=iv&src_vid=zTz_iX_L0VA&v=JyvLsutfI5M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zThdTAWQFAQ
Fuck at least the Stones stated right off the bat their influences and gave credit to the actual songwriters. Page is an arrogant prick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdr8PtUPIPo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&feature=iv&src_vid=zTz_iX_L0VA&v=JyvLsutfI5M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zThdTAWQFAQ
Fuck at least the Stones stated right off the bat their influences and gave credit to the actual songwriters. Page is an arrogant prick.
I'd say the Stones were worse, as a matter of fact. The Stones ripped off broke blues musicians, while Zeppelin just ripped off irksome Baroque hippies.Fuck at least the Stones stated right off the bat their influences and gave credit to the actual songwriters. Page is an arrogant prick.
Which is all fine and good, I agree with you many of these songs were worth listening to.So what if they used other peoples songs. They made them worth listening to.
The right thing to do here is to give a proper song writing credit to the original author. To pass off the song as solely your own is the crime here. Plagiarism of the first order.
They still would have made millions of $$$$. They might have given some forgotten blues performer a second career and be heralded as Champions of Tradition by a generation of music fans.
But they wanted the glory for themselves and not have to share royalties with anyone else.
Selfish. Thoughtless and disrespectful of other fellow musicians.
Much more so seeing that these were musicians they admired so much in the first place they sought to emulate them musically.
All musicians take their inspiration from elsewhere.
We all do it.
Anyone in any sort of a creative profession takes his or her inspiration from elsewhere.
Zeppelin did it, the Beatles did it, the Stones, etc.
At the end of the day, Zeppelin is a huge creative force in music that cannot be denied.
I've listened to "Taurus" by "The Spirit" (whom I've never heard of till now) and yeah, there sounds like there are about 4 notes that are the same as Stairway to Heaven. But that's about it. Whether that constitutes plagiarism or not is arguable at best.
I heard Randy Bachman one time on Q107 talking about one of the Guess Who's songs that the TV show Law and Order sampled for its famous riff. Randy stated that by law, you can sample X number of notes (can't remember what that number was, but it wasn't a lot. Like maybe 5). Law and Order sampled exactly 1 note less and therefore didn't have to pay Bachman anything (and we all have seen how he's mouthed off about Burton Cummings lately (buried the hatchet, but left the handle sticking out of the ground))
We all do it.
Anyone in any sort of a creative profession takes his or her inspiration from elsewhere.
Zeppelin did it, the Beatles did it, the Stones, etc.
At the end of the day, Zeppelin is a huge creative force in music that cannot be denied.
I've listened to "Taurus" by "The Spirit" (whom I've never heard of till now) and yeah, there sounds like there are about 4 notes that are the same as Stairway to Heaven. But that's about it. Whether that constitutes plagiarism or not is arguable at best.
I heard Randy Bachman one time on Q107 talking about one of the Guess Who's songs that the TV show Law and Order sampled for its famous riff. Randy stated that by law, you can sample X number of notes (can't remember what that number was, but it wasn't a lot. Like maybe 5). Law and Order sampled exactly 1 note less and therefore didn't have to pay Bachman anything (and we all have seen how he's mouthed off about Burton Cummings lately (buried the hatchet, but left the handle sticking out of the ground))
Don't be stupid.. the Stones ALWAYS gave credit to the original songwriters.. Even invited them to perform on shows they were guests off back in the day in a way to tell 60s white american kids: "Hey this is who we listened to.."I'd say the Stones were worse, as a matter of fact. The Stones ripped off broke blues musicians, while Zeppelin just ripped off irksome Baroque hippies.
So what if they used other peoples songs. They made them worth listening to.
I think Zeppelin changed any inspirational songs so much that they all sound different. But I will watch Ed Thomas' video.
(George Harrison plagiarized My Sweet Lord to some extent).
Led Zeppelin has given those artists credit after the fact including paying compensation like to Willie Dixon. I've seen credits to Dixon on their re-released CDs. There is the odd blues song that Zeppelin covered and properly credited. They've come clean now. Zeppelin is still one of the most influential rock bands in history, and has influenced so many hard rock and metal bands including even Rush.I wonder why the Kennedy Centre decided to honor Zeppelin recently since the truth has been revealed?
You just finding this out now? This is sooooo old news man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdr8PtUPIPo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&feature=iv&src_vid=zTz_iX_L0VA&v=JyvLsutfI5M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zThdTAWQFAQ
Fuck at least the Stones stated right off the bat their influences and gave credit to the actual songwriters. Page is an arrogant prick.
Yes, the Stones are a great, iconic band but I'd rather see Led Zeppelin any day.
I also think that John Henry Bonham was the heart of that band, not Jimmy Page (who was the brain). Bonham may not have been as technically endowed as Carl Palmer or Neil Peart but he had more heart and soul. Nobody is as powerful (when I saw Aerosmith the other year, that drummer's solo was so John Bonham-like).
no way, the Beatles didnt do it the stones didnt do it...........there are no websites dedicated to their "rip offs".......but Led Zeppelin ?..countless................im a huge fan of blues and R/B and soul, specifically from the 50,s and 60, and i can tell you with out a doubt Zeppilin are rip off artists, plain and simple, without any credit to any of the old Bluesmen........a fuckin, second rate band, and for me , and i speak solely for my self, their music is unlistenable...whew im glad i got that off my chest...All musicians take their inspiration from elsewhere.
We all do it.
Anyone in any sort of a creative profession takes his or her inspiration from elsewhere.
Zeppelin did it, the Beatles did it, the Stones, etc.
At the end of the day, Zeppelin is a huge creative force in music that cannot be denied.
I've listened to "Taurus" by "The Spirit" (whom I've never heard of till now) and yeah, there sounds like there are about 4 notes that are the same as Stairway to Heaven. But that's about it. Whether that constitutes plagiarism or not is arguable at best.
I heard Randy Bachman one time on Q107 talking about one of the Guess Who's songs that the TV show Law and Order sampled for its famous riff. Randy stated that by law, you can sample X number of notes (can't remember what that number was, but it wasn't a lot. Like maybe 5). Law and Order sampled exactly 1 note less and therefore didn't have to pay Bachman anything (and we all have seen how he's mouthed off about Burton Cummings lately (buried the hatchet, but left the handle sticking out of the ground))
that may or may not be true...but they shamelessly "borrowed" Chuck Berry,s Sweet Little Sixteen, and re invented it to Surfin USA..........without any shout out to Berry..the beach boys ripped off Charles Manson who was a struggling artist who befriended the beach boys before he turned mass murderer
this topic is frosting my ass.................again , Harrison was found guilty of lifting a song by the Chiffons, called He,s So Fine...........there is no "to some extent"about it...he paid a settlementI think Zeppelin changed any inspirational songs so much that they all sound different. But I will watch Ed Thomas' video.
(George Harrison plagiarized My Sweet Lord to some extent).
easy to do when your hand is in the cookie jar...............and BTW....there is a difference between covering a song, and lifting, melodies, guitar riffs, and then going on with your life pretending that your not a rip off artist..Led Zeppelin has given those artists credit after the fact including paying compensation like to Willie Dixon. I've seen credits to Dixon on their re-released CDs. There is the odd blues song that Zeppelin covered and properly credited. They've come clean now. Zeppelin is still one of the most influential rock bands in history, and has influenced so many hard rock and metal bands including even Rush.
They only gave him credit AFTER he took them to court.. Not out of their own sense of 'goodness'. (not that they had any to begin with)Led Zeppelin has given those artists credit after the fact including paying compensation like to Willie Dixon. I've seen credits to Dixon on their re-released CDs.
Only because they HAVE to.They've come clean now.
Still does not excuse it...Zeppelin is still one of the most influential rock bands in history, and has influenced so many hard rock and metal bands including even Rush.
So did you watch those links? Or just avoided them due to your Zep love?
I didn't mean to sugar coat it. Have you heard the original? It doesn't sound the same. In any event, it's not just Led Zep who are guilty, being my point.this topic is frosting my ass.................again , Harrison was found guilty of lifting a song by the Chiffons, called He,s So Fine...........there is no "to some extent"about it...he paid a settlement
They only gave him credit AFTER he took them to court.. Not out of their own sense of 'goodness'. (not that they had any to begin with) Only because they HAVE to. Still does not excuse it...
So did you watch those links? Or just avoided them due to your Zep love?
I will watch them when I have time later (you're too presumptuous my good fellow). I didn't say they did it out of love. Willie Dixon sued, yes. In any event, I still think Led Zep is one of the greatest rock bands, regardless. They wrote so many other songs. They aren't famous for just Whole Lotta Love, etc. To me, they re-invented the wheel.
