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http://us.cnn.com/2013/05/13/politics/irs-conservative-targeting/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

The IRS also applied extra scrutiny to applicants with statements that "criticize how the country is run" or that sought to educate the public on how to "make America a better place to live" -- designations that would have included conservative political groups looking to apply for 501(c)(4) status.

Ain't that nice... :rolleyes:
And people wonder why Americans don't trust their government...
 

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The Obama administration does not tolerate dissent.....

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This is well on its way to becoming a major brouhaha. To mention just one point when you have the Commissioner of the IRS providing false information under oath to Congress in response to direct questions on this point, and it now comes out that IRS Headquarters knew at the time he testified what was going on in the Non-Profits Division, either those who lied to him need to be fired and the appropriate legal charges filed, or Congress needs to cite him for Contempt of Congress.
 

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Articles of Impeachment of the President

Article 2

Using the powers of the office of President of the United States. . . .He has, acting personally and through his subordinates and agents. . . cause[ed], in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigations to be intitiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner.
 

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Interesting Article:

After Benghazi, IRS tea party probe: Govt seized AP phone records


Exactly ten days ago, President Barack Obama was piously telling reporters who cover him that free speech and an independent press are “essential pillars of our democracy.” On Monday, the Associated Press accused his administration of undermining that very pillar by secretly obtaining two months’ worth of telephone records of AP reporters and editors.

“We regard this action by the Department of Justice as a serious interference with AP’s constitutional rights to gather and report the news,” AP President and Chief Executive Officer Gary Pruitt wrote in a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder.

The latest revelations are sure to pour fuel on the fire of Republican-driven Richard Nixon comparisons. They come in the wake of revelations that the IRS may have improperly scrutinized the tax-exempt status of conservative, tea party-linked groups. This might, in order words, not be a great time to announce a groundbreaking trip to China.

And the news threatens to pile fresh political woes on a second term already burdened by a painful gun-control defeat, a seemingly stalled economic agenda, and Republican rage at the botched response to the Sept. 12, 2012 terrorist attack that killed four Americans in Benghazi, Libya.

The revelations that the Justice Department may have sought AP phone records drew an angry response from Republican House Speaker John Boehner's office. “The First Amendment is first for a reason. If the Obama Administration is going after reporters’ phone records, they better have a damned good explanation," said Boehner spokesman Michael Steel.

And Laura Murphy, a top American Civil Liberties Union official in Washington, D.C., condemned "unwarranted surveillance" of the press and urged Holder to explain what transpired "so that we can make sure this kind of press intimidation does not happen again.”

Holder was expected to face questions on the issue when he appears Wednesday before the House Judiciary Committee.

A spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Columbia did not answer a question from Yahoo News on whether other news outlets had been targeted. The spokesman, Bill Miller, did not confirm the AP allegations, but insisted in a statement that "we take seriously our obligations to follow all applicable laws, federal regulations, and Department of Justice policies when issuing subpoenas for phone records of media organizations."

Pruitt, in his letter to Holder, fiercely disagreed.


He said that the Justice Department had obtained telephone records for more than 20 separate phone lines assigned to the AP -- the world's largest wire service -- and its journalists. The records cover a two-month span in early 2012 and cover phones lines for AP in New York City, Washington D.C., Hartford, Conn., and one line at the AP workspace in the House of Representatives.

"This action was taken without advance notice to AP or to any of the affected journalists, and even after the fact no notice has been sent to individual journalists whose home phones and cell phone records were seized by the Department," Pruitt wrote.

"There can be no possible justification for such an overbroad collection of the telephone communications of The Associated Press and its reporters," Pruitt wrote. "These records potentially reveal communications with confidential sources across all of the newsgathering activities undertaken by the AP during a two-month period, provide a road map to AP’s newsgathering operations, and disclose information about AP’s activities and operations that the government has no conceivable right to know."

Pruitt called it "particularly troubling" that the Justice Department "undertook this unprecedented step without providing any notice to the AP, and without taking any steps to narrow the scope of its subpoenas to matters actually relevant to an ongoing investigation."

In his statement, Miller said DoJ regulations "require us to make every reasonable effort to obtain information through alternative means before even considering a subpoena for the phone records of a member of the media."

And "we must notify the media organization in advance unless doing so would pose a substantial threat to the integrity of the investigation," he said. "Because we value the freedom of the press, we are always careful and deliberative in seeking to strike the right balance between the public interest in the free flow of information and the public interest in the fair and effective administration of our criminal laws."

An Associated Press news story on the Justice Department's actions noted:

The government would not say why it sought the records. U.S. officials have previously said in public testimony that the U.S. attorney in Washington is conducting a criminal investigation into who may have leaked information contained in a May 7, 2012, AP story about a foiled terror plot. The story disclosed details of a CIA operation in Yemen that stopped an al-Qaida plot in the spring of 2012 to detonate a bomb on an airplane bound for the United States.

A former spokesman for Holder's Justice Department, Matthew Miller, took to Twitter to rebuke journalists and underlined that Republicans called for investigations into the leaks.

Ever since the days of his history-making 2008 presidential campaign, Obama has repeatedly cast himself as a champion of open government and reform. Aides are fond of praising "the most transparent administration in history" -- a moniker that might be accurate, but mostly because of poor standards set by his predecessors. It's like being the most powerful cricket team in Alaska.

And the Obama administration has not been shy about taking steps to deny Freedom of Information Act requests on national security grounds.

Just ten days ago, on May 3, Obama noted during a visit to Costa Rica that it was "World Press Freedom Day."

"So everybody from the American press corps, you should thank the people of Costa Rica for celebrating free speech and an independent press as essential pillars of our democracy," he said.

On Monday, Obama was scooping up cash for Democrats in New York City. His spokesman, Jay Carney, referred questions about the AP letter to the Justice Department.

"We are not involved in decisions made in connection with criminal investigations, as those matters are handled independently by the Justice Department," Carney said.
 

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Govt seized AP phone records
The investigation is legitimate, however, what should be an absolute last resort - by the DOJ's own policy, was apparently taken as almost the very first step. That is highly troubling particularly since by DOJ policy such this type of subpoena request requires the approval of the Attorney General.
 

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Stewart nailed it. His point about how it just fed all the Alex Jones of the world who believe the government is out to get them is the big point not being mentioned among the major news outlets.
Because as the expression goes "Just because your paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't really out to get you."
 

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Because as the expression goes "Just because your paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't really out to get you."
Nixon was paranoid and the press was still out to get him, Obama has had a lapdog press and yet his skin is so thin he's still paranoid.... second terms are not for the faint of heart - clearly the re-election honeymoon is over.

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He won't be impeached.Bush got away with numerous crimes, including war crimes, and so did half his cabinet.Read this and prove to me legally why these folks are mistaken in their case.

http://www.amazon.ca/The-Case-Impeachment-Argument-President/dp/031237254X

The IRS tried to stop a bunch of Klan members from getting tax free status....whoopie.It's threatre and little else.....though I do smell Rove back to work.This is smarter then we've seen from the B team for two years.
 

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It's obviously not good. Question is whether it was just seriously stupid or actually malicious.

Did they have data leading them to believe there was higher tax evasion among political groups?

Acting on that information would lack political sensitivity but is the kind of stupid a bureaucracy can be.

Or did they get specific direction from political actors to go after the other guy?

Either way some really poor decision making but if it was data driven then at least it wasn't willful interference, just perhaps negligent management.
 

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It's obviously not good. Question is whether it was just seriously stupid or actually malicious.
I suspect a bit of both. Most likely some minor-management folks decided to give tea party folks are hard time because of dislike for their politics. So far there has been no reports of any "data driven" cause. Let's see if the investigations started by Holder and others reveal anything. But so far it looks like some harassment to say the least.
 

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The IRS tried to stop a bunch of Klan members from getting tax free status....whoopie.It's threatre and little else.....
It's also illegal. And as Stewart alluded to, it now validates to a degree claims from the right-wing conspiracy theorists that the government is out to get them.
 
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