killing off a breed

[Naai]

http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20041015-002/page.asp

this angers me like you wouldnt believe!!! rather than force new owners to take training and courses in the breed of the dog along with proper safety precautions like muzzels the government has decided to make the breed illegal and hope that this law will in turn kill off the entire breed.

ive own a pit bull and had friends who own pitt bulls and never had any problems...

however i did once meet a vicious chihuaua... or however you spell it.

uhh this story and law makes me mad as hell.

the toronto humane society has 178 dogs currently 152 of which are pitt bulls.. and unfortunately if not adopted before the ban takes place these poor dogs will die.

 

[y2kmark]

Pitt Bulls

I agree it's a shame, in the case of this breed it's owners and not the dogs themselves that are to blame. But if people insist on breeding them and having them to fight then outlawing ownership is preferable to the current situation. There are plenty of other breeds and dogs with no breed in particular - a lot of them are destroyed every day no matter how you slice it.

 

[big dogie]

I don't like the breed myself............. but this is so wrong and the idea is one from a person who knows nothing about dogs ..this has to be stpped!!!

b d

 

[zydeco]

I understand your anger Sky. I had one as well and he was a smart, harmless and loyal pet. However, I think the ban is the proper way to go. Let's face it, there are just too many irresponsible people out there who breed and own these animals for the wrong reasons. Your point about the vicious chihauhua is well taken, however, a crazed chihauhua isn't capable of tearing a child in half.

 

[Tugger]

There is NOTHING! wrong with the dogs...Its the people who think that they can handle the breed.

You have to be a certian kind of person to control and dominate a breed like a Pit Bull.

 

[rama putri]

We exterminate so many more whole species in the world everyday. Banning breed of dog is not equivalent to killing off a breed. I like the dogs myself. My roomie in university had one and he was the most likeable dog I've met. Will lick you death. But, as always, it's the bad apples that kill the fun for everyone. That's life. Remember this is a democracy and majority rules.

 

[happygrump]

Beagles and bloodhounds are bred to track.

Retrievers are bred to hunt and retrieve.

Pointers are bred to point.

Greyhouds & whippets are bred to race.

Pit bulls are bred to fight.

To say there's nothing wrong with the dogs is mistaken. An owner, no matter how well-meaning and intelligent, simply cannot undo thousands of years of instinct and breeding.

In short, you can take the bull out of the pit, but you cannot take the pit out of the bull.

Yes, cocker spaniels also bite. So do rottweilers. So do chocolate labs. So do poodles. But pit bulls suffer the ignomy of being bred to fight and attack, unlike the other species.

I agree, it's a shame that a lot of innocent animals will be euthanized. But, frankly, if it's a choice between that and the shredded body of a child, it's no contest.

 

[rama putri]

I agree, it's a shame that a lot of innocent animals will be euthanized.

Wait a second. I thought this was a ban - not a cull of existing dogs. Clarification required.

 

[Tugger]

Pit bulls are bred to fight.

To say there's nothing wrong with the dogs is mistaken. An owner, no matter how well-meaning and intelligent, simply cannot undo thousands of years of instinct and breeding.

All dogs no matter what breed are pack animals. A pack Animal can always be dominated. If they are not dominated they will dominate. A dominate person can control a Pit Bull.

So i will say it again, there isn't anything wrong with the dogs, its the people who own them.

 

[torex]

I agree that it is the owners of these dogs that make them more vicious than they really are although the inbreeding over many years have caused pitbulls to be so unpredictable.

I think before they out right ban the dogs , a muzzle and leash law would have been a better first step.

 

[Hugger]

........so maybe we should put down the owners and let the dogs run free?
c'mon look at the numbers. I am a dog lover, I've bread, raised and trained dogs and I'm sorry, PBs have been carelessly cross bread for so long that they have become an unpredictable breed. Arguments of the heart can be made, but can't win over scientific/medical fact.

 

[Garrett]

Face it... pit bulls have a disproportianate record for attacking people. A lot of the people owning them have issues as well... they want the power. Just like I do not want handguns lying on the sidewalk, I do not want extremely powerful unpredictable dogs walking down the street that are either overbred or have incompetent owners. I have seen dog owners that have been overpowered by their dogs (grown men.. I am not talking 95 lb women) and it is a frickin scary thing. I have also seen what bunch of bull mastiffs will do when someone attempts to attack their owner... I think people are fooling themselves when they think they can reliably control/dominate that kind of power...

 

[torex]

quote from the Sun

The ban would be phased in over three months once legislation is passed. After that , no pit bulls can be bred, sold, imported or possessed in Ontario.

Existing pit bulls are exempt from the ban under a grandfathering provision, but must be neutered or spayed and muzzled and leashed in public.

I think this is a fair approach

last week I saw a young teenage girl by the gov'nt housing projects who of course thinks she is a badass ghetto girl basically being dragged down the street by her pitbull. this is where the problem starts. We have owners who can't control their animals,if this dog decided to snap this girl would'nt be able to do a thing......simple soloution.....muzzle the dog once it steps foot outside,even if its in the backyard. these dogs can leap fences quite easily.

 

[tboy]

YAAAAAAAAAAAA FINALLY someone has decided to do something about pitbull and similar breeds.

If this ban saves ONE child from being injured or killed or ONE adult then this is the correct thing to do.

Pitbulls are NOT a necessary factor in life. There are hundreds of other animals that are safer that you can have.

PB lovers have to realize something: Mankind BRED these dogs for one reason, now it is time to correct that mistake. It is not like these are natural breeds that evolved over time. Come on people, is owning a Pitbull or similar dog SO important in the big scheme of things? Sheesh.....

I compare this to banning cigarettes in bars and restaurants (since I smoke). It is a pain in the ass but what the hell, it is really no big deal.

If owning a pitbull is so friggin important to you, move to a city/state/country that allows ownership.

 

[Jade4u]

I have just read so much about this breed it is saddening. I have heard a story of how a woman had a pit bull trained to fight and was also a hardened criminal and let the dog lose on the police officers and the one officer almost died from the attack. This left the other officers no choice but to harm the animal. It is happening quite frequently people are using this breed for the wrong purpose and if the only way to stop this is to put a ban on breeding them I would have to agree that they do this.

Also I have heard of them just as a family pet and people tripping or falling or fainting etc.. and in an instance the animal will even attack and dismember its own owner. A child just cutting the neighbors grass is no excuse to be attacked by an animal as well. I do not think this type can be trained as well as a lab to protect it is just not in its breeding. I love animals all animals. But facts are facts we cannot control the owners of the animal nor can we erase instincts of an animal. There are animals that just are not meant to be pets. Maybe there are a few that the owners can honestly say they have no problems with and have complete control of but I am also sure that a few owners that thought they had a perfect pet as well would now say otherwise.

As long as they are not going to go destroy ones already in existance and just stop the breeding of this animal I see no problem.

 

[kat19]

true that the problem may lie with the owners, but think if you had a little child and it was attacked by a pitbull and seriouslty injured or even killed, you would probably have wished there was a ban before that could have happened.

 

[tzahal]

Let's face it, there are just too many irresponsible people out there who breed and own these animals for the wrong reasons. .

you would be corrdect in this statement if you had it say



lets face it, there are too many irresponsible people out there who breed and own ANY DOGS for the wrong reasons. and thoses reasons include making a buck with a dog that these breeders know should be put down in the first few months when they see they are biters. its not just with the pitt bull breed. its with ALL breeds.

 

[tzahal]

PB lovers have to realize something: Mankind BRED these dogs for one reason, now it is time to correct that mistake. It is not like these are natural breeds that evolved over time. Come on people, is owning a Pitbull or similar dog SO important in the big scheme of things? Sheesh.....

[edited by moderator] but.....pitt bulls were bred to help nanies hear the babies in england in the big houses. they would come get the nannies when they baby was crying.

then they were bred to fight other dogs in a pitt. BUT they also knew they had to stop fighting when a human entered the pit. or else they were put down just as fast.

its like asking if owning an s.u.v. is so important over a car when oil and gas are so expensive right now.

sheesh

 

[tboy]

[edited by moderator] YOu just repeated exactly what I said, albeit you added the part about the nannies?

[edited by moderator] How is a dog supposed to "know" that they have to stop fighting when a human entered the pit if they were put down if they didn't stop? Oh I know....one pit bull about to enter the pit: Hey, look, charlie didn't stop fighting and they killed him! I better not do THAT....LOL RIIIGHT,

Oh and Kiarra? I love animals too and if everyone would read the details of the proposed law you would see that "no animals will be allowed to reproduce" and that "no one will be forced to put down their dog". Sure, animals already in the pound will be put down, but that isn't just pitbulls, thousands of animals are put down everyday because they don't get adopted.

banning pitbulls is no different than the law banning the ownership of exotic animals such as lions, tigers and alligators etc.

I will repeat: If owning a non-spayed or neutered pitbull is SO damn important to you move somewhere where they AREN'T banned. As a democratic society we've decided we want to reduce the risk of someone else getting killed by one of these animals. If YOU want to live in a society that allows this risk to continue, then exercise your right and move to one. EOS!

 

[tzahal]

[edited by moderator] YOu just repeated exactly what I said, albeit you added the part about the nannies?

[edited by moderator]How is a dog supposed to "know" that they have to stop fighting when a human entered the pit if they were put down if they didn't stop? Oh I know....one pit bull about to enter the pit: Hey, look, charlie didn't stop fighting and they killed him! I better not do THAT....LOL RIIIGHT,

[edited by moderator] that is what these dogs werebred for. and they knew when a human entered the pit the fight was over. yes...thats how smart these dogs were. hard to believe? not really.

the few that didnt got put down...like a responsible breeder should have done and did do. YOU said these dogs were bred for one reason. i say you have no clue what you are talking about.

[edited by moderator]

and the part about the nanies was THE prime reason for breeding them. thats is how smart and gentle these dogs can be...and most still are.