Just a few facts on the past 11, almost 12 years of Liberal government

HenrySenior

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http://www.torontosun.com/2014/05/12/hudak-vows-to-pull-the-plug-on-wind-power

The following are prepared by one of the Toronto Sun readers.


Green Energy Act (20 billion)

eHealth scandal (almost 2 billion)

Gas plant scandal (1.1 billion theft and cover-up of our tax
dollars)

Deleting e-mails

ORNGE scandal (700 million)

Ontario Northland Railway scandal (820 million)

Caledonia Hydro Line scandal (116 million)


Lobbyist scandal (two multi-million dollar scandals)

Eco-Fee Reversal scandal (18 million)

CancerCare Ontario scandal (millions of dollars)

Slush Fund scandal (32 million)

Niagara Falls Commission scandal

Ontario Power Generation scandal

Children’s Aid Society scandal


Nanticoke Coal Power Plant Shutdown scandal

G20 Secretly Approved Police Power scandal

Auto Insurance scandal

Foreign Scholarships scandal (our students pay the highest tuition in Canada while foreign students get free university educations)

Offshore Wind Turbines scandal

Samsung scandal (sole-sourcing)


Pan Am scandal (cost increase from 1.4 to 2.5 billion)

MPAC scandal (over and under-valuation of properties)

OLG scandal (millions of dollars)

Isotape Shortage scandal

Chemotherapy Dosage scandal

Payout for Pan Am CEO (250 million)

Trillium Wind Power and Sky Power Limited lawsuit (500 million)

Cement company lawsuit (275 million) - Quarry outside Hamilton was scuttled for political reasons

School bus service lawsuit

Augusta/Westland lawsuit as it pertains to ORNGE

Elliot Lake Collapse lawsuits (two lives lost due to recovery delays)

Ontario Medical Association lawsuits - applied to Superior Court alleging McGuinty not negotiating in “good faith”


Breast Screening scandal (ensuing lawsuits due to thousands of misread mammograms, one life lost)

Class-action lawsuit for autism funding cancellation

Over 650 new agencies, boards, commissions and entities such as LHIN's and CCAC's

Over 300,000 new public servants many of whom, are on the sunshine list

Public sector employment in health care increased by 39%

Public sector employment in social services increased by 39%


Public sector employment in education increased by 34%

Paying more Liberal taxes only to receive fewer services as taxes now being spent to pay the salaries and perks of newly-assigned, Liberal-friendly public servants

Gutted our manufacturing base (job growth across Canada except in Ontario)

Nearly one million Ontarians now out of work

Increased spending by 80% while our economy grew by only 9%

More than doubled our debt to 288 billion


Running a 11.3 billion annual deficit

Debt servicing costs will rise from 11.4 billion today to 14.5 billion once the debt exceeds 300 billion by 2017-18

Interest payments on our debt now the third largest budget expenditure after health and education

Task Force on Competitiveness, Productivity and Economic Progress confirmed that McGuinty’s Green Energy Act grossly underestimated the cost to consumers and overestimated the number of new jobs that would be created

Tax collectors getting 45,000.00 severance packages for switching job titles from provincial to federal


Two ministries under an OPP criminal investigation - ORNGE and gas plant scandals

Pharmacy war

Illegal green taxes

Increased smart meter, electricity, hydro, tuition and car insurance costs

Implemented tire tax, electronics tax, eco fee, health premium (tax), WSIB tax increase, HST, beer surtax

Failing grade on ADHD education

Ranking the lowest of all provinces for fiscal performance


Delisting eye exams, physiotherapy, chiropractic care, diabetic strips, etc.

Increasing wait time for cataract surgery

No longer covered for eye exams yet taxpayers paying for sex changes

Wait time for nursing home bed tripled

Failure to disclose elevated radiation levels

OES missed its collection and recycling targets by 59%


Not correcting the foreign ownership of our beer market

Acceptance of garbage striker extortion

Harassing labour inspectors

Kowtowing to green energy lobbies

Imposing blood alcohol rules that punish people who are not impaired

Public utilities donating to Liberals

Voting to cover up the Niagara Parks Commission scandal


Emergency room wait times not meeting provincial targets

Put on notice by Standard and Poor, credit rating downgraded, under a very serious credit watch

Have-not province for the first time in Canadian history

Borrowing more debt than any province except NB

Dramatic cuts in health care services in schools

Nurses getting bonuses despite a wage freeze

Insufficient senior homecare services


Failing grade of Family Responsibility Office

Abstained from vote to investigate CBC expenses

Cash kickback scheme involving government cleaning contracts

Talked about a two-year freeze on wages for public sector while previously giving the OPP a 5% wage
increase - the OPP received another raise of over 8% in January, 2014

Energy now unaffordable yet we must pay Quebec and some north-eastern States to take our surplus energy


Encouraging farmers to build small-scale solar projects but having no way to connect them to the power grid

Laid up in US hospital beds as no beds available in Ontario

Refusing public inquiry into G20 fiasco

Giving those who hire only newcomers a 10,000.00 tax credit

Third highest user of food banks


Announced pay freezes knowing that 38,000 were getting a 3% salary increase after the election

Hiding hospital errors from the public

Teachers skipping classes to assist with anti-Conservative campaign

Failing grade in northern forestry management

Almost 40 C. difficile deaths to date

Loss of 6,500 cancer patient health records

Highest rent increase rate in years

Ignoring evidence that wind turbines can cause poor health

Workers at eHealth suing for not receiving bonuses

Liam denied eye care that another child is receiving under OHIP

Ontarians pleading for their lives or dying because they aren’t getting the health care they need

Lady with a brain tumor denied help to cover costs which costs are covered in Manitoba

Electricity rates to rise 42% over five years

Prior loss of 60,000 jobs in the horse racing industry – now attempting to correct this

Presto

Ring of Fire

Cleaning kick-back scheme that ended with the conviction of three persons (two of whom were employed by
Wynne’s ministry at the time …)

Muslim prayers allowed in our publicly-funded school system while the Lord’s Prayer has been banned
 

groggy

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How many of those 'scandals' are just programs or decisions you don't agree with?
 

guelph

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This is list is typical Conservative bullshit list.

made up of false statements and incorrect comparisons
 

elmo

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This is list is typical Conservative bullshit list.

made up of false statements and incorrect comparisons
OP was pretty specific, any chance of you doing that or are you only capable of vague generalities and insults?
 

JohnLarue

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How many of those 'scandals' are just programs or decisions you don't agree with?
Well tell us, how many are truly scandals?
All of that long list, half, six, just two

of coarse claiming none would render you very biased and discount the value of what you say
 

JohnLarue

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How many of those 'scandals' are just programs or decisions you don't agree with?
Well tell us, how many are truly scandals?
All of that long list, half, six, just two

of coarse claiming none would render you very biased and discount the value of what you say
 

Moviefan-2

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Not everything on the list meets the definition of a "scandal" ("scandalous" is another matter).

Still, it highlights that the Liberal record is quite damning.
 

K Douglas

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Is our economy better off than what it was when they took over in 2003?
I dont think much has to be said here. Abysmal failure. Ontario is a have not province for the first time in this Confederation's history.

Is our education system better off than what it was when they took over in 2003?
I think you can make an argument for and against this. For - teacher morale is higher. Then again why wouldn't it be, they are some of the most generously compensated teachers on the planet. Overall international test scores for Ontario students are up vs. OECD with the exception of math where our student scores have declined every year under the Liberals. I also support the Liberal approach to early childhood education - contrary to many it is not a glorified babysitting service. We are starting to see some benefits of this investment. High school dropout rates have also been significantly reduced. Against - they have thrown wads of money into education added thousands of education jobs yet we have seen an overall decline in student enrollment. Have they instituted any benchmarks w.r.t. value for money? My guess is NOT. They also simplified the high school curriculum which has led to the reduced dropout rates and lower math test scores. But by far the worst education policy has to be the failure to hold students back a grade if they are not meeting minimum standards.

Is our health care system better off today than it was in 2003?
No it's not despite what the Liberals will say about wait times yadayadayada. Where the Liberals have failed miserably are on these key points
- electronic health records. We all know about the E-Health scandal and the wasted $$ but 11 years later we are still woefully behind other countries in this aspect.
- family health teams. This has created just another level of bureaucracy and family doctors are more burdened than ever with paperwork. As such wait times to see a family physician are ridiculous.
- wait times to see specialists. Have gotten progressively worse under this regime.
- efficiencies in the system. They have not addressed any of the problems with public health in general. Patient collaboration efforts are still poor. Can you believe in this day and age a patient still has to physically go and retrieve their radiological images from one institution and bring them to another if those two institutions are not part of the same LIN? The failure in electronic health records area has not helped.

Fiscal management
Since 2004 the Grits have more than doubled Ontario's debt to a staggering $288 billion Our net debt-GDP ratio is worse than California! Now I realize that a good chunk of that is due to externalities but they haven't done anything to alleviate the problem. They have wasted billions of taxpayer dollars on failed green energy policies and scandal after scandal. A major failure of this regime no doubt.

Given this I cannot see how anyone would want to vote for these clowns. I'd have more respect for someone if they voted NDP at this point. Wynne is almost a dipper anyway ;)
 

Polaris

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This is list is typical Conservative bullshit list.

made up of false statements and incorrect comparisons
How is that list bullshit?

All that is list is, it is a list of Liberal government initiatives rolled out over the past decade.

Some of those initiatives worked out well, some did not obviously. Some people were happy, some were not regarding these items from the government.

That the Wynne Liberals is choosing to run the current election on the promises contained in their budget revealed this month, that is all we need to know.

They are running on their new promises, and avoid mentioning their decade long record.
 

james t kirk

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Most of that list is Bullshit.

For example, the Ontario Northland Railway? Really?

It's a railroad that's been owned by Ontario for more than 100 years. Ontario subsidizes GO Transit, shouldn't residents of Northern Ontario have similar transportation infrastructure as the south?
 

Carvher

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If this party gets re-elected, there may not be any jobs left at all for our kids. The entire liberal/socialist movement doesn't realize that all wealth is created by the private sector. I personally don't give a fuck anymore as anything I say falls on mostly deaf ears and I'll make my money either way. I only care about our kids and their future.
 

groggy

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If this party gets re-elected, there may not be any jobs left at all for our kids. .
No, you're confusing the libs with the cons.
Its the cons that are going to lay off probably 16% of teachers and doctors to do their 100,000 layoff plan.
 

FAST

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No, you're confusing the libs with the cons.
Its the cons that are going to lay off probably 16% of teachers and doctors to do their 100,000 layoff plan.
Of coarse you can provide some evidence of his intention of laying off 16% of doctors,...

Now 16% of teachers,...that is obvious ,...I was hoping for more though.

FAST
 

oldjones

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OP was pretty specific, any chance of you doing that or are you only capable of vague generalities and insults?
No he was not at all specific.

Here's just the very first example;
HenrySenior said:
Green Energy Act (20 billion)
He's not even specific enough to include something as basic as a $, to tell us what that number is, let alone what it covers. If it was additional costs beyond 'standard' rates that might mean something, but if it was all-in and included electricity we had to produce or buy elsewhere then it would be exaggerated.

Now look at population: 20 billion divided by 13.5 million Ontarians comes out to 1500 (we don't know 1500 what) but if that's dollars over a year that means the average Ontario family is paying $6000 for wind and solar, but if its over 50 years (HenrySenior didn't say) then it's just $5 per month. And for all any of us know (from Henry's number) they'd be spending that or more for 'conventional' nuclear, gas or coal).

But the most obvious and glaring lack of specific and necessary details is where these numbers came from in the first place. That's such an ordinary elementary bit of truthfulness, we learn it on the playground, and that its absence means be suspicious. Like when the salesman says 'gets 110mpg'.

However you look at it, like most of the list, it's so unspecific in so many ways that it is meaningless.
 
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