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Just 800,000 worshippers attend a Church of England service on the average Sunday

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The Church of England attracts fewer than 800,000 worshippers to its churches on a typical Sunday, according to new estimates yesterday.
Numbers in the pews have fallen to less than half the levels of the 1960s, the count showed.
The signs of continuing decline in support for the CofE follow census evidence of a widespread fall in allegiance to Christianity, with numbers calling themselves Christian dropping by more than four million in a decade.



The Church's figure for 'usual Sunday attendance', the method used since the 1930s to measure congregations, found CofE churches had 795,800 worshippers on Sundays in 2012. The numbers were 9,000 down on the previous year.

They indicate that repeated efforts by the Church to modernise its services and its image - through a series of modern language rewrites of its prayer book, attempts by its leaders to appeal to supposed public concern with poverty, and efforts to make its government more efficient - have not succeeded in drawing young people.
Its report yesterday said that research had shown 'there is no single recipe for growth; there are no simple solutions to decline', adding 'the Church must retain its young people if it is to thrive.'

Dr Bev Botting, the Church's research chief, said: 'These statistics for 2012 show that weekly attendance over the past decade has not changed significantly. The introduction of cleaner data and more rigorous methodological approaches and analysis means these figures provide a clearer picture of Anglican churchgoing in the decade to 2012.'
Church officials abandoned the 'usual Sunday attendance' method of counting as their main measure of congregations in the late 1990s after is showed numbers in the pew had dwindled below a million. It now uses for the headline figure 'average weekly attendance', which takes in people who come to churches on days other than Sunday.
The weekly figure averaged 1.05 million in 2012, showing 'no significant change over the past decade.'
According to the 2011 national census, the number of Christians fell by 4.1 million over 10 years to 33.2 million - of whom only a third go to church except for wedding, baptisms or funerals.
The census found a 45 per cent rise over the same 10 years in numbers who say they have no religion, to 14.1 million in 2001.
The decline of religion is at its fastest among young people. Nearly a third, 32 per cent, of those under 25 said on their census forms that they had no religious belief.


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Lovehobby

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Henry VIII started downhill slide :)

Religion = ignorance whether Christian Jew Islam Hindu Buddhist Shinto or any other. Unscientific drivel.
 

blackrock13

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Henry VIII started downhill slide :)

Religion = ignorance whether Christian Jew Islam Hindu Buddhist Shinto or any other. Unscientific drivel.
Not withstanding that through history some of the seat of great learning were also the centres of great religions. Knowledge and religion have gone hand in hand for centuries, but truth and the real world have never been one of your long suits.
 

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Henry VIII started downhill slide :)

Religion = ignorance whether Christian Jew Islam Hindu Buddhist Shinto or any other. Unscientific drivel.
But much of the King james Bible is the equal of anything Shakespeare wrote. And the sacred music of Purcell, Handel and others has enriched far more folks than the hypocritical oppressions of churches ever hurt.

There isn't an institution people have created that they have not perverted, or that they will soon enough. Imagining you see things clearer because you stuck your own ignorant inaccurate label somewhere just proves the race is still mired in unthinking short-sightedness. Which we call drivel.

As for unscientific, look up phlogiston and the eminent know-it-alls who thought it—and proved it—the god particle of its day. Science, like religion, is just how we poor prejudiced humans try to make sense of the tiny bit of the universe we imagine we know a bit about.

When your science has anything to teach as useful, profound, convincing or insightful as the golden rule, then you can make a case that religion's of no further value.

But you and we have a long, long way to travel before that day.
 

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Not withstanding that through history some of the seat of great learning were also the centres of great religions. Knowledge and religion have gone hand in hand for centuries, but truth and the real world have never been one of your long suits.
great learnings are not results of religion
 

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great learnings are not results of religion
Actually, great learning was generally acomplished in spite of religion. Remrmber Galileo???
 

blackrock13

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great learnings are not results of religion
Back in the day, during medieval times, through the known world, the most educated segment in society was the clergy. They were often the only people who could read and write, let alone know anything about mathematics, medicine, astronomy, and others sciences of the day. In the Renaissance period many of the leading teachers were educated in religious institutes. Once again, you're blowing smoke out your ass.
 

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Actually, great learning was generally acomplished in spite of religion. Remrmber Galileo???
He was but one, but there many others who were bang on In the same field there was Copernicus and Keplar, along with Paracelsus, Purbach, Vesalius, Luthor, Erasmus, William Harvey, Nicolus Tulp, Thomas More in other various fields.
 

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Back in the day, during medieval times, through the known world, the most educated segment in society was the clergy. They were often the only people who could read and write, let alone know anything about mathematics, medicine, astronomy, and others sciences of the day. In the Renaissance period many of the leading teachers were educated in religious institutes. Once again, you're blowing smoke out your ass.

and back in those same days the common people where purposely kept illiterate and before the reformation people were banned from owning bibles. in the late Roman Empire. Libraries were burn along with thier content by Christians after the religion became official. did you forget those events?


"As the Western Empire died, it left behind it empty cities with marble ruins lying like great skeletons, at their centres. Slowly the population was transformed into separate and modest nations of small farms and savage armies. There was little international trade and almost total illiteracy."

– John Romer, Testament, p244.

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/dark-age.htm
 

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and back in those same days the common people where purposely kept illiterate and before the reformation people were banned from owning bibles. in the late Roman Empire. Libraries were burn along with thier content by Christians after the religion became official. did you forget those events?


"As the Western Empire died, it left behind it empty cities with marble ruins lying like great skeletons, at their centres. Slowly the population was transformed into separate and modest nations of small farms and savage armies. There was little international trade and almost total illiteracy."

– John Romer, Testament, p244.

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/dark-age.htm
no comment on the discussion here, but you quote an anti-christian author to actually discredit christianity? lol... can't find your own resources to support your argument i guess, but then again this type of stuff has been your M.O. ever since you been posting on this board lol
 

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no comment on the discussion here, but you quote an anti-christian author to actually discredit christianity? lol... can't find your own resources to support your argument i guess, but then again this type of stuff has been your M.O. ever since you been posting on this board lol
sources are listed at the bottom of the page

Sources:
Charles Freeman, The Closing of the Western Mind (Heinemann, 2002)
Henry Hart Milman, The History of the Jews (Everyman, 1939)
John Julius Norwich, Byzantium (Viking, 1988)
Fridrich Heer (ed) The Fires of Faith (Newsweek 1970)
Dan Cohn-Sherbok, The Crucified Jew (Harper Collins,1992)
Leslie Houlden (Ed.), Judaism & Christianity (Routledge, 1988)
Norman Cantor, The Sacred Chain - A History of the Jews (Harper Collins, 1994)
Hugh Trevor Roper, The Rise of Christianity (Thames & Hudson, 1965)
Frank Delaney, A Walk in the Dark Ages (Collins, 1988)
David Chidester, Christianity- A Global history (Allen Lane, 2000)
Robin Lane Fox, Pagans & Christians (Viking,1986)
John Moorhead, Ambrose (Longman, 1999)
 

blackrock13

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and back in those same days the common people where purposely kept illiterate and before the reformation people were banned from owning bibles. in the late Roman Empire. Libraries were burn along with thier content by Christians after the religion became official. did you forget those events?

"As the Western Empire died, it left behind it empty cities with marble ruins lying like great skeletons, at their centres. Slowly the population was transformed into separate and modest nations of small farms and savage armies. There was little international trade and almost total illiteracy."

– John Romer, Testament, p244.

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/dark-age.htm
Why would people want to own Bibles if they couldn't read, doorstops? Libraries were sacked by many nations and cultures, not just the Christians. When the Guttenburg press was perfected, the Bible was one of the first books to be print in great numbers.
 

blackrock13

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no comment on the discussion here, but you quote an anti-christian author to actually discredit christianity? lol... can't find your own resources to support your argument i guess, but then again this type of stuff has been your M.O. ever since you been posting on this board lol
sources are listed at the bottom of the page

Sources:
Charles Freeman, The Closing of the Western Mind (Heinemann, 2002)
Henry Hart Milman, The History of the Jews (Everyman, 1939)
John Julius Norwich, Byzantium (Viking, 1988)
Fridrich Heer (ed) The Fires of Faith (Newsweek 1970)
Dan Cohn-Sherbok, The Crucified Jew (Harper Collins,1992)
Leslie Houlden (Ed.), Judaism & Christianity (Routledge, 1988)
Norman Cantor, The Sacred Chain - A History of the Jews (Harper Collins, 1994)
Hugh Trevor Roper, The Rise of Christianity (Thames & Hudson, 1965)
Frank Delaney, A Walk in the Dark Ages (Collins, 1988)
David Chidester, Christianity- A Global history (Allen Lane, 2000)
Robin Lane Fox, Pagans & Christians (Viking,1986)
John Moorhead, Ambrose (Longman, 1999)
In other words, no you can't. Those are Romer's sources. Have you read any of them?
 

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sources are listed at the bottom of the page

Sources:
Charles Freeman, The Closing of the Western Mind (Heinemann, 2002)
Henry Hart Milman, The History of the Jews (Everyman, 1939)
John Julius Norwich, Byzantium (Viking, 1988)
Fridrich Heer (ed) The Fires of Faith (Newsweek 1970)
Dan Cohn-Sherbok, The Crucified Jew (Harper Collins,1992)
Leslie Houlden (Ed.), Judaism & Christianity (Routledge, 1988)
Norman Cantor, The Sacred Chain - A History of the Jews (Harper Collins, 1994)
Hugh Trevor Roper, The Rise of Christianity (Thames & Hudson, 1965)
Frank Delaney, A Walk in the Dark Ages (Collins, 1988)
David Chidester, Christianity- A Global history (Allen Lane, 2000)
Robin Lane Fox, Pagans & Christians (Viking,1986)
John Moorhead, Ambrose (Longman, 1999)

snippets of details gathered from different sources to place in a book that agrees with your opinion which you conveniently cite, and it can be easily rebutted from the other side from different sources what progress christianity may have contributed to civilization for that matter. but types like you just lump together stuff, go along with it and generalize, im not going to argue your anti-religion thread, im just pointing out your thinking

a lot of these scholars you point out were not even questioning the existence of God, they were questioning the authority of the church
 

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Not withstanding that through history some of the seat of great learning were also the centres of great religions. Knowledge and religion have gone hand in hand for centuries, but truth and the real world have never been one of your long suits.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz
 

Lovehobby

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Why would people want to own Bibles if they couldn't read, doorstops? Libraries were sacked by many nations and cultures, not just the Christians. When the Guttenburg press was perfected, the Bible was one of the first books to be print in great numbers.
And helped keep the world in Darkness for a.n extra 1000 years.

Lets tell Galileo the sun goes around the Earth again.
 

blackrock13

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snippets of details gathered from different sources to place in a book that agrees with your opinion which you conveniently cite, and it can be easily rebutted from the other side from different sources what progress christianity may have contributed to civilization for that matter. but types like you just lump together stuff, go along with it and generalize, im not going to argue your anti-religion thread, im just pointing out your thinking

a lot of these scholars you point out were not even questioning the existence of God, they were questioning the authority of the church
Shhhhhh, he'd actually have to read them to know that and we have learned in the past he doesn't do that.
 
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