Jewish Business Vandalized.

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But they spray painted Palestine so it must be okay (or at least that' what Franky has said repeatedly).
 
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There are already a thousand threads and a million posts about the Israel-Hamas war, so I start one on what is happening in our own backyard.
 

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12,000 children killed and you think this is bigger news or more important?
It isn't bigger news but the conflict won't be resolve thousands of miles away from Gaza...you want to achieve ceasefire? call out Hamas to release hostages and stop terrorizing their neighbors....their way doesn't work...they have brought more death to palestinians than the terrorist settlers in West Bank....
 

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But anti-Zionism is not antisemitism.
 

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Yes anti-Zionism is not antisemitism.

Even in this particular case, not sure what was said. It could have just been an argument, in which case it is not antisemitism. Heck the guy on the bike could have been Jewish. Afterall, every argument with a Jewish person is not antisemitic, unless something antisemitic is actually said. That is like me saying that if a white guy argues with me, he is being racist. It is only racist when something racist is said or done.
"spat on the victims and made anti-Semitic comments".
 
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Yes anti-Zionism is not antisemitism.

Even in this particular case, not sure what was said. It could have just been an argument, in which case it is not antisemitism. Heck the guy on the bike could have been Jewish. Afterall, every argument with a Jewish person is not antisemitic, unless something antisemitic is actually said. That is like me saying that if a white guy argues with me, he is being racist. It is only racist when something racist is said or done.
Hamas doesn't pick between zionist and jews...so anybody defending their actions, that includes calling for ceasefire supports their goals to annihilate all jews, not just zionists...
 
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Yes anti-Zionism is not antisemitism.

Even in this particular case, not sure what was said. It could have just been an argument, in which case it is not antisemitism. Heck the guy on the bike could have been Jewish. Afterall, every argument with a Jewish person is not antisemitic, unless something antisemitic is actually said. That is like me saying that if a white guy argues with me, he is being racist. It is only racist when something racist is said or done.
what’s the difference what was said. Your friends have targeted Jewish areas, Jewish stores and merchants and Jewish individuals. What does any of that have to do with Zionism. Your attempts to defend or excuse the indefensible and inexcusable are really quite pathetic.
 
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I am not talking about vandalizing Jewish stores or merchants. If they were targeted for being Jewish, then it is antisemitic. If antisemitic racist words were used, it is antisemitic. But not every conflict with a Jewish person is antisemitism. This could have just been an argument between 2 people when the guy spat at them and said something. We just don't know what was said or why.
You may wish to look up the definition of disengenuos. We are not talking about every act of vandalism etc. we are talking about pro Hamas or pro Palestinian demonstrations that specifically target Jewish areas, stores, merchants etc. yes those are antisemitic.
 
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If the the guy is gloating and cheering at the deaths of Palestinian children, he does deserve a slap. Not for being Jewish. For being a racist asshole. Infact, I think anyone laughing, cheering and making light of this genocide against the Palestinian population deserves it.



I responded to your comment, which was a response to the post where a guy apparently had an argument with 4 Jewish guys.
Slapping is a battery whether or not you like a person’s politics.

Did you actually read the article you posted about, the attacker was spewing antisemitc insults, it wasn’t an argument. Jeez how hard could it be to simply say that an unprovoked attack is wrong.

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More fucking thuggery from the Pro-Palestinians.

Woman in Toronto wakes to find her car, bearing an Israeli flag sticker, vandalized
Story by National Post Staff • 3h

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A clip from a home security camera shows one of two vandals breaking the car's windows.

A clip from a home security camera shows one of two vandals breaking the car's windows.© Provided by National Post

A Ukrainian immigrant is in shock after she awoke Tuesday morning to find her car vandalized, its windows broken and its tires punctured. The vandals did not attempt to take anything. The Toyota has a small Israeli flag sticker on the back bumper.
“I feel that I’m in Germany in 1937,” Victoria Adamov told the National Post. “It’s like a time machine.”

Adamov was born in Ukraine and lived in Israel for 10 years before coming to Canada in 2000. She lives on a quiet cul-de-sac near Dufferin and Steeles just north of Toronto with her husband, her 13-year-old son, and two pets. It’s an area she describes as “mixed-culture” and not a Jewish neighbourhood.
“I know for sure I’ve been targeted,” she said. “Somebody came just for my car. And for us, obviously.”
Footage from her home security camera shows a dark car driving up to the house at 3:27 a.m. Two figures in masks and hoods hop out, quickly and calmly break the Toyota’s windows, then return to their vehicle for a tool that they use to puncture the tires before driving away. The crime takes less than a minute.


Adamov didn’t hear anything, and only learned of the incident when a neighbour who was walking her dog texted her later that morning. Adamov called York Regional Police, and the Hate Crimes Unit is now investigating.
“We’re all in shock,” she said. “When I came to Canada over 20 years ago I couldn’t realize we would face a real pogrom … in Canada, where everybody used to talk about multiculturalism and love to each other.”
She added: “Never ever have I experienced so much antisemitism as I’m experiencing now.”
Adamov said that when Russia attacked Ukraine in 2022, she put a Ukrainian flag on her car in solidarity. “And it was absolutely no problem. But as soon as I identify myself as belonging to Israel, here is the problem.”
She added that it was difficult to put her feelings into words. “It’s hard to verbalize my feelings, my fear. And I’ve never been a fearful person. I’ve always stood for the right thing on the right side of history. But today I am scared.

“Because they know my address, I don’t know what to expect tomorrow. Maybe somebody will come during the night and set my house on fire. Maybe somebody will wait for me in the park when I’m walking the dog. Honestly I’m shaken. I don’t know how can we leave the house, how can we go somewhere. I don’t know how to live, how to breathe. We are in shock.”
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 The vandals broke all the windows on the car but took nothing.

The vandals broke all the windows on the car but took nothing.
Adamov said she feels singled out by the attack, adding that she’s never engaged in arguments online, or done anything that would make enemies.
“I think it’s pointless to argue with people who have different opinions,” she said. “I didn’t have any conflicts. I just had an Israeli flag sticker on the back of my car.”

She feels that Canada is not doing enough to safeguard the safety of its citizens.
“As long as our Prime Minister doesn’t say anything, it will be worse, and it’s getting worse by the minute. They used to talk about Islamaphobia all the time but nobody’s talking about antisemitism, nobody says it’s zero tolerance to anti-Semitism. What are they waiting for? Till somebody will be murdered?”
She added: “I want my voice to be heard. This nonsense must be stopped. High levels of government must act now. Tomorrow it’s going to be too late.”




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I am more curious how that car window broke by just touching it. Was that a gun?
So that's all that concerns you regarding this act of terrorist vandalism against a Jewish civilian in Toronto who had done nothing more than show support for Israel with a bumper sticker?

Wow. Talk being oblivious to the domestic aggression and violence being carried out by the pro-Palestinian protesters.

And you're looking for sympathy for what's going on in Gaza? Good luck with that... :ROFLMAO:
 

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See? You played right into my trap. I just wanted to show how little concern you actually have for human life. 😂

When you consider a car window being broken as a bigger issue than children being slaughtered and people being mass murdered in Gaza. And you are looking for sympathy for Israel? Good luck with that. 😂
Wow. That's some trap, except that I have made no attempt at equivalence between one act of vandalism in Toronto and what is happening in Gaza.

So if I knew where you live, and since I do know how little sympathy you feel for Israel given Oct. 7, I guess it would be ok for me to go to your place in the middle of the night and vandalize your home or car? Or fire-bomb your business?

Tell me, Kautilya, are you a first generation Canadian? Do you even consider yourself Canadian, or do you primarily consider yourself Indian? Or do you just feel oppressed in living our white primarily Christian society?

How would you feel about English Common Law being replaced by Sharia law in Canada, because that is the ultimate desire of many of the Islamic radicals here, and in many other primarily Christian countries where radical Islamists have managed to gain a foothold.

Poland is not wrong when they say "no Muslim immigrants allowed"! As for me, in Canada, I have no problem at all with Muslim immigrants except for the fact that imbedded in them are radicals such as the small but very vocal minority of radicals that we are seeing disrupting our normal civilized life as Canadians. As far as I am concerned those radicals should be arrested and deported, especially if they are not already citizens of Canada.

And most Canadians, even those who sympathize with the Palestinians, are rapidly losing that sympathy due to the violent and disruptive actions of the pro-Palestinian protesters in our country.
 

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Of course you did. You brought up Gaza and said we cannot expect you to have sympathy for Gaza if we did not have sympathy for a....car window? 😂

I am a first generation Canadian. I however consider myself Indian first, Canadian next. And I am a Catholic myself (or was rather raised as one), so why will I feel oppressed in a predominantly Christian nation ?

I have no issues with Sharia being incorporated into Muslim personal issues. Its in the law in India and we call it "Muslim personal law", and so far no Indian I have talked to feels oppressed by it. And I dont care what the Muslim radicals want, since they are such a small inconsequential number of people. I am more concerned with white nationalist MAGA supporting radicals, some of whom you can even find on this board spewing vitriol every chance they get.

Those people rioting are not radicals. That is like saying the people who rioted during George Floyd are radicals. It is the nature of these types of divisive issues to sometimes get out of hand. Shouldn't happen, but sometimes it does. You should also pay attention to the hate crimes that have increased against Muslims in Canada lately. You know perpetrated by actual racist radicals.

No it wouldn't be okay. But if this happened in the 1940s, and if it was the house of someone who was a German guy who expressed support for Nazis, then I wouldn't blame you.

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Thanks for being honest in your answers.

I'm a third generation Canadian. My grandparents were born in Ukraine. My parents were born in Canada, as was I. I identify as being a Canadian much more than being a Jew. Perhaps because in truth I'm an atheist.

Or perhaps my being a less visible minority has something to do with it?

I wonder if your self-identification might change if you were a third generation Canadian?

Would I live in Israel? Not a chance. But I still support it as being a homeland for any displaced Jew who ever was, or whoever might be in the future. "Those who forget the past, etc., etc."

Sharia Law scares the poop out of me. Even more so if I was deemed an infidel and prosecuted or just persecuted for it, or was gay, or even just a female.

As far as the rest of it, we'll just have to continue to gentlemanly disagree...
 
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