Jeff Kent to announce retirement at 40 - HOF Player?

hunter001

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I have heard he isn't well liked, so it might be hard for him to get votes.
 

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The fact that he was in a fight in the dugout with his team mate Barry Bonds should be enough to get him in.
 

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I would say no, but after looking at his stats, they are very similar to Jim Rice’s. The fact that Kent was a second basemen makes his numbers even more impressive.
 

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Offensively he was a dangerous player and he played most of his career at 2B, but he also played 1B and 3B which adds to the stats. Defensively, to say he was adequate is generous. Like Rice, and especially Tony Perez, I dont believe they deserve the HOF.
 

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stever said:
Offensively he was a dangerous player and he played most of his career at 2B, but he also played 1B and 3B which adds to the stats. Defensively, to say he was adequate is generous. Like Rice, and especially Tony Perez, I dont believe they deserve the HOF.
he played over 2000 games at 2B, 284 total elsewhere. You do have to consider him a 2B. He is on the bubble, but was such an a**hole I hope he doesn't get in. If he does, maybe he can go in with Bonds? That would be a fun induction.;)
 

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stever said:
Offensively he was a dangerous player and he played most of his career at 2B, but he also played 1B and 3B which adds to the stats. Defensively, to say he was adequate is generous. Like Rice, and especially Tony Perez, I dont believe they deserve the HOF.

...this is my thinking. And I decided yesterday to do just a tad bit of research.


Ryne Sandberg
http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/sandbry01.shtml

Jeff Kent
http://www.baseball-reference.com/k/kentje01.shtml


Now, I think it is well documented around here that I am a big Ryne Sandberg fan, and felt he was the most deserving person missing from the HOF until he was inducted, obviously.

Now, the first "myth" of sorts that perhaps should be busted is that Kent was "barely" a second baseman. In fact, in his 2300 game career, he played 2000 games at 2B. I think that is enough that we can just think of him as a second baseman, and it is not significantly different than the 2000 games Sandberg played at second base out of a 2100 game career.

However, there is NO disputing the Jeff Kent couldn't carry Sandberg's glove out to 2nd base. Not only do we know this intuitively from watching, but the stats bear it out...Kent had a lower fielding percentage and displayed less range. Really glaring is the fact that Sandberg had nearly 800 more assists at 2B in 40 fewer games....but committed only 56% of Kent's errors.

We don't need Sandberg's nine to zero Gold Glove count to tell us who was the better fielder.

The thing is though....while Kent's almost 100 home runs and 450+ RBI advantage in only one additional season would seemingly make him a total overdog with the stick (including a 50 point career slugging average edge), he wasn't. He only averaged 15 more total bases per season, and 5 points on his batting average.

And from a HOF analysis stand point Kent has NO Black Ink (Sandberg only had 14 points, while the average HOF player has 27, but hey, he played 2B), only 71 Gray Ink points versus Sandberg's 134, and his HOF Monitor ratings is 122.5 in comparison to Sandberg's 157.5. It is only with the HOF Standards metric where Kent has a 50.9 to 41.9 edge.

By these measures, it does in fact seem that Sandberg was the more HOF worthy player. And he barely made it in.

Hmmm....add steroid era bias (though I don't think anyone ever accused or even suspected Kent used PEDs) and Mr. Kent could be in for a LONG wait.

Again, personally, I could live with him never getting in. I always thought of Kent as a 3rd baseman playing 2B (and poorly at that)....another player who, like Rice (not to pick on Jimbo again) only helped his team when he had a bat in his hand.
 
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Maybe not the Baseball HOF ...........

but Kent deserves to be in some sort of HOF with that porn-stache. He ranks right up there with former MLB'ers Dennis Eckersley, Rafael Palmeiro, Mike Piazza, Keith Hernandez, Pat Borders, etc. Jason Giambi with his on again-off again 'stache is on the bubble. :p
 

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I was always a fan of Kent's since he came up with the Jays, hated to se him traded for Cone but it did get us a World Series.... he was ellite as ellete gets, if I had a vote it would be yes

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arthurfonzerelli said:
Well, Sandberg didn't really "barely" get into the HoF. He got 49.2% of the vote in his first year of eligibility, and it only took two more years to get in.
Kent ain't no Ryne Sandberg, but he belongs.
But if Sandberg wasn't first ballot, Kent sure as hell isn't either.
 
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