Jamaica bans Bible preaching on commuter buses

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Jamaica's public transport authorities have banned lay preachers from addressing commuters in public buses.

Jamaica is a predominantly Christian country, but many passengers have complained about the noise and disturbance.

Drivers have been instructed to politely warn religious ministers that they are no longer allowed to evangelise fellow passengers.

Preachers say the decision infringes freedom of speech and religion.

"I am all for evangelising, but they cannot use the bus as their platform," Hardley Lewin, managing director of the Jamaica Transit Company Limited said.

He told The Gleaner newspaper that commuters resent being a captive audience.

"I think this is what makes the bus an attractive mobile church. I suppose you cannot just get off because you have spent your money," said Mr Lewin.

Correspondents say lay ministers - many of them Christian evangelicals - have accepted the decision for now, but may decide to challenge it by citing Jamaica's constitution, which inludes the right "to manifest and propagate his religion".

Prominent evangelical pastor Herro Blair said preachers should have approached the public transport company before embarking on attempts to evangelise commuters.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-20320492

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Germany: Muslims Impose Pork Bans in State Nurseries and in Rental Contracts
11:55 | Posted by Cheradenine Zakalwe

Kiel. A nice currywurst or a few crispy Wiener sausages at mid-day – this is something more and more children at state nurseries have to do without. The reason: in many day nurseries there are children from Muslim families, and as, according to Islamic belief, pork is seen as impure, consuming it is not “halal” (allowed) and thus forbidden.

Particularly in nurseries on the east bank, where the proportion of Muslim children is especially high, bratwurst and meatballs are offered exclusively in chicken and beef versions. “Generally we don’t have pork, as we have lots of children from an immigrant background. There were attempts to incorporate pork into the menu but it provoked irritation among the parents,” confirms Regina Baumann, director of the Marienwerder Straße nursery in Kiel-Wellingdorf.

There were also objections to ribs and schnitzel on the west bank in the Goethestraße nursery. "The parents didn’t want it. Otherwise we would have had to cook extra for Muslim children,” explains director Oliver Kaiser. He estimates the proportion with an immigrant background at just ten per cent.

The Sternschnuppe nursery in Gaarden opposite the HDW shipyards is also a pork-free zone, as is the Evangelical nursery Michaelis in Hassee. Before, when the proportion of Muslim children was not as high, there were “two meals”, recalls Ulrike Krauel from the Office for Schools, Nurseries and Youth Institutions. “But because the chicken and pork sausages were of different sizes, we had problems explaining that to the children”. Then pork was axed, especially in districts like Gaarden and Mettenhof.

But the pork ban doesn’t apply just in nurseries. Now it seems the currywurst clause also plays a role when searching for rental accommodation, as ever more homes on the west bank are being taken over by Muslims. According to this newspaper’s information, an Afghan landlord close to the Sultan market in Elisabethstraße is offering homes with the condition of no pork meat.

In view of the scarcity of accommodation on the west bank, this prohibition represents a culinary challenge especially for students looking for accommodation. The problem: while not a few Kiel politicians in the Muslim dominated district of Gaarden would have nothing against a certain gentrification, the new property owners themselves, through clauses such as this, are acting to prevent a mixing of the population structure.

Until now the so-called Islam clause has provoked controversy mainly in the rental of commercial property across Germany; now Muslim landlords are seeking to assert it even in homes in Gaarden. But in contrast to commercial rentals, this rule is not legitimate, as Jochen Kiersch from the Kieler Tenant’s Association confirms: "That is not permitted and renders a rental contract invalid."
 

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Jamaica's public transport authorities have banned lay preachers from addressing commuters in public buses.

Jamaica is a predominantly Christian country, but many passengers have complained about the noise and disturbance.

Prominent evangelical pastor Herro Blair said preachers should have approached the public transport company before embarking on attempts to evangelise commuters.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-20320492

http://islamversuseurope.blogspot.ca/2012/11/germany-muslims-impose-pork-bans-in.html

Germany: Muslims Impose Pork Bans in State Nurseries and in Rental Contracts
11:55 | Posted by Cheradenine Zakalwe

Kiel. A nice currywurst or a few crispy Wiener sausages at mid-day – this is something more and more children at state nurseries have to do without. The reason: in many day nurseries there are children from Muslim families, and as, according to Islamic belief, pork is seen as impure, consuming it is not “halal” (allowed) and thus forbidden.

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Weird I never saw these guys preaching, but for sure a pain in the butt. At one point Jamaica had more churches per square kilometer or per population then anywhere else.

With the Muslims we see the continued Islamization of Germany and Europe , very sad....
 

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This is Jamaica you're talking about. There are more serious problems in Jamaica than preachers on the buses. I see this as a 'see we're doing something' with your tax money. Literacy rate, life expectancy, poverty level, just to name three are in the bottom 40% of the worlds nation, in the bottom 25% of the same in economic growth, not mention unemployment problems, and the government is worried about preachers on buses. I guess it's simply do easy stuff and look busy.

Your blind desperation for any story involving religion is in high gear CM and it shows.
 

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Jamaica's public transport authorities have banned lay preachers from addressing commuters in public buses.

Jamaica is a predominantly Christian country, but many passengers have complained about the noise and disturbance.
This is a Dog bites man article C-M, think almost anyone save evangelicals is going to disagree with the above?
 

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blackrock13 how was dinner? commuters were complaining about loud preaching on buses and Jamaica like every other developing nation with similar problems are just as religious and fill with religious fanatics.
 

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if you visit Kingston the capital on the south coast you see a lot of them on the buses. JUTC buses operate in Kingston
Weird I never saw these guys preaching, but for sure a pain in the butt. At one point Jamaica had more churches per square kilometer or per population then anywhere else.

With the Muslims we see the continued Islamization of Germany and Europe , very sad....
blackrock13 how was dinner? commuters were complaining about loud preaching on buses and Jamaica like every other developing nation with similar problems are just as religious and fill with religious fanatics.

Based on previous posts in the threads, the problem seems to be in Kingston, not 'Jamaica'. It sounds like a hammer and fly situation. not uncommon for your home country. I'd be more concerned about the teachers having sex with students in Jamaica, which you initially denied exited, until shown otherwise in black and white. If this had been buster banned fro the buses you would not have bothered to mention it. Your hatred for anything religious is almost pathological.
 

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I pay to ride, not to be harassed by preachers, by your music, by TV ads, by some idiot's cel-quarrel with his lover, or even the too-loud conversation beside me. Some of these intrusive annoyances are for good manners and civility to curtail, but turning a busful of passengers into a literal captive congregation is where the the state should protect their freedom of religion.
 

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blackrock13 how was dinner? commuters were complaining about loud preaching on buses and Jamaica like every other developing nation with similar problems are just as religious and fill with religious fanatics.
So they have a problem with gangs, drugs, murder and teachers having sex with students and this is their priority?

I think they are going to be a developing nation for a very long time...
 

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I pay to ride, not to be harassed by preachers, by your music, by TV ads, by some idiot's cel-quarrel with his lover, or even the too-loud conversation beside me. Some of these intrusive annoyances are for good manners and civility to curtail, but turning a busful of passengers into a literal captive congregation is where the the state should protect their freedom of religion.
Except 'you' are only going to be in these places and on the bus for such a long time. When was the last time you saw a tv ad on a bus? If you're lucky your final ride will meet you critria. I've been on buses in third world countries where they allow street hawkers to get on sell their goods, even have a sing along. No big deal. Have another cuppa OJ, you need one.
 

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Except 'you' are only going to be in these places and on the bus for such a long time. When was the last time you saw a tv ad on a bus? If you're lucky your final ride will meet you critria. I've been on buses in third world countries where they allow street hawkers to get on sell their goods, even have a sing along. No big deal. Have another cuppa OJ, you need one.
Yup, such buses are a whole different world, and tolerance is good, but your examples don't address the two issues: that the audience is captive (never mind a paying one), and the preaching ain't what they paid for. OK, so do consider the paying part. The hawkers pass on, a singalong is a free choice.

Not a big deal, but neither is it something the bus company, or a government supporting religious choice should allow.
 

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Yup, such buses are a whole different world, and tolerance is good, but your examples don't address the two issues: that the audience is captive (never mind a paying one), and the preaching ain't what they paid for. OK, so do consider the paying part. The hawkers pass on, a singalong is a free choice.

Not a big deal, but neither is it something the bus company, or a government supporting religious choice should allow.
You right, not a big deal, but CM is, as usual, making a mountain out of a mole hill, making it sounds like a country's government is fighting an onslaught of evil religion. I wonder how many different people complained. As pointed out earlier it's probably a 'Kingston' problem and Kingston has bigger problems than 'preachers on the buses'. Government misdirection at its best.
 

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Yup, such buses are a whole different world, and tolerance is good, but your examples don't address the two issues: that the audience is captive (never mind a paying one), and the preaching ain't what they paid for. OK, so do consider the paying part. The hawkers pass on, a singalong is a free choice.

Not a big deal, but neither is it something the bus company, or a government supporting religious choice should allow.
How is a hawker different than someone evangelizing?
 
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