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It's Been 30 Centuries Since Sea Levels Were Rising This Quickly

By Jake Bleiberg
February 23, 2016 | 2:35 pm

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New research suggests that the world's oceans rose faster in the last 100 years than they did in nearly all of the preceding 3,000.

Between 1900 and 2000 seas swelled an average of 14 centimeters (5.5 inches) worldwide — a rate unprecedented in history. Using fossil records drawn from coastal sediment, a group of US and international scientists pegged the sea level rise to man-made climate change and concluded that rates of sea level rise are likely to accelerate.

"If you compare the 20th century to past centuries, there's a 95 percent probability that it's the fastest since 800 BC, the time of the founding of Rome," Robert Kopp, a Rutgers University climate scientist said.

Kopp, who led the ten researchers behind the study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, said that the data prior to Rome is too hazy to draw on with certainty, but that the forces behind the recent and rapid rise in oceans is clear.

The "hockey stick" graph plotting the rapid rise in atmospheric temperatures about 100 years ago was first published in 1999. (Image via Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change)

Over the last century melting glaciers and the physical expansion of warming ocean waters have been the primary forces behind the spike in sea levels, which rose and fell much more gradually during the preceding millennia. Graphs of historic sea levels take the shape — notorious among climate watchers — of a hockey stick with a long roughly even period, "the handle," sharply curving up into a "blade" starting around 1850.

The graph of sea level rise hues closely to one published in 1999 by Penn State University climate researcher Michael Mann and two colleagues showing the rise in atmospheric temperatures. Kopp says the parallel "hockey sticks" of rising temperatures and oceans makes perfect sense and is well beyond scientific doubt.

"Basic physics tells you, if you have more greenhouse gasses in the air, you'll trap more heat on the planet, and if you trap more heat on the planet, the oceans will expand, glaciers will shrink, and you'll have sea level rise," said Kopp. "This is shown by a constellation of research that dates back to the 19th century."

Related: If This Part of Antarctica Collapses, Sea Levels Could Rise 10 Feet

Data from NASA shows sea levels are rising 3.4 millimeters each year — more than double what the study found to be the average between 1900 and 2000, suggesting a continued sharp acceleration. Modeling by Kopp and his colleagues suggests that this rate is likely to continue increasing even if global carbon emissions are cut. In their most optimistic low-emissions scenario, where global temperature rise is limited to no more than 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 Fahrenheit), the study predicts oceans will swell between 24 and 61 centimeters (0.7-2 feet) in the 21st century. The least optimistic scenario, where temperatures increase around 5 C, has oceans rising from 52 to 131 centimeters (1.7-4.3 feet).

These numbers are broadly mirrored by estimates put forward by several other peer reviewed studies and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Kopp said they might prove too conservative as melt from the Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets flows into the ocean.

Higher sea levels mean more regular flooding for coastal communities. University of Miami climate researcher Shimon Wdowinski said that the eastern seaboard cities like New York and Boston are already getting a taste of what is to come, with seasonal high tides flooding greater amounts of coastal area. Miami is responding with construction of $400 million worth of new infrastructure to fortify coastal communities against flooding.

Climate change is expected to make extreme weather events like Hurricane Sandy, which caused havoc along the New Jersey shore and around New York City, more frequent and more severe. Both Wdowinski and Kopp said the risk of devastation like that wrought by the 2012 storm rises with the oceans.

"If you have higher sea levels, it takes less of anything else to cause flooding," said Kopp.

https://news.vice.com/article/its-been-30-centuries-since-sea-levels-were-rising-this-quickly?utm_source=vicenewsfb
 

Frankfooter

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Oh, don't confuse the deniers with facts or reality.
It gets in the way of their conspiracies.
 

jcpro

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Climate science is not on the side of the deniers, no matter what argument they make.
Well, geology, history and ethnography ARE on the opposite side. So, that's 3-1?
 

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybe...ir-heads-on-rising-ocean-claims/#68fc98744f03


Is everything really that simple?

Larry, no, reality is a good deal more complex than that. First of all, the accelerated warming that was forecast to produce catastrophic sea level rise flooding Bangladesh and Pacific islands causing hundreds of millions of refugees to flee coastal regions hasn’t occurred. This isn’t to say either that the planet hasn’t been warming, or that sea levels haven’t risen. Of course they have, although these are hardly new developments. I can also make an argument that rising sea levels and warming periods may be somewhat disconnected matters.

Let’s understand that the world’s mean temperatures have been rising at a pretty constant rate of about one degree Fahrenheit (0.6oC) over the past 100 years, and is likely to continue , although with both warmer and cooler fluctuations, for many hundreds of years into the future. Over each of the past several centuries, including the last one, sea levels rose by about 7 inches (18 cm).

Accordingly, neither the overall warming trend or sea level rise began with the fossil-burning Industrial Revolution… nor have they changed in any detectable way due to human influences. And we can’t even really know that the second follows the first. Sea levels rose during the Little Ice Age from about 1400-1859 AD… a period which was considerably colder than now.

Incidentally, do you remember when presidential candidate Obama declared during his June 8, 2008 victory speech as Democratic Party nominee that his presidency will be “the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal”? Well although some tidal gauge data does show deceleration, since it started in 1960, the year he was conceived, he probably can’t take full credit for that.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/...sea-levels-is-the-greatest-lie-ever-told.html

If one thing more than any other is used to justify proposals that the world must spend tens of trillions of dollars on combating global warming, it is the belief that we face a disastrous rise in sea levels. The Antarctic and Greenland ice caps will melt, we are told, warming oceans will expand, and the result will be catastrophe.

Although the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) only predicts a sea level rise of 59cm (17 inches) by 2100, Al Gore in his Oscar-winning film An Inconvenient Truth went much further, talking of 20 feet, and showing computer graphics of cities such as Shanghai and San Francisco half under water. We all know the graphic showing central London in similar plight. As for tiny island nations such as the Maldives and Tuvalu, as Prince Charles likes to tell us and the Archbishop of Canterbury was again parroting last week, they are due to vanish.
But if there is one scientist who knows more about sea levels than anyone else in the world it is the Swedish geologist and physicist Nils-Axel Mörner, formerly chairman of the INQUA International Commission on Sea Level Change. And the uncompromising verdict of Dr Mörner, who for 35 years has been using every known scientific method to study sea levels all over the globe, is that all this talk about the sea rising is nothing but a colossal scare story.
Despite fluctuations down as well as up, "the sea is not rising," he says. "It hasn't risen in 50 years." If there is any rise this century it will "not be more than 10cm (four inches), with an uncertainty of plus or minus 10cm". And quite apart from examining the hard evidence, he says, the elementary laws of physics (latent heat needed to melt ice) tell us that the apocalypse conjured up by
Al Gore and Co could not possibly come about.

The reason why Dr Mörner, formerly a Stockholm professor, is so certain that these claims about sea level rise are 100 per cent wrong is that they are all based on computer model predictions, whereas his findings are based on "going into the field to observe what is actually happening in the real world".
 

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Thirty centuries ago? Wasn't that bout the time King Canute told the waves tpo stop washing up higher and higher? Doesn't really matter what the cause is, all you need to do is stick a ruler in the sand. And do something instead of arguing incomplete science we won't understand until long after the basement — or street — floods.
 

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Cnut the Great[2] (Old Norse: Knútr inn ríki;[3] c. 995[4]– 12 November 1035), more commonly known as Canute, was a king of Denmark, England, Norway and parts of Sweden, together often referred to as the Anglo-Scandinavian or North Sea Empire
 

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Thirty centuries ago? Wasn't that bout the time King Canute told the waves tpo stop washing up higher and higher? Doesn't really matter what the cause is, all you need to do is stick a ruler in the sand. And do something instead of arguing incomplete science we won't understand until long after the basement — or street — floods.
We are talking long time frames, that's for sure.
There's a good post on realclimate, run by climatologists, talking about the sea level changes we are creating lasting for as long 10,000 years. CO2 stays in the atmosphere for a very long time, and it takes a long time for the poles to melt fully.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2016/02/millennia-of-sea-level-change/
That's ocean levels from the last 20,000 years and projections for the next 10,000 years, with ocean level changes measured in metres. The lowest point was the last ice age, more ice, less open water.


But there is lots else to worry about now, acidification is killing off coral reefs and damaging all shellfish.
http://www.theguardian.com/environm...ll-lead-to-deformed-and-virus-hit-coral-reefs

We already are hit by more and more extreme weather, like cyclone Winston.
http://www.theguardian.com/australi...-and-jetstar-cancel-services-to-and-from-fiji

Which is forcing the insurance industry, surely one of the most conservative industries around, here's a chart with the growing extreme weather costs in Canada alone.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/insurance-climate-change-adaptability-1.3323132


Meanwhile, Exxon is being sued by New York and California states for having done their own research which confirmed climate change then spending millions and millions on disinformation. Its the start of what will probably be a similar series of lawsuits, just as the tobacco industry was hit the same way.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/06/s...in-new-york-over-climate-statements.html?_r=0

Only once those lawsuits take action will the disinformation, or black money, that supplies canada man and moviefan with their talking points be held to task. The nearly half a billion dollars in dark money spent on disinformation to support the Heartland Institute and other disinformation organizations will eventually dry up.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/dark-money-funds-climate-change-denial-effort/
 

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Frankly, it's time to consign doubters and deniers to some waterfront resort. It's obvious to the most meagre brains that climate is changing, and quite rapidly. If they want to blather about cause, let them. Whatever it was, we're dealing with effects and consequences now.

Or should be.

Unless homo-sapiens is fated to go the way of the dinosaurs. D'ya s'pose the cockroaches will think our evolved descendants as worth watching, and feeding for pleasure as we do birds?
 

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Is "cnut" in your post a typo?

Question: Is Fiji safe from all this rising water? They just got hit with the worse cyclone in recorded history.
The English have always had a problem with his name, which properly is Knud the Great. I think that was the only way they could get back at him.
 

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so what caused sea levels to rise in the past?
Genesis 621st Century King James Version (KJ21)

6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth and daughters were born unto them,

2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were fair; and they took for themselves wives of all whom they chose.

3 And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not always strive with man, for he also is flesh; yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty years.”

4 There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagining of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6 And the Lord repented that He had made man on the earth, and it grieved Him in His heart.

7 And the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, and the creeping thing and the fowls of the air, for I repent that I have made them.”

8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

9 These are the generations of Noah. Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

10 And Noah begot three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.

12 And God looked upon the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

13 And God said unto Noah, “The end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence through them; and behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

14 Make thee an ark of gopherwood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt cover it within and without with pitch.

15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: the length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.

16 A window shalt thou make for the ark, and to a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.

17 And behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth to destroy all flesh wherein is the breath of life from under heaven; and every thing that is on the earth shall die.

18 But with thee will I establish My covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou and thy sons, and thy wife and thy sons’ wives with thee.

19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.

20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee to keep them alive.

21 And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be food for thee and for them.”

22 Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.
 

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so what caused sea levels to rise in the past?
Polar caps and greenland glacier melt.
Ocean levels go down during ice ages and go up as the planet warms up (combination of melted water and expansion from heat).

Its a combination of greenhouse gas levels, volcanic activity and solar output to an extent.
 

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Yawn.

What other boogeyman will these alarmist concoct next in order to to swindle money from the dumb.
 

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Well, geology, history and ethnography ARE on the opposite side. So, that's 3-1?
Those fields are not climate science. I doubt you have any legitimate evidence to suggest that most experts in the fields you've suggested deny climate change's man made problem.
 

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We are talking long time frames, that's for sure.
There's a good post on realclimate, run by climatologists, talking about the sea level changes we are creating lasting for as long 10,000 years. CO2 stays in the atmosphere for a very long time, and it takes a long time for the poles to melt fully.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2016/02/millennia-of-sea-level-change/
That's ocean levels from the last 20,000 years and projections for the next 10,000 years, with ocean level changes measured in metres. The lowest point was the last ice age, more ice, less open water.


But there is lots else to worry about now, acidification is killing off coral reefs and damaging all shellfish.
http://www.theguardian.com/environm...ll-lead-to-deformed-and-virus-hit-coral-reefs

We already are hit by more and more extreme weather, like cyclone Winston.
http://www.theguardian.com/australi...-and-jetstar-cancel-services-to-and-from-fiji

Which is forcing the insurance industry, surely one of the most conservative industries around, here's a chart with the growing extreme weather costs in Canada alone.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/insurance-climate-change-adaptability-1.3323132


Meanwhile, Exxon is being sued by New York and California states for having done their own research which confirmed climate change then spending millions and millions on disinformation. Its the start of what will probably be a similar series of lawsuits, just as the tobacco industry was hit the same way.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/06/s...in-new-york-over-climate-statements.html?_r=0

Only once those lawsuits take action will the disinformation, or black money, that supplies canada man and moviefan with their talking points be held to task. The nearly half a billion dollars in dark money spent on disinformation to support the Heartland Institute and other disinformation organizations will eventually dry up.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/dark-money-funds-climate-change-denial-effort/
Seems to me your charst prove that that climate is changing but also prove that man is not the cause.
 

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Seems to me your charst prove that that climate is changing but also prove that man is not the cause.
When the water's coming over your boots the time for debating causes has passed. Intelligent people have moved on to more immediate questions.
 

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Those fields are not climate science. I doubt you have any legitimate evidence to suggest that most experts in the fields you've suggested deny climate change's man made problem.
Very observant of you. It is precisely why I don't take climate science seriously. The three disciplines I mentioned are able to provide unquestionable proof of natural climate variations.
 
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