Is "This The Elephant In The Room" Question About Cabbie's In Toronto

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This is going to be a Non-PC question of mine. I think this question to the editor subliminally hints at it.

Is the body odour of certain identifiable groups of people which are prominent in Toronto's cab industry one of the reasons why people are turning away from them ? Apparently Uber drivers are much cleaner.



Metro NewsViews

Should you say something to the driver of a smelly cab?If the driver of your rolling garbage dump is an owner who wants to stay in business, they need to up their game.

Courtesy Ani Castillo

Published on Nov 25 2015

Ellen VanstoneMETRO

Dear Ellen,

I recently got into a cab that was filthy dirty. It reeked. When I got out, I reeked. Should I have said something to the driver?

Katie in Ottawa

Dear Katie,

When it comes to being on someone else’s turf, or inviting someone on to yours, there can be a fine line between polite behaviour and being a doormat.

Take the dinner party, for example. Should I tell a guest to stop talking with his mouth full and stuff my napkin in his gob the next time he laugh-spits half-chewed pasta particles onto my spectacles? Never. As a gracious hostess, I must smile through bits of flying food as if this masticating monster is the most charming man who ever graced my table. Then, if forced to invite him again, I would simply seat him far away, in the section reserved for drunken slobs and boring egomaniacs. Since all these specimens are completely oblivious of everyone else, and therefore immune to the kind of torture each one of them inflicts, I consider this to be a fair and tactful solution for all concerned.

Similarly, if you’re invited to someone else’s home, and it’s a filthy, stinking mess, you have no choice but to choke down whatever is on offer, and then check yourself in for medical tests the next day if you’re not feeling well.

None of this hostess-guest etiquette, however, applies to taxicabs, or restaurants, or any other transactional business where you are paying good money for a product or service, and your peace of mind, and, possibly, health, are at risk.
With a filthy taxicab, you have several options.

Back away from the car, with or without an explanation (“I just remembered, I’m allergic to vinyl”).Decline the service with an honest explanation: “Your cab is dirty and smells terrible. I think I’ll wait for another one.”Get into the cab if you can’t wait for another one, and suffer in silence.Get into the cab and decline to tip when you reach your destination, though in this case, you do owe an explanation: “I’m sorry, but the state of your cab doesn’t warrant a tip.”

If the cab is actually a health hazard, or you need to redirect it to the nearest dry cleaner in order to get the smell off your clothes, you should not only say something, you should snap a pic of the operating licence and make a complaint, either to the taxi company or your city’s licensing body, or both.

Taxi driving is a difficult job, and thanks to Uber — whose operators should also be held to a cleanliness standard — it’s tougher than ever to make a living at it. But if the driver of your rolling garbage dump is an owner who wants to stay in business, they need to up their game.

And if the driver is an employee being forced to work all day in a dirty, stinking environment that you can’t stand for 20 minutes, then consider that your official complaint might help them out too.

http://m.metronews.ca/#/article/views/urban-etiquette/2015/11/24/should-you-say-something-to-the-driver-of-a-smelly-cab.html
 

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It has nothing to do with the ethnicity, but rather sheer numbers. 90% of all taxis need a hose down.
 

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No, the problem is that they refuse to adapt to change and evolve and think they run shit...well reality is hitting them hard and fast...
 

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Once Uber drivers find they have to pay commercial insurance rates and get used to living on similar incomes to cab drivers, they will probably end up working the same hours with their cars and they'll probably get just as stinky as cabs.
Just wait for it.
 

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I don't take cabs often, but call me racist if you want, but in my experience:

- The typical cab you call on the street is usually smelly, grimey, and the guy in the cab has zero personality. Doesn't seem to give two shiits about anything, but assumes all that is important is getting someone from point A to point B. Usually dark skinned drivers
- However, if you spend a few more bucks and are at the airport and you take one of those dark limo taxis, a much better experience. Better cars, the guy is dressed better, and the cars are cleaner and smell fine. Usually "white guys"

But that's just me. I'm just one sample size. Take it for what you will.
 

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It has nothing to do with the ethnicity, but rather sheer numbers. 90% of all taxis need a hose down.
Exactly.

Since they are so dirty, I guess the taxi company doesn't pay for it or have a dedicated car washing station for drivers. So drivers have to do it themselves.

Big deal. Pay $30 every once in a while and take the car to one of those detailing places where they do all the work. Makes sense.............

............... but it doesn't. There's so many cabs, and so many potential customers hailing a cab, these cabbies are shortsighted and don't care for repeat business, since lousy service will just replaced by another person or people they will pick up next time.

What they didn't think of (and none of us did), is that Uber came along which is your avg joe doing taxi service in his spare time. So the overall image of cabbies has stuck, even though 99% of people taking vabs never get the same driver twice. But the experience sticks as a whole and gets blanketed across all of them.

Now they all cry like babies.

The cost isn't the issue. It's the smelly, grumpy service, and cabbies who drive like idiots. Or sometimes you get the guy where you have to tell him where to go because A. He doesn't know the area, B. Too lazy to pull out a map, C. Too lazy to use a GPS or doesn't have one to begin with, or worst of all D. The ass who takes advantage of you and drives double the distance if he suspects you aren't sure what the best route is.

There's plenty of taxis out there.

All these cabbies had to do is clean up your cars every once in a while, spray some air freshener and don't act like an ass.
 

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Dirty Cabs - when you think about all the "standing" time they claim they do, while lined up 12 deep at Union Station, they could be wiping down their cars. When you think about it, they should have the best detailed cars in the city.
 

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When I was in London (as in the UK), I thought their cabs were great. Always clean, easy to get into, etc.

Now granted, I only took maybe 4 cab rides while there, but still, they were all clean. I guaran-fucking-tee you if you took 4 cab rides in Toronto, 3 of them would be dirty and grimy and smelly.
 

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Uber is better than the cab industry for one simple reason: that review my ride five star rating and the fact that drivers who consistently get less than five stars get dumped by Uber.

Taxi industry doesn't understand quality.
 

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gotta remember, these poor guys have to sit in the damn car for 10+ hours a day, and ya alot of them are indian/pakistani/african dudes with different cuisines and different smells and to average white people they smell different. is it different in an uber? time will tell.. my guess is it wont be that different, more or less the same guy driving and give it another year of having 1000+ people in a car each month and it will be the same.

disclaimer: i am a heavy uber user and rarely take cabs anymore, not that i dont side with the taxi drivers on alot of issues and do believe uber should have some regulation for safety sake.
 

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gotta remember, these poor guys have to sit in the damn car for 10+ hours a day, and ya alot of them are indian/pakistani/african dudes with different cuisines and different smells and to average white people they smell different. is it different in an uber? time will tell.. my guess is it wont be that different, more or less the same guy driving and give it another year of having 1000+ people in a car each month and it will be the same.

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1. Don't eat in the car.

2. Clean the car

3. Service the car.

Uber will never end up like taxis because anyone can become a Uber driver relatively easily. Taxis, there are a lot of legal hoops to jump through, though once you're in, it's like your a teacher or something and it's impossible to get rid of the bad apples. Uber? Easy to get rid of the bad apples. They simply stop calling you.
 

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When I was in London (as in the UK), I thought their cabs were great. Always clean, easy to get into, etc.

Now granted, I only took maybe 4 cab rides while there, but still, they were all clean. I guaran-fucking-tee you if you took 4 cab rides in Toronto, 3 of them would be dirty and grimy and smelly.
London has incredibly high standards that all cabbies must maintain to remain in service. It is part of their `London Charm` image.
 

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I don't take cabs often, but call me racist if you want, but in my experience:

- The typical cab you call on the street is usually smelly, grimey, and the guy in the cab has zero personality. Doesn't seem to give two shiits about anything, but assumes all that is important is getting someone from point A to point B. Usually dark skinned drivers
- However, if you spend a few more bucks and are at the airport and you take one of those dark limo taxis, a much better experience. Better cars, the guy is dressed better, and the cars are cleaner and smell fine. Usually "white guys"
But that's just me. I'm just one sample size. Take it for what you will.
+1 .... and these cabbies ARE so dam cheap they cut on service, clean cars & even their own hygene. Likely the same guys that only spend $50 on an escort.
 

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It should be like London service but because of delusional local Politicians who think this is a " world class city " , it won't be & thus just another reason Toronto is NOT a First/ World class city.
 

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We know Toronto will never attain London's cab service. But it would be nice if the city (or cab companies themselves), required drivers to reach a certain level of knowledge, maintain vehicle cleanliness and understand what service means.
Uber delivers the last two of those things, and a good GPS delivers the first.
 

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+1 .... and these cabbies ARE so dam cheap they cut on service, clean cars & even their own hygene. Likely the same guys that only spend $50 on an escort.
thats totall bullshit. try and talk to the cab driver, ive lived in the city my whole life and rarely have a bad experience with cabs. my guess is its the 905ers who come in from out of town for the night and find it a bit tougher. ive also taken black cars in dozens of cities including to/from pearson on a weekly basis for years, most drivers are not white but maybe a higher percentage of white drivers do black car/limo service.
 
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