In another recent thread one of the guys gave a review which underlined he fact that he asked for an escort from a particular agency located in Ottawa and felt that his experience was somewhat less than what had been granted to other members. But he had the same obligation to pay the same fee. The escort in question was described in glowing terms on the website including the promise of a GFE experience and more. He believed that. He made a call to initiate the date, and welcomed the lady in question. All seemed okay up front. He made a comment about personal hygiene (brushing his teeth and , I assume showering beforehand). He engaged in the encounter but when it came to LFK/DFK and DATY all changed. He was rebuffed on the DFK and informed that DATY was considerably extra in price . It was made clear to him that the full fee was going to be expected and indeed was collected.
Upon reading this I was concerned in that I believed there was an exception to what was advertised and that something was wrong here. I stated this on the thread and though several members agreed with me, I was taken to task and at times ridiculed when asked for answers by both the agency and one other member. I tried to keep a cool head through it all but upon reflection now I am really pissed. The gloves are off. The agency as much as told me and any other objectors that if we didn't like it, it was “Their way or the highway.”
So that brings me to this thread. I would like members to read the following with one idea in mind. Does what I have outlined below sound like a reasonable ethical protocol for both escorts and clients to follow? If you feel there are any guidelines which may not be appropriate for either escort or client to follow, could you suggest alternatives then give reasons for each?
Why have I started this thread? I believe that there are still many times when there are abuses in what we do – on both sides. The better we can make it for both the girls and ourselves just has to make things better for all of us. Right now, I would be willing to bet that there are those of us out there who, if they could get their hands on the piece of human garbage who killed the young escort out there we would ensure that he would wish that he was never born. Similarly, we are not too happy with the young lady who examines the fee envelope, puts it in her purse and shouting that she left something in the driver's car runs out the door never to be seen again. The knife cuts both ways.
And MOD100, I am sorry but this topic is not going to be best served with , as one member put it, “brevity”
So I ask you all to comment on what you read below. Would this or would it not be an excellent protocol for both escorts and agencies alike to follow?
First off, there are three levels of service which one might expect to see in an escort's profile:
1. Basic: This is the minimum accepted package. It has restrictions usually limiting the entire experience to some breast kissing and the like, CBJ and 1 SOG . All else is extra or not on the menu, period.
2. Girlfriend Experience (GFE) defined as what one might reasonably expect to receive from a girlfriend including CONNECTION (the feeling that you are not alone in the room), LFK/DFK, BBBJ, DATY and DIGITS.
3. Porn Star Experience (PSE) defined as what one might expect to see on screen including anal, pearls and other activities considered to be extreme and beyond CONNECTION, indeed not requiring connection.
Rationale: There has been a great deal of discussion in terms of these definitions but if you do your research and track the topic on the various forums you will find that most will agree at least on the broad outlines. There are some things to be clear about on both sides of the equation. These are the reasonable expectations for both escort and client:
- Personal Hygiene is a must. No escort should be required to enter into service or complete a service once begun, upon encountering a lack of care with hygiene. The client is entitled to expect the same.
- No escort should be required to accept abusive behaviour of any kind. This is an immediate deal breaker – no refunds, period. Nor should any client be subject to the same.
- Agency owners should be truthful and accurate when composing the profiles of the escorts on contract. An interview should be conducted with each escort and the definitions above covered and some form of commitment arrived at. If an escort is concerned about issues of chemistry or tolerance for certain categories of client then the owner is honour bound to include the disclaimer YMMV in the profile. This means that the escort may impose any restrictions she wishes and still expect the same fee. The restrictions should be made clear up front. Any other course of action (balking during the act) is dishonest and a fraud. Unfortunately this seems to happen all too often.
- If and when issues arise which are not covered above but clearly visible to the escort upon her arrival she has the “unconditional right of refusal” and the right to leave before the “date” begins. The client does not pay. This is the one exception which goes beyond the designation agreed upon in her profile. Even an escort designated GFE is not required to enter into a date where she feels uncomfortable. But the responsibility is hers to make the call before any fee is expected and to leave without remuneration. A client must be prepared to accept this as her right of refusal. Clients have the same right of refusal should, for example, an escort be misrepresented in an advertisement or on a website.
Now this just isn't the way it goes, you say. This guy is dreaming in technicolour. Guys get ripped off all the time with all kinds of ridiculous excuses from agency owners and escort alike. Oh I am well aware of that. The thing is that the money's gone and all the good wishes in the world are not going to change that. That is the bottom line.
Well, I hope we can all agree that one guy's dollar is as good as the next guy's. And it is galling to some members who read what a sweet and romantic time another member had with an escort who shut him down half way through his own session and yet she still demanded and left with full payment. Embarrassed and fearful of ridicule or pity from other members he tries to accept it with the best grace he can. Still doesn't make it right.
Can anything be done about it? In many cases no. This is an activity still considered to be on the fringes of society. But there have been some interesting developments elsewhere which give some hope. For this, one should take a look at certain agency owners. Reviews on forums such as merb, terb and so on can translate into good bucks for agencies willing to make the effort towards customer satisfaction. Let's look at some examples: At times escorts will get bad reviews consistently. If this begins to happen where a trend is observed this has the potential to cut into the profits. Certain owners are known to come online, offer redress in the form of a drastically reduced one time future date fee, pledge to call the escort in question into the office and lay out the facts of life to her. I have observed this on a forum and seen it personally. Granted the transgression is most often a severe one prompting general outrage but the key here is that they do offer redress. And the members do tend to support them precisely because they have demonstrated a degree of reliability (PM me if you want some examples as I don't think the MODS would want me to name some here). Now it's not a complete cure but it is a start and a demonstration of the influence which can be wielded by the members.
In any event it might be an idea to make a few rules for yourself. Some suggestions:
- Do not use any escort with the designation YMMV. Do not accept absurd excuses or agency owners greasing you after an unacceptable experience. This is a business not a soap opera. Take them to task. GFE means GFE. Some agency owners simply throw it into profile because it is good marketing. They don't attach any value to it. This makes it meaningless.
- Talk it up on this forum. Who is running this game anyway, the agency owner and escort or the client? Insist on cutting out the BS.
- Praise agencies who are inclined to make things right. It's your dollar. And use their services. Reward them for their efforts. They have earned it.
- Hang together and be serious about blacklisting escorts who pull unacceptable stunts like shutting down well after the action has started.
- Be prepared to drive to other venues if you can't get satisfaction in your area. Mean business.
I'm sure the list is incomplete but you get the idea. In any event, enough pontificating from me. That's my opinion and it is born of years of experiences and reading about those of others. I'll leave it at that.
Upon reading this I was concerned in that I believed there was an exception to what was advertised and that something was wrong here. I stated this on the thread and though several members agreed with me, I was taken to task and at times ridiculed when asked for answers by both the agency and one other member. I tried to keep a cool head through it all but upon reflection now I am really pissed. The gloves are off. The agency as much as told me and any other objectors that if we didn't like it, it was “Their way or the highway.”
So that brings me to this thread. I would like members to read the following with one idea in mind. Does what I have outlined below sound like a reasonable ethical protocol for both escorts and clients to follow? If you feel there are any guidelines which may not be appropriate for either escort or client to follow, could you suggest alternatives then give reasons for each?
Why have I started this thread? I believe that there are still many times when there are abuses in what we do – on both sides. The better we can make it for both the girls and ourselves just has to make things better for all of us. Right now, I would be willing to bet that there are those of us out there who, if they could get their hands on the piece of human garbage who killed the young escort out there we would ensure that he would wish that he was never born. Similarly, we are not too happy with the young lady who examines the fee envelope, puts it in her purse and shouting that she left something in the driver's car runs out the door never to be seen again. The knife cuts both ways.
And MOD100, I am sorry but this topic is not going to be best served with , as one member put it, “brevity”
So I ask you all to comment on what you read below. Would this or would it not be an excellent protocol for both escorts and agencies alike to follow?
First off, there are three levels of service which one might expect to see in an escort's profile:
1. Basic: This is the minimum accepted package. It has restrictions usually limiting the entire experience to some breast kissing and the like, CBJ and 1 SOG . All else is extra or not on the menu, period.
2. Girlfriend Experience (GFE) defined as what one might reasonably expect to receive from a girlfriend including CONNECTION (the feeling that you are not alone in the room), LFK/DFK, BBBJ, DATY and DIGITS.
3. Porn Star Experience (PSE) defined as what one might expect to see on screen including anal, pearls and other activities considered to be extreme and beyond CONNECTION, indeed not requiring connection.
Rationale: There has been a great deal of discussion in terms of these definitions but if you do your research and track the topic on the various forums you will find that most will agree at least on the broad outlines. There are some things to be clear about on both sides of the equation. These are the reasonable expectations for both escort and client:
- Personal Hygiene is a must. No escort should be required to enter into service or complete a service once begun, upon encountering a lack of care with hygiene. The client is entitled to expect the same.
- No escort should be required to accept abusive behaviour of any kind. This is an immediate deal breaker – no refunds, period. Nor should any client be subject to the same.
- Agency owners should be truthful and accurate when composing the profiles of the escorts on contract. An interview should be conducted with each escort and the definitions above covered and some form of commitment arrived at. If an escort is concerned about issues of chemistry or tolerance for certain categories of client then the owner is honour bound to include the disclaimer YMMV in the profile. This means that the escort may impose any restrictions she wishes and still expect the same fee. The restrictions should be made clear up front. Any other course of action (balking during the act) is dishonest and a fraud. Unfortunately this seems to happen all too often.
- If and when issues arise which are not covered above but clearly visible to the escort upon her arrival she has the “unconditional right of refusal” and the right to leave before the “date” begins. The client does not pay. This is the one exception which goes beyond the designation agreed upon in her profile. Even an escort designated GFE is not required to enter into a date where she feels uncomfortable. But the responsibility is hers to make the call before any fee is expected and to leave without remuneration. A client must be prepared to accept this as her right of refusal. Clients have the same right of refusal should, for example, an escort be misrepresented in an advertisement or on a website.
Now this just isn't the way it goes, you say. This guy is dreaming in technicolour. Guys get ripped off all the time with all kinds of ridiculous excuses from agency owners and escort alike. Oh I am well aware of that. The thing is that the money's gone and all the good wishes in the world are not going to change that. That is the bottom line.
Well, I hope we can all agree that one guy's dollar is as good as the next guy's. And it is galling to some members who read what a sweet and romantic time another member had with an escort who shut him down half way through his own session and yet she still demanded and left with full payment. Embarrassed and fearful of ridicule or pity from other members he tries to accept it with the best grace he can. Still doesn't make it right.
Can anything be done about it? In many cases no. This is an activity still considered to be on the fringes of society. But there have been some interesting developments elsewhere which give some hope. For this, one should take a look at certain agency owners. Reviews on forums such as merb, terb and so on can translate into good bucks for agencies willing to make the effort towards customer satisfaction. Let's look at some examples: At times escorts will get bad reviews consistently. If this begins to happen where a trend is observed this has the potential to cut into the profits. Certain owners are known to come online, offer redress in the form of a drastically reduced one time future date fee, pledge to call the escort in question into the office and lay out the facts of life to her. I have observed this on a forum and seen it personally. Granted the transgression is most often a severe one prompting general outrage but the key here is that they do offer redress. And the members do tend to support them precisely because they have demonstrated a degree of reliability (PM me if you want some examples as I don't think the MODS would want me to name some here). Now it's not a complete cure but it is a start and a demonstration of the influence which can be wielded by the members.
In any event it might be an idea to make a few rules for yourself. Some suggestions:
- Do not use any escort with the designation YMMV. Do not accept absurd excuses or agency owners greasing you after an unacceptable experience. This is a business not a soap opera. Take them to task. GFE means GFE. Some agency owners simply throw it into profile because it is good marketing. They don't attach any value to it. This makes it meaningless.
- Talk it up on this forum. Who is running this game anyway, the agency owner and escort or the client? Insist on cutting out the BS.
- Praise agencies who are inclined to make things right. It's your dollar. And use their services. Reward them for their efforts. They have earned it.
- Hang together and be serious about blacklisting escorts who pull unacceptable stunts like shutting down well after the action has started.
- Be prepared to drive to other venues if you can't get satisfaction in your area. Mean business.
I'm sure the list is incomplete but you get the idea. In any event, enough pontificating from me. That's my opinion and it is born of years of experiences and reading about those of others. I'll leave it at that.
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