Is there a public record of being fired?

[baltimoron]

I have a 2nd job (a McJob) which I took about a year ago because I was bored and a few extra bucks on the side doesn't hurt. It's now become too tiresome for me to do in addition to my real daytime job.

My question is that if I get fired from this little part-time insignificant job which has no relation to my career, is there any public record of the job termination?

I was thinking of just "disappearing" from this McJob, and I assume they'd can me for their internal records.

At some point later, when I apply for a real job, would I be safe in not mentioning this little McJob and that I was terminated from it? Would a future employer come across the termination when doing a background check?

Since the McJob has no relation to my regular career and I don't need any references from them, would I be correct in assuming that on a future real job application, as long as I don't volunteer info that I ever worked for the McJob, there's no way for the future employer to know about it?

Thanks for any help.

 

[Coach]

Why not just quit? It's not related to your career, so why mention it. Getting canned may come back to haunt you and raise questions. Take the honourable way out, resign.

 

[stinkynuts]

There is little chance that any employer will find out, and even if they do, they won't care. But, don't burn your bridges. Give two weeks notice and quit. You never know when you'll have to come crawling back.

 

[MuffinMuncher]

Would it be too difficult to be professional and considerate and simply resign? Your employer was nice enough to give you a second income, and they surely dont expect you to stay forever. Give your two weeks notice and give them time to replace you.

 

[dj1470]

God, I hope not I got fired from Wendy's like 20 years ago

 

[Keebler Elf]

The answer is: not really. There is no public record of your employment history that future employers could access. Revenue Canada, however, can access your employment history as can the EI program. It may also be possible to obtain employment records (via your SIN) for purposes of bankruptcy or divorce.

But there is no public record of your employment that employers can access. Beware, however, that you can be terminated by your current employer at any time if you omitted previous employment. Most employers wouldn't care that you had a McJob that you omitted... unless they want to get rid of you and need a reason...

I would also advise you to give proper notice. Two weeks is best, one week at a minimum. No reason to be a prick and just not show up to work one day...

 

[Eli]

Just so you know Baltimoron...We got your number!




Big Brother, Always Watching.

 

[baltimoron]

Thanks, everyone!

Yeah, I suppose you guys are all right.

Actually, I already gave my 2 week notice and have one week left. Have to some how muddle through the week, which is why I was considering other options.

DJ,

Why were you fired from Wendy's? Please tell me it's because you squirted ketchup in an annoying customer's face!

 

[spartan5782]

The only way I could see a short stint second job being public is if you listed it for a credit reference in obtaining a loan. Then, any subsequent approved check might have it listed on your credit history...as well as prior addresses, etc. However, there wouldn't be any details of your history with that employer...just that you used them for income verification to get credit. If you allow a future employer to do a background check to include financial, then it might show up and they might question it's absence on your application...but being a second job, it should be easily explained without details.

I do agree with the others...simply quit and don't worry...you lasted a year, another week shouldn't kill you

Good Luck

 

[Svend]

Just one week left?
I think it's traditional to come in late, stand around and chat with co-workers, drink coffee, take an extended liquid lunch break, surf the net - generally screw the pooch until your last day.
On the last day you get to grope the babes. It's an unwritten rule.

 

[fuji]

You don't have two give two weeks notice to quit your job, you can just up and quit. Tell your boss you quit, walk out the door, you are done. The two weeks notice for quitting is just the traditional thing you do to avoid burning down the bridge, but it's not required.

It IS required for an employer to give two weeks notice if they terminate you, that's something different.

If it were possible for you to sign a contract that forced you to work against your will for any period of time at all that would be tantamount to slavery. It's not. You live in a free country, you can quit working for anyone anytime you want to.

 

[George OTJ]

The two weeks notice for quitting is just the traditional thing you do to avoid burning down the bridge, but it's not required.

It IS required for an employer to give two weeks notice if they terminate you, that's something different.

Minor point, actually it's not two weeks - it's one pay period. If you are paid weekly, a weeks notice is all that you're expected to give, and the employer is required to give only a week.

 

[George OTJ]

Beware, however, that you can be terminated by your current employer at any time if you omitted previous employment.

Where'd you hear that? I've gone to a number of job finding clubs while on EI and this has never been a requirement. In fact I've routine omitted jobs I've worked at on my resume for years. Admittedly with the except of a 2 month contract, the positons I worked at are over 10 years old.

They can fire you for lieing on an application. The can't fire you for omitting info not germain to the job.

 

[baltimoron]

Advice from the "Experts"

I found this board, which uses the same vBulletin format as TERB, that discusses free legal advice and discussion. It's US law only (for now)

http://forum.freeadvice.com/register.php

They have a pretty large section on Employment Law.

Here's the answer I got from one of their senior members:

There is no easily accessible database that says, Joe Smith's Employment Record; xx/xx/xxxx - xx/xx/xxxx - McDonalds' - current status - fired, if that's what you mean.

At some point later, when I apply for a real job, would I be safe in not mentioning this little McJob and that I was terminated from it?

No, quite frankly, you would not. Even though no public records of terminations exists, that doesn't mean that there is no way for an employer to learn about it. And if they ever did, and it was learned that you had omitted it from your application/resume, that's considered a falsification of your application and is a termination offense.

Would a future employer come across the termination when doing a background check?

Possibly. And even if they don't find out about it in a background check, there are a number of other ways they could find out if only by accident.

Since the McJob has no relation to my regular career and I don't need any references from them, would I be correct in assuming that on a future real job application, as long as I don't volunteer info that I ever worked for the McJob, there's no way for the future employer to know about it?

No, you would be very much incorrect in assuming that.

Why don't you simply just quit?

 

[WhaWhaWha]

Dismissals, fights, it all goes on your permanent record. It also includes every test you failed in school and the time you were caught masturbating with your sisters bra.

 

[hamermill]

Okay so I must admit to not having read all the post in this thread...

But to be fired is one thing to be fired from a McJob would be embarassing at best

 

[Daddio]

You cant get yourself fired from those jobs if you wanted to.

Possible reasons for dismissal:

Could not operate the mop and wringer without swearing.
Concluded each tansaction with thank you please dont sue.
Ate my weight in French Fries every week and the number kept increasing.
Kept telling the customers that Hamburglar was a victim of McSociety

 

[Keebler Elf]

The can't fire you for omitting info not germain to the job.

Wrong. The case law is quite clear on this matter. Omitting employment history, relevant or not, can be grounds for immediate termination. Whether or not the employment history is relevant to the job or not is not your call to make; it's the employer's. Usually the angle that gets the person terminated is that the employer can't trust the employee b/c the employee misrepresented/lied about themselves from the outset. Omitting previous employment is enough to get you terminated immediately.

That being said, most employers don't care if you leave off a McJob (as I said previously). However, if they're looking for a reason to terminate you, you omitting previous employment is exactly what they'll be glad to find out... to your detriment.

 

[Keebler Elf]

Minor point, actually it's not two weeks - it's one pay period. If you are paid weekly, a weeks notice is all that you're expected to give, and the employer is required to give only a week.

Wrong. George, it's best if you leave employment law to the experts b/c you're clearly out of your league on this topic.

The amount of notice either the employer OR the employee must give is outlined in the Employment Standards Acts (ESA). It ranges from a week to up to 8 weeks (the general rule of thumb is 1 week per year of service, but if you're involved in a legal dispute then it depends on a variety of other factors). Actually, the notice can be zero if it's a contract b/c presumably you know from the get-go when your employment will end (most good employers will still notify you that your contract is coming to an end, just to cover their ass).

Most people don't realize that giving proper notice of terminating one's employment (initiated either by the employee or the employer) is a statutory requirement for BOTH parties in the employment relationship (that is, the worker and the employer). If a worker up and leaves without giving notice, he is in violation of the ESA and could potentially face legal action by the employer. I say potentially b/c it is very rare for that to happen. Usually it's just seen as an inconvenience by the employer. However, for example, if the employee was a high ranking member of management or held a position of importance and could not be easily replaced, it becomes much more reasonable for an employer to sue the employee for quitting without giving the proper notice (arguing that the abrupt termination of employment by the employee damaged the company in some way). In fact, if the employer suffers any financial cost at all for you leaving without giving proper notice, it can come after you for damages.

It is a common misconception that notice of termination is only required by the employer. As I've pointed out above, this is not the case. It is required by both parties. For a McJob that you've held for less than a year, 1 week's notice should suffice (or 1 week per year of service). Will you be sued if you don't? Probably not. But the law will be on the employer's side if it ends up in court.

So don't be a prick. Give your proper notice just as you'd want to receive it from your employer. Burning bridges has a tendency to come back and bite you in the ass when you least expect it...

 

[outoftownguy]

I would say be honourable here. Resign with the truthful explanation.
As per Keebler omitiing the termination can have numerous results. It can be immediate cause for termination, with cause. If your employer was looking for a reason it sure is an easy out for them. If they have other reasons to question your ethics it will only strengthen the case. If you in a current position were trust or ethics are involved you simply considering this will be a huge issue for your employer.