Is the Price of Coalition an Independent Quebec?

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Is the Price of Coalition an Independent Quebec?

In their press release of 1 Dec 2008 (Open Letter to all Canadians) the three leaders of the Coalition stated their authority to replace the Government of Canada. They asserted that this right to form a government rested on the fact that “A Majority of Canadians and Quebecers voted for our parties.” This is an explicit recognition of Quebec as an independent Nation. Quebecers, as recognized by this document, are not “Canadians” nor can they be included in the category “Canadians” much less “all Canadians”; they are a separate and independent people and must be referred to as such.

This recognition of Quebecers as separate and different from Canadians is repeated in “A Policy Accord to Address the Present Economic Crisis” (1 Dec 2008). Were the three leaders stated that it was “the role of government to act as partners with Canadians and Quebecers.”

Duceppe, speaking on behalf of his “Nation”, stated that he had entered into the agreement "in the best interests of Quebec, of Quebecers during this time of economic difficulties."* Any concern for the Nation of Canada was strikingly absent. His claim to speak for Quebecers and not Canadians was explicit.

Duceppe stated that he would only support the Coalition until 30 June 2010 (Policy Accord) because the various parties had not agreed on "concrete action to recognize the Quebec nation."

The price of Bloc Quebecois’s support for the Coalition is clear, up front acknowledgement in official documents that Quebec is a separate and independent entity that can not be included in the category “Canadian.” Continued support beyond 30 June 2010 will only take place if the Coalition takes "concrete action to recognize the Quebec nation." We can note that this is a full year prior to the end of the Liberal-NDP Coalition which does not end until 2011.

Clearly, the price the Liberals and NDP are prepared to pay for Bloc support is not limited to money, policy or programs. It would appear that the price they are willing to pay, and have agreed to, is Quebec independence. Only the details of when and how seem to be left.

I say... Quebec: GET FUCKED!
 

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You are dreaming. Harper has ALREADY granted recognition to Quebec as a distinct nation/society. This coalition will not further the PQ ends of an independent state.

Don't forget that it is Harper's goal to strip the central federal government of as much power as he can, and to give power and autonomy to the provinces. Not just to Quebec.
 

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Compromised said:
You are dreaming. Harper has ALREADY granted recognition to Quebec as a distinct nation/society. This coalition will not further the PQ ends of an independent state.

Don't forget that it is Harper's goal to strip the central federal government of as much power as he can, and to give power and autonomy to the provinces. Not just to Quebec.
It's Harper's policy to return to the power arrangements as set out in the original BNA act. Trudeau tried to impose a more centralised Federal Government and you know how that turned out. That said, whatever powers are consigned to the Feds, especially provisions that enable Ottawa to override restrictions on interprovincial trade, should be used without any apologies to the provinces. Churchill Falls was a disgrace.

Quebec is for all intents and purposes already independant. They collect their own taxes, follow their own different legal code, speak another language, and Quebec has the primary allegiance of most of its citizens. It's a separate nation within a customs union with the rest of canada and a free trade area with the rest of NA. I certainly don't feel that they are part of this country anymore, and would hesitate to vote for a PM from there in the future.
 

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Compromised said:
You are dreaming. Harper has ALREADY granted recognition to Quebec as a distinct nation/society. This coalition will not further the PQ ends of an independent state.

Don't forget that it is Harper's goal to strip the central federal government of as much power as he can, and to give power and autonomy to the provinces. Not just to Quebec.
thats right. mulroney and harper are the ones who cozy up to separtists.
 

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Dick Meat said:
Is the Price of Coalition an Independent Quebec?…edit…[ It's the OP, folks, read it there]…

I say... Quebec: GET FUCKED!
An attitude which might explain why so many Quebeckers think Canada's not for them.
 
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oldjones said:
An attitude which might explain why so many Quebeckers think Canada's not for them.
Bullshit.

It's the attitude of appeasement that has kept the separatist fire burning. Give these bastards an inch and they take a foot. The fact we are still talking about these arseholes after 2 failed referendums says more than anything. I'm tired of talking about it.

I don't know what the price of an independent Quebec is but I'm coming to the realization whatever it is might be worth it.
 

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Bullshit.

It's the attitude of appeasement that has kept the separatist fire burning. Give these bastards an inch and they take a foot. The fact we are still talking about these arseholes after 2 failed referendums says more than anything. I'm tired of talking about it.

I don't know what the price of an independent Quebec is but I'm coming to the realization whatever it is might be worth it.
I couldn't agree more! Many Quebers vote for the Bloc not because they are separatists, but because the Bloc fights for them and them alone...they have a sense of entitlement that was born from Trudeau and Chretien...Have you heard of the possibility of separation under Harper's watch....not likely.

The 'Clarity Act' was a gift to separatists of all strips (watch for Alberta if this coalition grabs power) since the feds can deny a province if they follow a simple set of rules.....
 

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Dick Meat said:
Is the Price of Coalition an Independent Quebec?

In their press release of 1 Dec 2008 (Open Letter to all Canadians) the three leaders of the Coalition stated their authority to replace the Government of Canada. They asserted that this right to form a government rested on the fact that “A Majority of Canadians and Quebecers voted for our parties.” This is an explicit recognition of Quebec as an independent Nation. Quebecers, as recognized by this document, are not “Canadians” nor can they be included in the category “Canadians” much less “all Canadians”; they are a separate and independent people and must be referred to as such.

This recognition of Quebecers as separate and different from Canadians is repeated in “A Policy Accord to Address the Present Economic Crisis” (1 Dec 2008). Were the three leaders stated that it was “the role of government to act as partners with Canadians and Quebecers.”

Duceppe, speaking on behalf of his “Nation”, stated that he had entered into the agreement "in the best interests of Quebec, of Quebecers during this time of economic difficulties."* Any concern for the Nation of Canada was strikingly absent. His claim to speak for Quebecers and not Canadians was explicit.

Duceppe stated that he would only support the Coalition until 30 June 2010 (Policy Accord) because the various parties had not agreed on "concrete action to recognize the Quebec nation."

The price of Bloc Quebecois’s support for the Coalition is clear, up front acknowledgement in official documents that Quebec is a separate and independent entity that can not be included in the category “Canadian.” Continued support beyond 30 June 2010 will only take place if the Coalition takes "concrete action to recognize the Quebec nation." We can note that this is a full year prior to the end of the Liberal-NDP Coalition which does not end until 2011.

Clearly, the price the Liberals and NDP are prepared to pay for Bloc support is not limited to money, policy or programs. It would appear that the price they are willing to pay, and have agreed to, is Quebec independence. Only the details of when and how seem to be left.

I say... Quebec: GET FUCKED!

the price or the reward?
 
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