Iraqi Athletes

[GlavaMan]

This is very disturbing.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_online/news/2003/03/24/son_of_saddam/

 

[Cardinal Fang]

Very interesting GlavaMan. I read the same article and really wasn't all that surprised because of who was delievering the punishment. I'm not sure you will get much in the way of a response on this thread because the peace advocates just don't care about issues such as these. I guess they like to pick and choose their causes.

Therefore, allow me to answer for them by posing questions they may ask you.

1. The Iraqis have a right to discipline their athletes.
2. The story comes from the American media who have an axe to grind.
3. We do not know the who side of the story.
4. Just because they abuse an athelete doesn't mean they hurt people.
5. Its only about sports. It doesn't affect the real world.
6. We shouldn't go to war because someone is sencelessly hurting people.
7. We can accomplish more by talking to Saddam's son.
8. If talking to him doesn't change anything then leave him alone.
9. Ignore them.
10. No blood for anything!

 

[BigGuy26]

Iraqi athletes

Wasn't Saddam Hussein voted Iraqi athlete of the year recently? I thought that was quite ironic.

Cardinal Fang, the Peace advocates do care about the torture because it is very clear that it happens. What they oppose is more bloodshed in a country where the US rule will not be welcomed. Many of the Iraqi's see the US as occupiers, not liberators. Will everyone play nicely once Saddams regime is destroyed? It could lead to civil war.

Its just unfortunate to hear of Saddam's history of punishing his own citizens and then more innocent people dying because of this man.

 

[King Pig]

Cardinal Fang

Could not have said it better. You forgot Maybe if we just pretend it does not exist then it really doesn't and it is American progaganda.

 

[Cardinal Fang]

With all due respect.....

"Cardinal Fang, the Peace advocates do care about the torture because it is very clear that it happens."

I have never seen these so called peace advocates protesting these and other atrosities by the Iraqi government. I have yet to see a march on the Iraqi embassy.

"What they oppose is more bloodshed in a country where the US rule will not be welcomed."

Tell me who is welcome in Iraq. They have fought Iran for over 8 yrs. They believe the Saudis and Kuwaits work for the U.S. They have a beef with almost every Arab country in the world that will not help them. I guess that leaves the French and Russians.

"Many of the Iraqi's see the US as occupiers, not liberators."

What media source did you get this from? Just curious?

"Will everyone play nicely once Saddams regime is destroyed?
It could lead to civil war."

This is the middle east. No one has ever played nice here. Rules do not apply to this area of the world. They have been at each others throats for so long no one knows how it started. One less bully in the playground is better. As for civil war. I guess your analogy is to that its better to keep a country brutalized and in one piece rather than happy and seperate?

"Its just unfortunate to hear of Saddam's history of punishing his own citizens and then more innocent people dying because of this man."

And this will continue and continue until something is done about it. It happens everywhere and we have become so jadded with oppression all over the world. Close your eyes, look away, lets just all chill, this is the legacy of the X generation.

 

[t_dot]

how many more stories like this are going to surface once people aren't afraid to talk? this is exactly what i was talking about in my thread about the irony of the peace protests.

 

[BigGuy26]

"I have never seen these so called peace advocates protesting these and other atrosities by the Iraqi government. I have yet to see a march on the Iraqi embassy"

Correct, because outside countries are not involved. The protests begin when the US or UK have to go into someone else's country and clean up the mess. Then the citizens feel they are involved. Otherwise its out of sight and out of mind.

Cardinal Fang, I agree that something has to be done about Saddam Hussein, but there will be consequences because of the military force used by the US, plain and simple. Its going to be long with many casualties on both sides.

The Middle East has always been unstable. Do you think by removing Saddam that everyone will lie down and accept Peace? My point is the resentment factor towards the US will remain. The opinions of the extremists will not change, they will continue to oppose the US.

"Many of the Iraqi's see the US as occupiers, not liberators."
What media source did you get this from? Just curious?

Some of the Iraqi soldiers are fighting back aren't they? Have they all surrendered?

The message the people in Iraq see (especially the Republican Guard) is the US coming in and occupying Iraq, taking it from them. Do you honestly believe that they think "Great, the US is here, we can all be free". Just by going in and killing Saddam will not solve the problem. Plain and simple.

There are two sides Cardinal Fang, and you have many good points, Iraq is a big mess and the war is only the beginning. If you honestly believe that Iraq will be happy and seperate as you put it, you are overlooking history in the Middle East.