Iranian nuclear site to be inspected - by Iran

[basketcase]

Seems that along with the deal between the world powers and Iran, the IAEA has agreed that only Iran would be able investigate some of their own sites.
http://news.yahoo.com/ap-exclusive-un-let-iran-inspect-alleged-nuke-165604071.html


You can't make this shit up. I thought it was bad enough that they gave Iran veto authority over which inspectors were allowed. Wonder if the world will have the balls to put the sanctions back in place.

 

[K Douglas]

It's a brutal deal for the West and Israel. It shouldn't have a hope in hell of passing Congress but even if it fails Obama said he will veto. To that I say impeach the fucker.

 

[Frankfooter]

Seems that along with the deal between the world powers and Iran, the IAEA has agreed that only Iran would be able investigate some of their own sites.
http://news.yahoo.com/ap-exclusive-un-let-iran-inspect-alleged-nuke-165604071.html


You can't make this shit up. I thought it was bad enough that they gave Iran veto authority over which inspectors were allowed. Wonder if the world will have the balls to put the sanctions back in place.

Whoops.

They did make that shit up.
Its total bullshit, and you fell for it.

Whoops.

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/20/9182185/ap-iran-inspections-parchin

 

[fuji]

Whoops.

They did make that shit up.
Its total bullshit, and you fell for it.

Whoops.

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/20/9182185/ap-iran-inspections-parchin

Do you agree that if international inspectors are not allowed to directly attend on site to inspect Parchin then the agreement is useless?

 

[Frankfooter]

Do you agree that if international inspectors are not allowed to directly attend on site to inspect Parchin then the agreement is useless?

No, every country in the world has backed up the agreement, with the exception of Israel.
And as a non-NPT signatory who stole nuclear tech and material from their ally, the US, their opinions are immaterial.

Are you claiming that every country in the world is wrong about this treaty except Israel?

 

[basketcase]

Whoops.

They did make that shit up.
Its total bullshit, and you fell for it.

Whoops.

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/20/9182185/ap-iran-inspections-parchin

So AP and major international news industries vs. vox.com?


Even your vox commentary says that all of the samples will be taken by Iran and all the photos will be taken by Iran. Iran has also been very open that it will not allow inspectors on any site they consider military. They have also been clear that they will only allow inspectors from nations they see as friendly.

BTW, here is text of the side deal.



Separate arrangement II agreed by the Islamic State of Iran and the International Atomic Energy Agency on 11 July 2015, regarding the Road-map, Paragraph 5

Iran and the Agency agreed on the following sequential arrangement with regard to the Parchin issue:

1. Iran will provide to the Agency photos of the locations, including those identified in paragraph 3 below, which would be mutually agreed between Iran and the Agency, taking into account military concerns.
2. Iran will provide to the Agency videos of the locations, including those identified in paragraph 3 below, which would be mutually agreed between Iran and the Agency, taking into account military concerns.
3. Iran will provide to the Agency 7 environmental samples taken from points inside one building already identified by the Agency and agreed by Iran, and 2 points outside of the Parchin complex which would be agreed between Iran and the Agency.
4. The Agency will ensure the technical authenticity of the activities referred to in paragraphs 1-3 above. Activities will be carried out using Iran’s authenticated equipment, consistent with technical specifications provided by the Agency, and the Agency’s containers and seals.
5. The above mentioned measures would be followed, as a courtesy by Iran, by a public visit of the Director General, as a dignitary guest of the Government of Iran, accompanied by his deputy for safeguards.
6. Iran and the Agency will organize a one-day technical roundtable on issues relevant to Parchin.

For the International Atomic Energy Agency: Tero Varjoranta, Deputy Director General for Safeguards

For the Islamic Republic of Iran: Ali Hoseini Tash, Deputy Secretary of Supreme National Security Council for Strategic Affairs

Copyright 2015 The Associated Press.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/read-full-text-of-secret-deal-between-iran-and-iaea-on-inspections/

 

[basketcase]

No, every country in the world has backed up the agreement, with the exception of Israel.
And as a non-NPT signatory who stole nuclear tech and material from their ally, the US, their opinions are immaterial.

Are you claiming that every country in the world is wrong about this treaty except Israel?

Not surprisingly, your every country claim is complete bullshit. Most of Iran's Arab neigbours are just as worried about the deal as Israel.

 

[Frankfooter]

Not surprisingly, your every country claim is complete bullshit. Most of Iran's Arab neigbours are just as worried about the deal as Israel.

Name the countries that have come out against the IAEA/Iran agreement.
And show me where they are campaigning against it.

 

[Frankfooter]

So AP and major international news industries vs. vox.com?

Copyright 2015 The Associated Press.[/I]
http://www.timesofisrael.com/read-full-text-of-secret-deal-between-iran-and-iaea-on-inspections/

Your argument is based on a leaked draft of the Iran agreement, not the final agreement.
A draft leaked to the only country that is against the agreement, a country that refuses to sign the NPT.
A country that promised the US they would never develop the bomb, then went ahead and did it anyways.

http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB526-Court-Ordered-Release-of-Kissinger-Telcons/

 

[basketcase]

Your argument is based on a leaked draft of the Iran agreement, not the final agreement....

From the story,
Two officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, confirmed to The Associated Press that this draft does not differ from the final, confidential agreement between the IAEA and Iran.

And as I said, your vox article doesn't even dispute that all the data collection at Parchin will be done by the Iranians.

 

[basketcase]

Name the countries that have come out against the IAEA/Iran agreement.
And show me where they are campaigning against it.

Saudi Arabia for one.

Why Saudi Arabia and Israel oppose Iran nuclear deal
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/...oppose-iran-nuclear-deal-150401061906177.html

 

[twizz]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CM4OJixUcAE6PVD.jpg:medium

 

[Frankfooter]

Saudi Arabia for one.

Why Saudi Arabia and Israel oppose Iran nuclear deal
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/...oppose-iran-nuclear-deal-150401061906177.html

Why you are wrong.

Saudi Arabia Approves of Iran Nuclear Deal, U.S. Defense Chief Says

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/23/world/middleeast/iran-nuclear-deal-saudi-arabia.html?_r=0

Even if you are correct, putting all your morals in a basket with Saudi Arabia doesn't make you look very good.

 

[basketcase]

...
Even if you are correct, putting all your morals in a basket with Saudi Arabia doesn't make you look very good.

And you holding moral parity with Iran and Hamas does what exactly?

 

[fuji]

No, every country in the world has backed up the agreement, with the exception of Israel.
And as a non-NPT signatory who stole nuclear tech and material from their ally, the US, their opinions are immaterial.

Are you claiming that every country in the world is wrong about this treaty except Israel?

I asked you a question. Do you agree that the agreement is useless if it doesn't ensure that Parchin is inspected by international inspectors?

Your link suggested that the news was exaggerating the situation and that in fact inspectors WOULD be present in some capacity. If so, fair enough. We don't know yet but I guess future news articles will reveal if that is true.

So state your opinion: if the agreement allows Iran to do is own inspections WITHOUT international inspectors present do you agree that just isn't an acceptable agreement?

 

[Frankfooter]

I asked you a question. Do you agree that the agreement is useless if it doesn't ensure that Parchin is inspected by international inspectors?

Why answer a hypothetical question?

To quote our lying PM, I reject the premise of the question.
Iran isn't inspecting their own sites.

IAEA says report Iran to inspect own military site is 'misrepresentation'

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015...N0QP0ID20150820?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

Its just yet another claim of yours based on a lie.

 

[fuji]

So you are running like a little girl from the question.

You refuse to answer whether the agreement would be garbage is international inspectors aren't able to go on site.

 

[Frankfooter]

So you are running like a little girl from the question.

You refuse to answer whether the agreement would be garbage is international inspectors aren't able to go on site.

No, you are the one who refuses to answer here:

Every country in the world has backed up the agreement, with the exception of Israel.
And as a non-NPT signatory who stole nuclear tech and material from their ally, the US, their opinions are immaterial.

Are you claiming that every country in the world is wrong about this treaty except Israel?

 

[fuji]

If the inspectors can't go on site very few countries will back this agreement, which many haven't ratified yet.

Do you think it is right to send the agreement back for rework if the inspectors can't go on site?

 

[basketcase]

Why answer a hypothetical question?
....

Funny. Sources close to the deal say that Iran will collect all the data at Parchin. Even your vox source agrees with that. Of course the reuters story doesn't deal with the issue that Iran will be the ones collecting all the data and submitting it to the IAEA for inspection. Unless there are protocols and oversight that the Iranian samples are actually what they claim, the investigation is a joke.

Yet somehow you choose to ignore all that and blather on.