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The International Monetary Fund has said that the world's financial system is near meltdown.

The warning came hours before European leaders began a meeting in the French capital to tackle the deepening financial crisis.

"Intensifying solvency concerns about a number of the largest US-based and European financial institutions have pushed the global financial system to the brink of systemic meltdown," Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the IMF chief, said on Sunday.

Spreading crisis

Strauss-Kahn expressed hope that government actions would prove powerful enough to persuade banks to resume lending and bring an end to a spreading credit crunch.

"In the coming days ... what I expect is that the reaction by the different institutions will be positive enough to unfreeze the different markets and to restore the necessary funding," he said.

Later on Sunday, Nicolas Sarkozy, the French president, welcomed European leaders to the summit in Paris, saying he expected "an ambitious, co-ordinated plan" to contain the financial crisis.

Representatives from 15 countries in the Euro-zone will be hearing from Gordon Brown, the British prime minister.

He is expected to urge them to adopt a programme similar to that in the UK - in which governments take out large stakes in their country's banks.

Al Jazeera's Mark Seddon, speaking from Paris, said: "It seems possible that European leaders are likely to agree to guarantee inter-bank lending and [do] this by issuing government securities.

"Giving the confidence to banks to begin that lending process all over again is the major demand heard this week as the markets have tumbled."

Bank rescue

Meanwhile, The Sunday Times newspaper in London said Britain would launch its biggest retail bank rescue on Monday when the four largest banks - HBOS, Royal Bank of Scotland, Lloyds TSB and Barclays - ask for a combined $60.5bn lifeline.

The unprecedented move would make the government the biggest shareholder in at least two banks, HBOS and Royal Bank of Scotland, the newspaper said on its website. It did not give a named source for its information.

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No government officials or representatives from the four banks were immediately available to comment on the report.

Australia also announced that it would guarantee all bank deposits for three years and guarantee wholesale funding to Australian banks in an attempt to combat the credit crisis.

Australia would also make $2.6bn available for mortgage-backed securities to help maintain liquidity for non-bank lenders, Kevin Rudd, the prime minister, told reporters.

Amid the financial turmoil, markets in the Middle East continued to spiral downward on Sunday, the first day of the business week for most countries in the region.

The IMF said it backed a plan by the G7 most industrialised nations to try to stabilise markets and urged "exceptional vigilance, co-ordination and readiness to take bold action" to contain a firestorm that pushed global stocks to five-year lows on Friday.

Beyond talk

Christine Lagarde, France's economy minister, said that the gathering would go beyond talking about remedies to "put meat, muscles on the bones of that skeleton and to develop, follow up and execute upon it".

The US appealed for patience but the IMF said time was short after the G7 nations - which include the US, Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and Canada - failed to agree on concrete measures to end the crisis at a meeting on Friday.

George Bush, the US president, met G7 economic chiefs and officials from the IMF and World Bank and said top industrial nations would work together to solve the crisis.

"I'm confident that the world's major economies can overcome the challenges we face," he said.
 

Mcluhan

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danmand said:
"I'm confident that the world's major economies can overcome the challenges we face," he said.
Right. The guys that non-regulated us into this, are now going to wave the wand and fix it. Right! right?


I feel so much better now...


More popcorn anyone?
 

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Mcluhan said:
Right. The guys that non-regulated us into this, are now going to wave the wand and fix it. Right! right?


I feel so much better now...


More popcorn anyone?
Really, which regulations are you talking about?

OTB
 

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Really, which regulations are you talking about?

OTB
The same regulations the Germans are slowly going to introduce to prevent lax lending practices and irresponsible lending i.e. more transparency and higher standards for the ratings agencies to prevent excessive and dangerous leveraging/syndicating of weak underlying assets; example= the absence /non regulation which allowed the toxics now bringing down global equities markets and soon dragging the USD behind them down into the insolvency abyss. You may also ask McCain the same question re: the what-for behind his comment on firing SEC regulators. I'm sure he has a detailed game plan you will understand and agree with.
 

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Mcluhan said:
The same regulations the Germans are slowly going to introduce to prevent lax lending practices and irresponsible lending i.e. more transparency and higher standards for the ratings agencies to prevent excessive and dangerous leveraging/syndicating of weak underlying assets; example= the absence /non regulation which allowed the toxics now bringing down global equities markets and soon dragging the USD behind them down into the insolvency abyss. You may also ask McCain the same question re: the what-for behind his comment on firing SEC regulators. I'm sure he has a detailed game plan you will understand and agree with.
How many countries currently regulate rating agencies?

OTB
 

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How many countries currently regulate rating agencies?

OTB
Now your obfuscating the main point to split a hair. Use of higher standards, are you happy now? The whole issue of finger pointing at SEC is a dodge anyway, because apparently there are fundamental problems with Wall Street capitalism that need to be weeded out, practices that led to the wildly leveraged derivatives trade. Pointing to a security guard at a bank robbery who might have wrestled the robber to the floor but didn't, and calling him complicit is not exactly solving the crime.
 

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Really, which regulations are you talking about?

OTB
The ones your Fed Chairman is talking about, the difference being he actually understands them. I only sense they are missing.


We're Laying the Groundwork for Recovery, by Ben Bernanke


" The most immediate responsibility of policy makers and elected officials is to restore confidence in our credit markets. Even as we do this, we must begin to consider long-term reforms that will mitigate similar crises in the future. A comprehensive review of our regulatory structures is an essential task in the coming year. The events of the past year or two have highlighted regulatory gaps and deficiencies that we must address... As we recover from the current crisis, it will be important to address these issues as soon as possible..."
 

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Mcluhan said:
Now your obfuscating the main point to split a hair. Use of higher standards, are you happy now? The whole issue of finger pointing at SEC is a dodge anyway, because apparently there are fundamental problems with Wall Street capitalism that need to be weeded out, practices that led to the wildly leveraged derivatives trade. Pointing to a security guard at a bank robbery who might have wrestled the robber to the floor but didn't, and calling him complicit is not exactly solving the crime.
I don't think OTB is refering to the SEC.
 

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I don't think OTB is refering to the SEC.
I was referring to SEC in my original comment, to which he was grinding me on, as per usual. btw,referring has two r's...don't they teach you professors how to spell these days?

How are you doing anyway? Have you tried City Butterflies yet? :)
 

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Mcluhan said:
How are you doing anyway? Have you tried City Butterflies yet? :)
I'll be better after I've had my morning coffee. Never heard of City Butterflies. How are you doing?
 

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I'll be beter after I've had my morning coffee. Never heard of City Butterflies.
http://www.citybutterflies.com/galleries.php

Its hard to get a good good breakfast in London. I got them at the Hilton, The Churchill and the Waldorf is particularly memorable...the one in the theater district.
 

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Mcluhan said:
http://www.citybutterflies.com/galleries.php

Its hard to get a good good breakfast in London. I got them at the Hilton, The Churchill and the Waldorf is particularly memorable...the one in the theater district.
I have yet to get a decent breakfast in the UK!

Actually, I have not made it to London yet. I’d rather not name the city as it is small enough that someone could likely do a search and figure out who I am in real life. However, I did check out one of the full service MPs and it was very nice. I was hoping to visit London sometime during my 3 months here. However, I’m getting pretty busy so I am no longer sure I’ll get the time. There has been other fun stuff. I really enjoyed a day spent hiking through the English country side a couple of weeks ago. A great experience.

How are you doing?
 

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I have yet to get a decent breakfast in the UK!

Actually, I have not made it to London yet. I’d rather not name the city as it is small enough that someone could likely do a search and figure out who I am in real life. However, I did check out one of the full service MPs and it was very nice. I was hoping to visit London sometime during my 3 months here. However, I’m getting pretty busy so I am no longer sure I’ll get the time. There has been other fun stuff. I really enjoyed a day spent hiking through the English country side a couple of weeks ago. A great experience.

How are you doing?
I know, those UK breakfasts are enough to make you realize why our forefathers left. Seriously, go to the Waldorf (theater district). They have this very BIG old war time ball room which is very elegant. Great place and the food is excellent. In a pinch, the Hilton is ok. Evenings are gala there too.

Me? I am doing great. Its been a very interesting adventure the last 2 years. Tell you sometime. A big bonus is I saw this crash coming in the very last second, because i was not paying attention and leapt off the railway tracks just as the engine sped by, liquidated everything. Saved every penny. I feel like a genius for the moment. Luck will do that.
 

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someone said:
I have yet to get a decent breakfast in the UK!

Actually, I have not made it to London yet. I’d rather not name the city as it is small enough that someone could likely do a search and figure out who I am in real life. However, I did check out one of the full service MPs and it was very nice. I was hoping to visit London sometime during my 3 months here. However, I’m getting pretty busy so I am no longer sure I’ll get the time. There has been other fun stuff. I really enjoyed a day spent hiking through the English country side a couple of weeks ago. A great experience.

How are you doing?
There is a french pastry chef who has a cafe across from the Kensington tube station.
Or try the cafe on park street behind the Grosvenor House Hotel on Park lane.
That is a lovely hotel, by the way.
 

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Thanks to both of you for the recommendations. I will keep them in mind if I get to London.
 

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Mcluhan said:
The same regulations the Germans are slowly going to introduce to prevent lax lending practices and irresponsible lending i.e. more transparency and higher standards for the ratings agencies to prevent excessive and dangerous leveraging/syndicating of weak underlying assets; example= the absence /non regulation which allowed the toxics now bringing down global equities markets and soon dragging the USD behind them down into the insolvency abyss. You may also ask McCain the same question re: the what-for behind his comment on firing SEC regulators. I'm sure he has a detailed game plan you will understand and agree with.
Well you have all of the buzz words. You probably thought Sarbannes -Oxley was the answer too.
 

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Mcluhan said:
The ones your Fed Chairman is talking about, the difference being he actually understands them. I only sense they are missing.


We're Laying the Groundwork for Recovery, by Ben Bernanke


" The most immediate responsibility of policy makers and elected officials is to restore confidence in our credit markets. Even as we do this, we must begin to consider long-term reforms that will mitigate similar crises in the future. A comprehensive review of our regulatory structures is an essential task in the coming year. The events of the past year or two have highlighted regulatory gaps and deficiencies that we must address... As we recover from the current crisis, it will be important to address these issues as soon as possible..."
In other words none?

Here is some good reading for you:

http://www.bankstocks.com/ArticleViewer.aspx?ArticleID=5436&ArticleTypeID=2

Don't worry, you'll like it.

OTB
 

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Welcome Back OTB. Where's the chart? If it makes you feel good, put up the Nikkei.

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