i JUST PUKED

[TravellingGuy]

Re: To Onthebottom

I lived and worked in the U.S. for many years and have many friends there. I like to think I know and understand how Americans think and feel. Even though I am not a U.S. citizen, I "feel" like one. You guys get a bum rap. I, for one, thank you every day.

And you are starting to sound like one, take your head out of your ass, there is more to this world than in North America, people who are actually travelling to Europe are not finding Anti-Americanism, they are finding anti-bushism and anti-usforeignpolicyism...

OTB keeps talking about how the US isn't alone in this and sites Italy, Spain etc, why? Because the politicians in those countries have thrown in their hand of support? Thats not a good representation of what the people of the countries actually are feeling.

http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20030210&s=alterman1

Although there's lots of great comebacks in the above article to throw at all the crap some of you have been spouting I limit it to a couple of worthy notes:

"Not only did Chancellor Gerhard Schröder manage to win re-election by running less against his opponent than against Bush's proposed war in Iraq, refusing cooperation under any circumstances, including full UN approval--but his justice minister, Herta Däubler-Gmelin, even compared Bush to Hitler. (According to Washington Post columnist Marc Fisher, Däubler-Gmelin was only saying "what many Germans believe.") "

"Even such famously pro-American voices as Chris Patten, the much-admired conservative former governor of Hong Kong--now EU Commissioner for External Relations--have taken to complaining about the Bush Administration's launch into "unilateralist overdrive," with its "absolutist" approach to world affairs. These views, moreover, are mirrored almost perfectly by those of Frankfurt University philosopher Jürgen Habermas, the titanic figure of the European democratic (and pro-American) left, who warns, "Many Americans do not yet realize the extent and the character of the growing rejection of, if not resentment against, the policy of the present American Administration throughout Europe, including in Great Britain. The emotional gap may well become deeper than it has ever been since the end of World War II.""

 

[Paul Waters]

Re: I think not!

The oil and Turkey points all miss the target, the world is not so simple that one dimensional strategies work.

Iraq is a threat to the entire world.

Isolation? How about Australia, Italy, Spain.... The "Old Europe" "Axis of Annoyance" will fall in line when the time comes of for no other reason that to continue to hide their irrelevance in the world.

America destroying their economy? It's a flat recession with a big tech hangover, nothing more. Are you old enough to understand the business cycle? Vietnam lasted more than a decade, the shooting in Iraq will be over in less than a month.

You must follow the buy high, sell low strategy. The last shoe to drop in the US is real-estate. but you should lock in your mortgage, so I guess your post wasn't a total waist.

OTB

What could Iraq do that is a threat? Launch a scud missile at Isreal? It probably would not reach and would certaintly miss its target.

While we are at it, what is the worst North Korea could do?

Huge deficits cause inflation and high interest rates. Go ahead, bury your head in the sand. The business cycle is something different but will be walloped by inflation.

Iraq has more firepower than Aphganistan and that has been going on more than a year. You are deluding yourself when you assert a month.

 

[Timberwolf]

Dr. Love: They call him dubya for two reasons:

His middle initial is "W" and it is intended as a derogatory salutation.

I take it that you already knew this and were being facetious but there it is for the record.

Thanks to Travelling Guy for a live demonstration of exactly what I have been referring to.

By the way Travelling Guy, did you not learn in school that ad hominem attacks are irrelevant?

 

[Hollywoodladies.ca]

George W

>>President George Bush is visiting an elementary school today and he visits
>>one of the classes.
>>
>>They are in the middle of a discussion related to words and their
>>meanings.
>>The teacher asks the President if he would like to lead the class in the
>>discussion of the word, "tragedy."
>>
>>So the illustrious leader asks the class for an example of a "tragedy."
>>
>>One little boy stands up and offers, "If my best friend, who lives next
>>door,
>>
>>is playing in the street and a car comes along and runs him over, that
>>would
>>be a tragedy.
>>
>>"No," says Bush, "that would be an ACCIDENT."
>>
>>A little girl raises her hand: "If a school bus carrying 50 children drove
>>off a cliff, killing everyone involved, that would be a tragedy." "I'm
>>afraid not," explains Mr. President. "That's what we would call a GREAT
>>LOSS."
>>
>>The room goes silent. No other children volunteer.
>>
>>President Bush searches the room. "Isn't there someone here who can give
>>me
>>an example of a tragedy?"
>>
>>Finally, way in the back of the room, a small boy raises his hand. In a
>>quiet voice he says, "If Air Force One, carrying Mr. &Mrs. Bush, were
>>struck
>>by a missile and blown up to smithereens, by a terrorist like Osama bin
>>Laden, that would be a tragedy."
>>
>>"Fantastic," exclaims Bush, "that's right. And can you tell me WHY that
>>would be a TRAGEDY?"
>>
>>"Well," says the boy, "because it wouldn't be an accident, and it
>>certainly
>>wouldn't be a great loss."
>
>
>_________________________________________________________

 

[Timberwolf]

Steph, tell me one reason why your life is of more interest or purport than any member of the the first family of the United States. You are a prostitute. You do nothing but serve your own best interest. You give nothing to the world, other than your pussy, of course. Millions of you do this so it is nothing special. You are a common person. I doubt you give hundreds or thousands or billions of dollars to the needy around the globe. I'll bet you do not have one characteristic that sets you apart from anyone like the President of the United States or that gives you the right to put him down. If I am wrong about that let me know. In fact, I doubt you are anything but a pusillanimous piece of .... who is so ignorant you cannot think straight. I know it will take you a while to look up the big words here. Try to understand, although I doubt you ever will. Anyone who puts out the drivel you do has got a long road ahead of them. What is interesting about this thread is that NO-ONE has offered any positive comments. Not ONE word of support for someone trying to change the world for the better. Just negative comments from a bunch of pig ignorant pigs. Ok, Fred, go ahead and edit -- censor, if you will. But, as I suspected, one of the reasons this world is in such bad shape is because ..... you fill in the blanks......

 

[Timberwolf]

What???????

Is it just me or did Paul Waters not utter one sensical thought?

 

[Timberwolf]

Vanessa

I guess you are right, Vanessa. Was it Richard Nixon who coined the phrase, " silent majority". Thanks for your input.

 

[papasmerf]

Qotes?

Ok TIMBERWOLF

Who said "I am what I am and that's all that I am....."


No hints from his fellow quote followers.

 

[LarryL]

George jr. just came on to give his State of the Union . I listened to 5 minutes and had to puke, and ....

Have you thought about the scenario that our neighbour south of the border is Iraq under Hussien's regime ? I have one word for you: Complacency!

 

[onthebottom]

Re: Re: I think not!

What could Iraq do that is a threat? Launch a scud missile at Isreal? It probably would not reach and would certaintly miss its target.

While we are at it, what is the worst North Korea could do?

Huge deficits cause inflation and high interest rates. Go ahead, bury your head in the sand. The business cycle is something different but will be walloped by inflation.

Iraq has more firepower than Aphganistan and that has been going on more than a year. You are deluding yourself when you assert a month.

What could they do? They have launched Scud missiles against Israel. They are a short flight and boat ride from much of the worlds oil. Use (if you have one) your imagination. To ask what a Nation State could do that has 500K troops under arms and is controlled my a madman. You've been living in the frozen tundra too long.

North Korea, think a Million guys heading south with guns. Seoul is 35 miles away. How long would that take (OTB waits while Paul counts on his fingers and then tries to divide). North Korea has a Million men under arms, this in a country that's eating grass. Another real genius leader. GDP is about 1,000 per year, 31% of that is spent on the Military! All this with 22 million people living in something smaller than Mississippi. You’re an Idiot!

Your incoherent words on the economy are difficult to comment on because they don't make any sense. Deficits and a lot of other things affect inflation. Try not to think so one dimensionally, outside your head most problems are more complex than you see.

Iraq has hard targets (that will be vapor shortly). Command and control will disintegrate within the first two weeks and the armed forces (non republican guard) will throw down their weapons. You must have been one of those idiots that thought the US would get mired down in a difficult land war in 91, or where you still in diapers?

OTB

 

[onthebottom]

Re: Re: To Onthebottom

And you are starting to sound like one, take your head out of your ass, there is more to this world than in North America, people who are actually travelling to Europe are not finding Anti-Americanism, they are finding anti-bushism and anti-usforeignpolicyism...

OTB keeps talking about how the US isn't alone in this and sites Italy, Spain etc, why? Because the politicians in those countries have thrown in their hand of support? Thats not a good representation of what the people of the countries actually are feeling.

Timberwolf, you should take the complement.

The US is not alone, but the US is leading. "Old Europe" does not like to be lead, it matters not, they will follow when the time comes. Russia is already leaning.

I would think Canadians (especially those in Ontario) would understand better than most what makes the French tick and why they are taking a stand counter to the US. And for Germany to be anti war, there seems to be too much irony for me in that.

I do think there is a negative view of Bush in Europe as being a unilateralist. His first year in office he had no tendencies to consult Europe, I think he has softened that approach. Certainly seeking UN Security Council agreements would be a move in the right direction.

The fundamental driver for this is that Europe no longer matters from a security perspective. Economically they are being mired in stagnation and socialism. Together (01 figures) France and Germany had about 30% of US GDP. Perhaps a little larger than California. They just don't matter. Should California have it's own seat on the Security Council?

OTB

 

[Timberwolf]

Re: Re: Re: To Onthebottom

Timberwolf, you should take the complement.




OTB

Wow you are right on. I was going to accept the compliment in my original reply but forgot somehow. So I'll do it now. Thanks for the compliment Travellingguy. It makes me proud that people think I sound like an American. I must be doing something right.