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Hydrogen Generator article to add MPG to your Car/Truck?

herames

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WTF? ... i was looking at some vintage cars on Ebay for Sale and i saw one with a modifcation/addition of a Hydron Generator . Seems like a plug and play thing. I you pipe it into you are air box. and rumored to give you up words of 51% improvement in MPG. Some persons on youtube are showing how to make these yourself...somehow i think its bull shit to some degree. I hope i'm wrong.

http://www.savefuel.ca/hydrogen/
 

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I watched an episode of Mythbusters where they tested a hydrogen generator and it did nothing. This could be different but I doubt it.
 
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1) There's a big market for increasing fuel efficiency.
2) Credible companies aren't advertizing this on TV.

Conclusion?
 

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herames said:
WTF? ... i was looking at some vintage cars on Ebay for Sale and i saw one with a modifcation/addition of a Hydron Generator . Seems like a plug and play thing. I you pipe it into you are air box. and rumored to give you up words of 51% improvement in MPG. Some persons on youtube are showing how to make these yourself...somehow i think its bull shit to some degree. I hope i'm wrong.

http://www.savefuel.ca/hydrogen/
The ONLY time (AFAIK) that hydrogen injection would make sense is for diesel engines. This would be with an on-board reformer that produces dirty hydrogen that contains carbon monoxide in it. Surprisingly, the diesel engine would run cleaner. ArvinMeritor and M.I.T. worked on this technology in the past and have a commercial product out there.
 

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shakenbake said:
The ONLY time (AFAIK) that hydrogen injection would make sense is for diesel engines. This would be with an on-board reformer that produces dirty hydrogen that contains carbon monoxide in it. Surprisingly, the diesel engine would run cleaner. ArvinMeritor and M.I.T. worked on this technology in the past and have a commercial product out there.
http://www.water4gas.com/2books.htm
Seems this is getting popular...alot of people selling completed units online ...i found the Ebook without purchasing it(on Torrent). I guess the tinker/dyi would have fun making one from scratch.
 

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herames said:
http://www.water4gas.com/2books.htm
Seems this is getting popular...alot of people selling completed units online ...i found the Ebook without purchasing it(on Torrent). I guess the tinker/dyi would have fun making one from scratch.
I know that ArvinMeritor makes reformer units for diesel engines a sa commercial product. In Canada, Hydrogen For Injection and Dynafuels, both in Durham Region, make hydrogen generators for retrofit onto diesel engines. But, these units are aimed at reducing emissions more than they are atimed at increasing efficiencies (although there might be an increase in efficiency due to better combustion processes in diesel engines versus gasoline engines).

http://www.dynamicfuel.com/investor/index.php

http://www.chechfi.ca/sohfitech.htm

I have a hard time accepting that a 'tinkerer' would be successful making one from scratch, based on what is really required for a genuine hydrogen generator. That is, unless one tried to make the fake units out there.

While we are at it, what do you think about the pill that you are supposed to drop into your fuel tank to greatly improve fuel economy? This is another TGTBT product. They are trying to violate the laws of thermodynamics, and to promote a perpetual motion machine. Where does the energy to make the hydrogen come from?
 

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shakenbake said:
This is another TGTBT product. They are trying to violate the laws of thermodynamics, and to promote a perpetual motion machine. Where does the energy to make the hydrogen come from?
LOL!
What we need is something solid like that 'cold fusion' thingy....:cool:
 

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chechfi makes units that work. I know a fleet manager that uses them. And I've seen the results. You seem much better improvements with Diesel engines than with gas it seems. This isn't scam stuff, but I would doubt that they are as simple to build as some claim.

We put one of the units listed above in the links on our personal pick up truck and we do see an improvement of about 15%. Not earth shattering, but it helps.

They also have to be monitored and you have to be sure they are infact generating hydrogen when you are driving.

If you are the kind of person who can't keep up with keeping tires properly inflated and your fuel and air filters in good repair, then you shouldn't even be thinking about a Fractional Hydrogen Fuel Injection System as a way of improving your fuel economy.
 

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shakenbake said:
I have a hard time accepting that a 'tinkerer' would be successful making one from scratch, based on what is really required for a genuine hydrogen generator. That is, unless one tried to make the fake units out there.
this is a interesting read:
http://reviews.ebay.com/Hydrogen-Ge...-warning-and-guide_W0QQugidZ10000000005261775
http://reviews.ebay.com/Glass-Jar-Hydrogen-Generator-Ripoff_W0QQugidZ10000000007268958

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2-Ce...m14QQhashZitem260305979590QQitemZ260305979590
there is fuck all in materials ...best to use a proper Plymouth Filter housing and push connectors... must be a mob mentality for the follow of this units.
 

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Remo said:
chechfi makes units that work. I know a fleet manager that uses them. And I've seen the results. You seem much better improvements with Diesel engines than with gas it seems. This isn't scam stuff, but I would doubt that they are as simple to build as some claim.

We put one of the units listed above in the links on our personal pick up truck and we do see an improvement of about 15%. Not earth shattering, but it helps.

They also have to be monitored and you have to be sure they are infact generating hydrogen when you are driving.

If you are the kind of person who can't keep up with keeping tires properly inflated and your fuel and air filters in good repair, then you shouldn't even be thinking about a Fractional Hydrogen Fuel Injection System as a way of improving your fuel economy.
Remo;

That proves the point about diesel engines benifiting from the hydrogen injection. BTW, there is a feud between the two companies that I mentioned. They have been in litigation for patent infringement, if memory serves me correctly.

The ArvinMeritor thermal plasma reformer works, as well. However, it isn't just hydrogen that is produced, but a lot of carbon monoxide, as well. That is one of the components in town gas that came form coal gasification. CO is also present from the water shift gas reaction with hydrocarbons. The ArvinMeritor unit works off the engine power to produce the gas for injection and has been proven to work. After all, it was developed with the help of MIT. But, it is intended for diesle engines as far as I know.
 

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shakenbake said:
Oh my God, do you remember Fleishman and Pons, from the Portsmouth Group at the University of Southampton, back around 1990?
Yep, guess that just fizzled out......:D
 
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