How Doug Ford's political skills and baggage will affect his mayoral candidacy

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Doug Ford doesn't have the personal problems, but doesn't connect as well to voters, analysts say

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/how-d...e-will-affect-his-mayoral-candidacy-1.2764918

He's been Toronto Mayor Rob Ford's No. 1 defender, standing by his side, championing his policies, rationalizing or apologizing for his controversial behaviour.

But now, as his brother has dropped out of the mayoral race, Doug Ford will try to take his place, carry the banner, and see whether his own political skills and baggage will make him a viable or unsuccessful candidate.

"In some ways, Doug Ford's best hope and best positioning is that he's like his brother in politics and personality, but without the scandal and without the unquestionably poor judgment of a man who hasn't been in control of his life," Daniel Tisch, president of the Toronto-based public relations firm Argyle Communications, told CBC News

"The challenge though, is that he really is not the same as Rob Ford. He hasn't shown the same populist instincts, certainly. He certainly comes across as a bit of a pit bull in the way he communicates and I think that's going to be a challenge."

Before his brother dropped out of the race to deal with an abdominal tumour, Doug Ford had sworn off municipal politics, having no intention to run as a councillor in this year's Toronto election. But now, with roughly six weeks left, Doug Ford is back in the ring, going for the top job against mayoral candidates John Tory and Olivia Chow.

If political support is transferable through family, then Doug Ford, according to most polls, enters the race in second place, behind Tory who has a sizable lead, but slightly ahead of Chow. However, he also comes in with some built-in advantages over his brother.

'A Rob Ford with no personal baggage'

"We have a Rob Ford with no personal baggage," said Lorne ​Bozinoff, president of Forum Research, which has conducted regular polls of the mayoral race.

And that should allow him to draw much of the support among the so-called Ford Nation, and possibly attract those undecided voters who may have liked the mayor's policies but couldn't get past his personal behaviour.

"I think with Doug Ford, like him or hate him, you kind of have a sense on the policy, what you're going to get is still some bitter battles at council, but still a dogged determination to pursue the same policies," Mark Towhey, Rob Ford's former chief of staff, said on the Toronto news channel CP24.

When he entered municipal politics, Doug Ford was considered by some to be the more thoughtful of the two brothers, who would offer sage advice and exert a calming influence.

"In his favour, he seems like the more mature of the two. He comes across as a guy who can keep his temper a little bit better than his brother," said Dennis Pilon, an associate professor of political science at York University.

But Doug Ford also gained a reputation for being heavy handed, clashing with other councillors, and running into trouble for some comments he'd made. And although nothing reached the level of crack cocaine, he has been involved in his own share of controversies.

Last year, the Globe and Mail published a story accusing the councillor of dealing drugs as a teen. (Ford adamantly denied the charge.) He also came under fire when he suggested that a home which helps developmentally disabled youth in Etobicoke had “ruined” a neighbourhood.

Confrontation with police chief

And most recently, he was threatened with a defamation lawsuit by Toronto police Chief Bill Blair after Ford accused the chief of leaking information about Rob Ford's possible testimony in an extortion trial of the mayor's friend. (Doug Ford later apologized.)

"Doug looks better than Rob, he dresses better than rob, he's got a million-dollar smile," Towhey said. "He comes across much more polished than Rob. But the fact of the matter is, and I think you have to cut him a little slack, he's a rookie politician.

"He walked into city hall four years ago as if he had been in in politics all his life. He played a role next to the mayor but he was a brand-new councillor. He made a lot of rookie mistakes and I think he's still learning the ropes."

Doug Ford may also lack the mayor's folksy charm, and may not connect with voters like his brother.

"Part of the populist brand, the kind of cultural revolution that people like Rob Ford represent — I don’t know that Doug Ford embodies that in the same way that Rob Ford lived it, breathed it, was the poster boy for it," Pilon said.

But if the contest comes down to a race between Doug Ford and Tory, the eldest Ford may have an advantage over his sibling, ​Bozinoff said. Tory got a huge bump in the polls after the Board of Trade debate, in part, Bozinoff surmises, because Rob Ford didn't perform well among the corporate audience.

"I think that Doug would do better in a big business audience. I think he would counteract John Tory's big business, good administrator, get-things-done image," Bozinoff said.

And that might be significant when considering issues like transit.

"[There's] been a knock on whether Rob Ford can actually get things built and Doug may be more convincing at that."
 

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The game has changed in a number of ways.

-- Rob Ford's personal demons will likely disappear from the public debate. It will seem uncharitable to kick a guy who sought treatment (however reluctantly) and may now be fighting for his life.

-- The attention will turn to the Ford agenda -- cutting spending, respect for the taxpayer, etc. -- which is important for the Fords.

I'm honestly not sure how things are going to unfold. But it's conceivable that any of the three leading candidates could win this thing, including Doug Ford.
 

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I'm honestly not sure how things are going to unfold. But it's conceivable that any of the three leading candidates could win this thing, including Doug Ford.
There is 0 % chance that Doug will win and thank goodness for that.

He is vile.

I am a passionate opponent to Rob Ford but I can understand why some like him.
There's nothing to like about Doug.

I was cheering for Domise in Ward 2 (though that ward is so easily-manipulated that they were ready to vote in Mikey (who changed his name in order to run....who hasn't even finished college and who was protected from basic media interviews - my gawd!)

It's unfortunate that we will still have Rob in council but I do think council needs those extremes. We need extreme right wingers and extreme left wingers to keep things balanced. Rob was a good councilor.

I was ready to vote strategically. I was a huge Soknacki fan and now I intend to vote for Chow. With Doug in the race I don't feel that voting for Tory strategically is necessary.
 

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Doug's wife, Karla, is a "Competitive adult Cheerleader"?
I know family is usually off the table but when you parade them out................
Rob's issues may be off the table but Doug vigorously denied and defended them. He will be asked to explain that (as a matter of Character).

Doug is bombastic to say the least......this will be fun and will take many twists and turns.....

Doug could crash and burn BUT he could also take someone down with him.
 

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-- The attention will turn to the Ford agenda -- cutting spending, respect for the taxpayer, etc. -- which is important for the Fords.
Rob Ford, without Rob Ford. Therefore, the body double, Doug Ford, as a legitimate chance to win.

The issues, and kissing babies, those are the things a politician has to do to win.

At this stage of the race, we've passed the kissing babies part, time for policy discussions.

Out of the three current candidates, Olivia is the best at kissing babies, but the worst in policy, because they're rather like non-aclohlic beer. More buses, squarer street corners, the children, the poor, and the people left behind. That is not exactly going to get many people excited. The average voter will look at that and think, "what exactly is she doing here."

As we know, that platform has always won for her in her home riding, it is a winning formula. But in this election, it is a sure loser. Olivia's problem is she is just stuck in her old ways, she cannot learn any new tricks, and so far, anything else other than her home economics is completely alien to her. She is running the exact same campaign we have always seen from her. It is not working, but she still won't change. She won't, because she can't, she wouldn't know how to.

Ford Nation obviously would like to see Ford win.

But if Tory is mayor and adheres to a Ford-like agenda, and he is on record saying he would contract out the rest of the garbage collection, then this is not a bad outcome for Ford Nation, if Rob Ford can return.

It seems to me, although we do not know who will be mayor, chances are it will be a white male, and that the rest of the city kind of knows that, and knows what to expect.

Going forward with the campaign, it will be Olivia's boring campaign, pitted against two guys who might be willing to prove who is more right wing such as taxes or privatization, or who will build more subways.
 

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More buses, squarer street corners, the children, the poor, and the people left behind. That is not exactly going to get many people excited.
I would hate to have anyone think that you're opposed to helping the children, the poor, and the people left behind (which may include poor children). But I understand your point.

Chow isn't really saying what she would do to help those people, merely that she cares an awful lot. I heard one of her radio ads yesterday, where she said she was going to address youth joblessness.

That's an important issue. But there was no indication of what she would do to tackle youth unemployment and underemployment, and I doubt she actually knows.

http://www.torontosun.com/2014/07/27/olivia-chows-grasp-of-toronto-issues-weak-at-best
 

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I would hate to have anyone think that you're opposed to helping the children, the poor, and the people left behind (which may include poor children). But I understand your point.

Chow isn't really saying what she would do to help those people, merely that she cares an awful lot. I heard one of her radio ads yesterday, where she said she was going to address youth joblessness.

That's an important issue. But there was no indication of what she would do to tackle youth unemployment and underemployment, and I doubt she actually knows.

http://www.torontosun.com/2014/07/27/olivia-chows-grasp-of-toronto-issues-weak-at-best
She discussed making govt contracted services contingant on the business hiring young people and or apprentices.

If she is discussing construction/trades then good luck trying to tell the unions how many apprentices they have to have on the job.

Personally I would prefer they hire the BEST for the job.
 

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I would hate to have anyone think that you're opposed to helping the children, the poor, and the people left behind (which may include poor children). But I understand your point.
Yes, you are correct. The word here I believe I should have used - disconnect.

There is a real disconnect in my post. What I should have wrote was that Olivia's platform is a war against poverty.

So that word, disconnect, can be applied to her campaign as well.

She's talking about a war on poverty, and the average voter in this city, may be concerned with garbage collection, or taxes on their house, or potholes.

I mean, I do not know where her campaign is going. I think voters are really puzzled too.

War on poverty? I do not know why she thinks the entire city is interested in that.

And yes, as you pointed out, what is the plan for Olivia to fight the war on poverty.

The war on poverty campaign can really backfire, because what if the voter concludes that this war on poverty is really all about pet projects, which are abundant at City Hall.

Will Doug Ford attack her that way in the debate. He should. Should be fun to watch. I might even watch myself, hehe.

:eyebrows:
 

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It's easy to understand and to put in simple words. Doug Ford does not get along with the Premiere = nothing done for the city.
 

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There is 0 % chance that Doug will win and thank goodness for that.

He is vile.
Doug Ford - Machiavellian, and no manners.

John Tory - Machiavellian, but has manners. (big difference) (same difference to some)

Olivia - hates Machiavelli, will try to save the world instead.

Sarah Thompson - who's Machiavelli? Wasn't he Tupac friend?
 

Polaris

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It's easy to understand and to put in simple words. Doug Ford does not get along with the Premiere = nothing done for the city.
Look who still is in power in Ottawa.

Guess who was demanding infrastructure monies from Ottawa last month.

Simple as that!

:hippie:
 

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2015 will change that.
It might, then again it might not.

Not sure why you guys are always so sure that the conservative will be trounced.

Even in this city, one bona fide right winger in Doug Ford, and what appears to be a right winger in John Tory, going at it to be mayor.

Regardless, I think Toronto will get a lot more infrastructure money.

If it is from that Nerd Harper, he will hand it directly to the ring wing mayor. If it from that Hippie Trudeau, he will hand to Wynne and she will hand it to Toronto, after taking out some of it to do something else, that's how those Liberals work.

This election campaign will be very interesting, because Doug Ford will think of a way to really attack golden boy John Tory.
 

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Voting John Tory as much as I like Olivia. Tory is more likely to get along with Wynne then Ford and gets us funding.
 
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