How 30,000 became 700 or why you should wait until you have the facts

[train]

Seems the Election Canada is really only invesigating 700 complaints as the rest appear to be, dare I say it, Robo-Complaints

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-similar-robo-call-complaints/article2370681/


While there may yet be evidence of sigificant wrong doing let's wait for the facts first as it would appear that we don't have them all yet.

(Look like a bit of an idiot now don't you wigglee et al)

 

[blackrock13]

Seems the Election Canada is really only invesigating 700 complaints as the rest appear to be, dare I say it, Robo-Complaints

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-similar-robo-call-complaints/article2370681/


While there may yet be evidence of sigificant wrong doing let's wait for the facts first as it would appear that we don't have them all yet.

(Look like a bit of an idiot now don't you wigglee)

It's more like 30,000 CONTACTS, which is what EC has always said, turns into 700 INVESTIGATIONS.

You can say it, but EC didn't say that, nor are most people aren't. They've just taken the ones which are most creditable and most serious. It doesn't mean they haven't dismissed the remainders.

 

[fuji]

"Only" 700.

You should be glad they put out the number 30k previously because that is the only way anyone would think 700 complaints isn't evidence of systematic corruption.

How many years in jail is Pierre Poutine going to get for 700 counts of electoral fraud?

 

[train]

It's more like 30,000 CONTACTS, which is what EC has always said, turns into 700 INVESTIGATIONS.

You can say it, but EC didn't say that, nor are most people aren't. They've just taken the ones which are most creditable and most serious. It doesn't mean they haven't dismissed the remainders.

Look I understand that you don't want to read things carefully and understand the meaning of the information in the article. He did say that most of the 30,000 contacts were form letters from activist groups. If you aren't going to bother to try and comprehend why bother to comment?

Here maybe this direct excerpt will help

Elections Canada has had 31,000 “contacts” from Canadians in recent weeks on robo-calls.

But the agency has revealed the majority were form letters rather than specific complaints.

I also refuse to make the same mistake you bufoons have made but in the opposite direction. There may yet be signficant guilt when all the facts are known, but we don't know them yet. 700 complaints from individuals seems like a fair number but the Liberals won the Guelph riding by well over 6,000 votes so it didn't practically change the out come of that riding.

 

[oldjones]

Seems the Election Canada is really only invesigating 700 complaints as the rest appear to be, dare I say it, Robo-Complaints

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-similar-robo-call-complaints/article2370681/


While there may yet be evidence of sigificant wrong doing let's wait for the facts first as it would appear that we don't have them all yet.

(Look like a bit of an idiot now don't you wigglee et al)

Don't be silly. Had you read the stories with the 30K number you'd have long ago known that that was their total of complaints. So it included people complaining they didn't get a VIC card, or that the DRO was rude, the pencil was broken, or that the poll wasn't open to suit their commuting schedule. as well as more serious stuff like people trying to mislead them about where they should vote.

You never really believed there were 31,000 complaints about robo-calls alone, did you? 'Cause that surplus NYC suspension bridge is on special this week. PM me w/ yr offer.

But we do know that our Harper Government is doing nothing about investigating or coming up with accurate numbers. Too busy cutting Tunnel to the Islands ribbons and backpedalling on jet-fighters perhaps. Elections Canada's highly trained and numerous forensic election auditors will have to carry that ball. And getting back to the bridge sale, of course we know their budget's been increased because of all the In and Out Detective work, and now this don't we. <irony tag for the literal minded>

 

[blackrock13]

Look I understand that you don't want to read things carefully and understand the meaning of the information in the article. He did say that most of the 30,000 contacts were form letters from activist groups. If you aren't going to bother to try and comprehend why bother to comment?

Here maybe this direct excerpt will help

I also refuse to make the same mistake you bufoons have made but in the opposite direction. There may yet be signficant guilt when all the facts are known, but we don't know them yet. 700 complaints from individuals seems like a fair number but the Liberals won the Guelph riding by well over 6,000 votes so it didn't practically change the out come of that riding.

I had little doubt that many of the 30,000 were weak, contrived, and questionable and that's why EC said from the start they were 'contacts', but as said earlier, I guess you're okay with EC investigating 'ONLY' 700 substantive complaints, when in the past three election over 1200 complaints in total were received.

 

[fuji]

700 complaints from individuals seems like a fair number but the Liberals won the Guelph riding by well over 6,000 votes so it didn't practically change the out come of that riding.

What percentage of robocall victims do you think would actually bother to file a complaint with EC. Do you think it's more or less than 1 in 100?

 

[wigglee]

We are largely going on what elections canada is releasing and they are not very open or candid. From what we are seeing so far, this is not going away and looks to be a nationwide conservative strategy of election fraud. I guess we'll soon see how skilled Harper is at trying to stall the investigation process til after the next election, or grasping at straws that indicate the other guys were doing it too. Or will he feign ignorance and blame it all on the rogues Pierre Poutine and the guy from Guelph?

 

[JohnLarue]

We are largely going on what elections canada is releasing and they are not very open or candid. From what we are seeing so far, this is not going away and looks to be a nationwide conservative strategy of election fraud. I guess we'll soon see how skilled Harper is at trying to stall the investigation process til after the next election, or grasping at straws that indicate the other guys were doing it too. Or will he feign ignorance and blame it all on the rogues Pierre Poutine and the guy from Guelph?

Yeah OK
No basis on your part at all
Time will tell if there is the issue you want, here.
If there is, then the severest penalty should be applied to protect the integrity of the election process.

Most rational, objective people will just wait to see what develops before assigning fault, blame and looking for a tree to hang someone from

 

[fuji]

The most likely outcome is that the party brass approved a campaign of reprehensible but LEGAL dirty tricks, and some local functionaries took it over the line. That's what I'll bet on.

There are a variety of voter suppression techniques using robocalls that are legal. Reprehensible, but legal. I bet the party brass approved that, but that it was local level people who turned it into electoral fraud by impersonating Elections Canada.

 

[groggy]

700 complaints probably means 10-100 times as many infractions. I would hazard a guess that even 10% of people experiencing fraudulent calls reported to elections canada, probably closer to 2-3%.

The Globe has a couple of articles tonight making it look very much like its the conservatives they are focusing on for the investigation.

 

[JohnLarue]

700 complaints probably means 10-100 times as many infractions. I would hazard a guess that even 10% of people experiencing fraudulent calls reported to elections canada, probably closer to 2-3%.

The Globe has a couple of articles tonight making it look very much like its the conservatives they are focusing on for the investigation.

I suggest you wait until you have facts before you guess any further

Probably

hazard a guess

probably

look very much like

A lot of speculation there
If there is truth to the matter it will come out and Harper will pay dearly.
Until then all you really have is your prejudice against the conservatives, which was readily apparent before anyone heard of Robo-calls

 

[Possum Trot]

You never really believed there were 31,000 complaints about robo-calls alone, did you? 'Cause that surplus NYC suspension bridge is on special this week. PM me w/ yr offer.

I didn't believe there was 31,000 but groggy,wigglee, fuju and blackrock obviously did. Oh and I never heard you disputing it either...lol. No one wanted to be confused by the facts or wait for the result of the inquiry.

Typical.

 

[groggy]

I suggest you wait until you have facts before you guess any further


A lot of speculation there
If there is truth to the matter it will come out and Harper will pay dearly.
Until then all you really have is your prejudice against the conservatives, which was readily apparent before anyone heard of Robo-calls

What I'm commenting on is the article in today's Globe:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/robo-calls-warrant-huge-investigation-former-harper-aide-says/article2372338/

In it there are a few things they note.
Elections Canada is looking at the conservative database and all who could access it.
The people who were targets of the fraudulent calls were also called by the conservative party asking for their affiliation.

What we don't know is the true number of people who were called across the country, and unless elections canada actually gets the files and reports from the company that did the robocalls, we'll be guessing how big the fraud was.

But its still fraud, and all info points to the conservatives at this time.

 

[JohnLarue]

What I'm commenting on is the article in today's Globe:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/robo-calls-warrant-huge-investigation-former-harper-aide-says/article2372338/

In it there are a few things they note.
Elections Canada is looking at the conservative database and all who could access it.
The people who were targets of the fraudulent calls were also called by the conservative party asking for their affiliation.

What we don't know is the true number of people who were called across the country, and unless elections canada actually gets the files and reports from the company that did the robocalls, we'll be guessing how big the fraud was.

But its still fraud, and all info points to the conservatives at this time.

I will wait and see before passing judgement

 

[blackrock13]

I will wait and see before passing judgement

What fun is that? Members do it all the time here on TERB.

 

[blackrock13]

I didn't believe there was 31,000 but groggy,wigglee, fuju and blackrock obviously did. Oh and I never heard you disputing it either...lol. No one wanted to be confused by the facts or wait for the result of the inquiry.

Typical.

It's been stated a number of times in posts they were 'contacts' as clearly stated by EC from the starts, but I guess you missed that.

 

[wigglee]

I will wait and see before passing judgement

and Harper is banking on you waiting til after the next election....

 

[wigglee]

The most likely outcome is that the party brass approved a campaign of reprehensible but LEGAL dirty tricks, and some local functionaries took it over the line. That's what I'll bet on.

There are a variety of voter suppression techniques using robocalls that are legal. Reprehensible, but legal. I bet the party brass approved that, but that it was local level people who turned it into electoral fraud by impersonating Elections Canada.

quite possible, but if so, the cons definitely know by now exactly who did what, and are now in cover up mode, and seeking a counter attack or a diversion.

 

[JohnLarue]

and Harper is banking on you waiting til after the next election....

Well you are banking on just opposite
Sensationalism to promote mistrust so you can push a left leaning agenda forward

No, lets wait and see.
If the conservatives have dirt under their fingernails they will pay
Left or right is not as important as preserving the integrity of the election process