Hong Kong proposes new mechanism to allow Beijing to exercise jurisdiction over nsl

[40micmic]

50 years of autonony they said...

Hong Kong authorities have proposed establishing a mechanism to allow mainland China to exercise jurisdiction over national security cases, building on an article in the Beijing-imposed national security law stating that “complex” cases can be prosecuted across the border.

HK floats mechanism to allow Beijing to exercise jurisdiction over nat. sec cases

HK authorities have proposed establishing a mechanism to allow Beijing to exercise jurisdiction over national security cases.

hongkongfp.com

 

[nottyboi]

Well USA tried people in GITMO and is deporting people to El Salvador.....

 

[40micmic]

Nice whataboutism.

Anyways, promises made, promises broken by the CCP.

- enacting national security laws
- banning pro democracy political parties
- only having beijing approved candidates to run in elections
- restricting freedom of press

As a result, it has destroyed one of Asia international economic hubs and reduced it to a paper tiger, its freedom house score is at 40 (comparatively canada is at 97), it has jailed political dissidents, bookstore owners, pro democracy advocates, journalists, etc.

 

[oil&gas]

Society in Hong Kong have become more peaceful since national
security laws were introduced. You can now find some of the yellow
crowd vacationing happily in Shenzhen. People are free to leave HK
if they don't like the laws there which only a small minority would
complain about.

 

[40micmic]

"More peaceful" is pretty subjective. Hong kong has always had low crime rates like many places in east asia. But lets look at some stats that might be a good indication of how hong kongers feel about society now.

- record low voter turnout in most recent election (27%)
- mass exodus of hong kong residents since 2021 (500k)
- immigration is mainly from mainland chinese into hong kong (they account for 95%)
- happiness index has dropped for 5 years in a row (it now sits in 88th and was 64th in 2013)
- more ppl in hong kong view china (48%) as a major threat vs the usa (37%)

I suspect these numbers would be even less favourable if hong kongers werent threatened by national security laws. You cant even commemorate the tiananmen square massacre in hong kong anymore.

 

[oil&gas]

"More peaceful" is pretty subjective. Hong kong has always had low crime rates like many places in east asia. But lets look at some stats that might be a good indication of how hong kongers feel about society now.

Rioting resulting in destruction of public properties in subway
stations and traffic lights is now a thing of the past. Remember
the guy who was lit on fire because he was in disagreement with
the yellow rioters? It is not subjective to say HK overall is more
peaceful since the yellow scums were pacified.

- record low voter turnout in most recent election (27%)

Is that a concern to us in Canada?

- mass exodus of hong kong residents since 2021 (500k)

If you truly know the character of HKongers you should understand
why they like to emigrate to wherever easy path to permanet
residency offered. Many of them have been lured by promises of
citizenship from Taiwan, the UK and Canada. I personally know a HK couple
who couldn't wait to settle in the UK taking advantage of the 5+1 scheme
for BNO migrants The guy who attended the same university with
me in Ontario visited HK twice for vacationing so far and plan to visit regularly
until he obtains UK citizenship. You will see the beginning of return of a substantial
fraction of BNO migrants to HK in a few years. It is just like HK landed immigrants
in Canada who generally prefer to spend the years after
they obtained citizenship and before they are qualified for old age
benefit in Canada back in HK.

I don't have the statistics but I've been told migrants to Taiwan
returning to HK is not uncommon. Remember the (24?) folks escaping
to Taiwan seeking political asylum? I've not followed their news but
as far as I know they already vanished. Taiwan does not welcome
yellow rioters they consider to be potential menace to their society.

- immigration is mainly from mainland chinese into hong kong (they account for 95%)
- happiness index has dropped for 5 years in a row (it now sits in 88th and was 64th in 2013)
- more ppl in hong kong view china (48%) as a major threat vs the usa (37%)

Happiness of people in HK and their perception of the threat of the PRC
to the world bears little to zero relevance to world politics.

I suspect these numbers would be even less favourable if hong kongers werent threatened by national security laws. You cant even commemorate the tiananmen square massacre in hong kong anymore.

I think it is commemoraton of Tiannanmen in the requested location
that was denied. I don't think you will be arrested for holding
the commemoration privately. If I ever visit HK I won't feel inhibited
talking about Tiananmen.

 

[40micmic]

Rioting resulting in destruction of public properties in subway
stations and traffic lights is now a thing of the past. Remember
the guy who was lit on fire because he was in disagreement with
the yellow rioters? It is not subjective to say HK overall is more
peaceful since the yellow scums were pacified

You fail to provide a bit of context regarding the culmination of events prior to the construction worker being set on fire in 2019.

Here is a bit of a history lesson for you that you may not have read on your CCP propaganda sources. Hong Kong has had two huge pro-democracy movements in the past decade, the Umbrella movement in 2014 and the Anti-Extradition protests in 2019/2020. The umbrella movement was sparked by the PRC decision to restrict candidates for HK elections to only approved Beijing candidates and demanding more transparent elections. The protest was largely non violent but got its name (originally called Occupy Central) after HK police used tear gas and excessive force to disperse the protestors. These protests/sit ins went on for about 3 months and it ended with many of the pro-democracy leaders being silenced, exiled or jailed.

The 2019 protests were sparked by Beijing’s proposal for extradition laws and the PRC tightening grip on HK even though they were guaranteed autonomy for 50 years. For the first 3 months of these protests were also largely non violent and gaining huge support with estimates ranging from 300k to 1mil people attending. It turned more violent after several incidents of police brutality, i.e. the Prince Edward Station Attack and the Yuen Long attack, the death of a student, Chow Tsz-Lok and the lack of a comprehensive investigation into his death. So while the incident with the construction worker was a tragedy (he survived), and the offenders deserve to be brought to justice, the protests had reached a boiling point with authorities.

It is awfully misguided to say that HK is overall more peaceful and trying to use these 2 events as the baseline of how life and crime was in Hong Kong vs now. In fact, in 2024, violent crime went up in HK and even though the “yellow scums have been pacified.

 

[40micmic]

Is that a concern to us in Canada?

Highest turnout in 2019 in district elections with 71% of registered voters for hong kong. Compare this to 27% in 2023. I’m not sure how any one looks at this without concern, especially when in 2019, pro-democracy candidates achieved a landslide victory but most of the elected candidates were removed either by resigning or were disqualified over the next 2 years due to NSL and Beijing now requiring all candidates be approved by them in the next election. I wonder why voter turnout is so low in Hong Kong now? Obviously, confidence in free and democratic elections has been eroded.

By comparison, Canada’s last election had about 70% voter turnout.

 

[40micmic]

If you truly know the character of HKongers you should understand
why they like to emigrate to wherever easy path to permanet
residency offered. Many of them have been lured by promises of
citizenship from Taiwan, the UK and Canada. I personally know a HK couple
who couldn't wait to settle in the UK taking advantage of the 5+1 scheme
for BNO migrants The guy who attended the same university with
me in Ontario visited HK twice for vacationing so far and plan to visit regularly
until he obtains UK citizenship. You will see the beginning of return of a substantial
fraction of BNO migrants to HK in a few years. It is just like HK landed immigrants
in Canada who generally prefer to spend the years after
they obtained citizenship and before they are qualified for old age
benefit in Canada back in HK.

I don't have the statistics but I've been told migrants to Taiwan
returning to HK is not uncommon. Remember the (24?) folks escaping
to Taiwan seeking political asylum? I've not followed their news but
as far as I know they already vanished. Taiwan does not welcome
yellow rioters they consider to be potential menace to their society.

I’m not sure where you get this generalization of Hong Kongers emigrated abroad to find places with the easiest path to citizenship. According to surveys, 99% of Hong Kongers who have emigrated to the UK since 2021 have said they have no plans of returning to HK. Returning back to HK was a trend back in the 80s and 90s, but there is simply no data to back up this up recently. It actually contradicts your claims. As for as I know, many HK dissidents have made Taiwan their home even though Taiwan does not have a political asylum law. The most famous being Lam King Wee, a HK bookstore owner who fled HK because he sold books that contradicts CCP narratives.

Hong Kongers reflect on Taiwan, an imperfect exile

TAIPEI, Taiwan (AP) — For Lam Wing-kee, a Hong Kong bookstore owner who was detained by police in China for five months for selling sensitive books about the Communist Party, coming to Taiwan was a logical step.

apnews.com

I also know a few hong kongers who were my university classmates in the early 2000s. Many of whom have visited HK often but dont have any plans to return there in the near future.

 

[richaceg]

Well USA tried people in GITMO and is deporting people to El Salvador.....

You simply have no grasp on how communism work...totally different on how democracy works...
Who the fuck are they deporting to El Salvador?

 

[40micmic]

Happiness of people in HK and their perception of the threat of the PRC
to the world bears little to zero relevance to world politics.

I’d argue this has a lot of relevance in today’s geopolitics. In 2020, Taiwan voted for the DPP for its 2nd straight term and a large part of its victory was in response to the HK protests and the PRC’s continually restricting of freedoms once under their rule. China is promoting unification with Taiwan and promising a similar administrative rule to HK’s “One Country, Two Systems” and the Taiwanese citizens rejected this by elected DPP again who stand for Taiwanese national sovereignty and identity. In 2024, Taiwan elected the DPP for an unprecedented 3rd term. If China were take Taiwan, this would have devasting effects on the modern global economy and stability in the Far East.

 

[40micmic]

I think it is commemoraton of Tiannanmen in the requested location
that was denied. I don't think you will be arrested for holding
the commemoration privately. If I ever visit HK I won't feel inhibited
talking about Tiananmen.

Here is a quick AI summary of Tiananmen Square vigils or memorials. Why is it so necessary for the CCP to hide the truth from its citizens and the world?


No, large-scale public Tiananmen Square memorials are not currently permitted in Hong Kong. The Hong Kong government, under the influence of the National Security Law, has effectively outlawed public commemorations of the June Fourth incident, leading to the removal of memorials and the suppression of events.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
• National Security Law:
The implementation of the National Security Law in Hong Kong in 2020 has made public commemoration of Tiananmen Square a "clear national security red line".
• Suppression of Public Events:
Public gatherings and memorials, including the annual vigil in Victoria Park, have been banned or severely restricted.
• Removal of Memorials:
Physical memorials, such as the Pillar of Shame, have been removed from public spaces.
• Limited Private Commemoration:
While official public events are banned, some people still find ways to privately commemorate the event, often with veiled references or symbolic acts.
• International Attention:
The suppression of these commemorations has drawn international attention and criticism.

 

[richaceg]

I lived in HK 1993 to 1997...under UK...then came back 2003 to visit some friends...It was great during the 90s... when I came back..it's business as usual on the surface but there is some tension rising.... I had a lot of memories in HK that's where my father died...we lived in the New Territories and I used to walk my father by the water...such a beautiful place morning and night...

 

[40micmic]

I lived in HK 1993 to 1997...under UK...then came back 2003 to visit some friends...It was great during the 90s... when I came back..it's business as usual on the surface but there is some tension rising.... I had a lot of memories in HK that's where my father died...we lived in the New Territories and I used to walk my father by the water...such a beautiful place morning and night...

My classmates speak very fondly of hong kong and have such great memories. But they know its not the same as before

 

[nottyboi]

You simply have no grasp on how communism work...totally different on how democracy works...
Who the fuck are they deporting to El Salvador?

All kinds of people with no due process. Look at all the innocent people they grabbed and left to rot for decades and GITMO. How different is it. Van comes, grabs you and sends you to torture chamber.

 

[Frankfooter]

All kinds of people with no due process. Look at all the innocent people they grabbed and left to rot for decades and GITMO. How different is it. Van comes, grabs you and sends you to torture chamber.

Rich would likely be on one those lists too.
still he votes for the leopard's eat my face party