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High Priced SP's

Ulan Bator

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I have been hobbying in various degrees since 1997 and have always wondered what kind of experience I'd have with an SP who charges what could be termed 'high' hourly rates (eg. a lady charging over $350.00/hour). I've thought about it but have backed away -- not because I'm overly cheap but because of several important points.

Firstly,what am I getting from a high priced SP as opposed to one whose rates are more middle of the road, say $300.00 and less? We all know that there are plenty of beautiful, classy ladies out there with great bodies and great attitudes who provide excellent service. Why should one charge more per hour than another? To me, the only way I would consider the higher priced lady would be if she had some kind of notoriety or some sort of fame or recognition that would be worth the premium. A porn star, or a lady who was a centrefold model or who has posed for the cover of a well known magazine would be good examples. Forgive me for saying this but a lady who could charge a high hourly rate for her notoriety would be, say, Karla Homolka, if she was an SP. I'm sure a lot of men would love an hour with her and even at a premium rate. If an SP simply offers herself as 'stunningly beautiful' or 'extremely sexy and selective' etc. well, to me, that's just not enough. You can get that anywhere.

Secondly, the higher the hourly rate, the less YMMV should be a factor. Conversly, the lower the rate, the more important YMMV becomes. If a high priced lady describes herself as selective or in the business strictly by choice or who openly states in her website that YMMV is important to her, I say, avoid, avoid, avoid. YMMV should not be an issue and a premium priced lady who is vague about the services she offers could mean poor value for money spent. It could also mean that the lady in question is charging a higher rate because she is not comfortable working as an SP and in order to reconcile her work with her insecurities, she's going to call herself 'a premium priced' lady even though she has little reason to do so. Personally, I only wish to see ladies who enjoy their work, are secure about themselves and reasonable in their financial expectations.

Thirdly, some clients may pay premium rates in order to get an ego boost because they can 'afford' the higher priced lady. But unless there is a compelling reason to pay double the rate for services that are no better or worse than those offered by other, less expensive ladies, your ego might get a boost but so will your stupidity. No matter how much money we hobbyists have available, I believe most of us want good value for dollars spent. If a high priced SP finds this reasoning objectionable or considers a hobbyist a loser for this kind of thinking, she is just trying to shame him and play on his ego. Not engaging the services of a high priced lady when there is no reason for me to do so doesn't mean I'm a loser. People, no matter what they are buying, always look for good value and the ones who don't look for good value are actually the real losers.

Finally, high priced SP's tend to discourage clients posting reviews and protect themselves with the 'no review policy'. Some are quite vociferous when it comes to review boards like TERB. This is another reason for caution. I don't believe any high priced ladies do this in order to take advantage of clients or to cover up bad service but I do believe they do this because they don't want word getting out that their services are no better than any other SP's. With so many wonderful ladies offering PSE and GFE experiences, the higher priced ladies don't want hobbyists comparing notes and seeing where exactly the value is.

To conclude, I've learned it is important to know what precisely you are paying for and to have good reason to pay what you are considering paying. Clear and logical thinking will protect you from disappointment and unfulfilling encounters and will hopefully ensure satisfaction with money spent.
 

Ulan Bator

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As I said in my post, I have backed away from high priced ladies. I will see one if there is good reason to see one and their rate is justified. If I don't feel it is, I won't and I haven't found one who is worth it just yet. What works for me, maybe won't work for you. How you want to spend your money is your business. I'm just offering my two bits.
 

The Lurker

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Another point to consider is, don't go by looks or price alone. Just because a woman is a former porn star doesn't mean you will get that level of action or you could keep up it if it is . And just because a woman is 10 out of 10 doesn't mean she has any skill or is interesting to be with.

Reviews may help, but there are lots of opportunities on this and other sites to actually talk with these ladies. You will be surprised at where you may want to spend your money in the future.
 

great bear

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Met great women in all the price ranges. But a rule of thumb which I've found to be fairly true is the higher the rate the better the afternoon. Ladies that tend to charge more also tend to see less customers. Not a golden rule but a general rule.
 

Ulan Bator

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enduser1 said:
http://www.jetsetblog.com/about.html


$10,000.00 a day

I would prefer the $5,000.00 lunch
This proves my point exactly. This lady has some measure of fame/notoriety that allows her to expect this kind of fee. In that case (if I had the money), it might be a real blast to party naked with a lady like this.:)
 

Keebler Elf

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The fun isn't paying an SP a high rate. The fun (and challenge!) is getting the same service other guys are paying through the nose for, but for a fraction of the price. :D
 

shawnbg

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Ulan Bator said:
Firstly,what am I getting from a high priced SP as opposed to one whose rates are more middle of the road, say $300.00 and less?
In my experience, usually just a better then average looking escort with less mileage, but this is a generalization and not always the case. The girls with higher rates generally see less clients per day. If you do your homework you can find an equal or better looking girl with low mileage and\or better service, but it's a lot of trial, error and research.

Ulan Bator said:
Secondly, the higher the hourly rate, the less YMMV should be a factor. Conversly, the lower the rate, the more important YMMV becomes.
Again, in my experience, yes and no. I think some girls that charge higher rates ($350+\hr) feel responsible to try to earn it, because they know you're paying a lot of money. Others could care less and feel they're worth the extra price because of their looks. Either way, YMMV will almost always play a role.

Ulan Bator said:
Thirdly, some clients may pay premium rates in order to get an ego boost because they can 'afford' the higher priced lady. But unless there is a compelling reason to pay double the rate for services that are no better or worse than those offered by other, less expensive ladies, your ego might get a boost but so will your stupidity.
I don't, but I don't mind paying extra if I knew I was going to get a looking girl and if I'm not happy with her, I can just call back the agency and get a no charge replacement. This is why I liked Cachet for many years, but I'm not too happy with them anymore and haven't used them much recently.


Ulan Bator said:
Finally, high priced SP's tend to discourage clients posting reviews and protect themselves with the 'no review policy'. Some are quite vociferous when it comes to review boards like TERB.
To conclude, I've learned it is important to know what precisely you are paying for and to have good reason to pay what you are considering paying. Clear and logical thinking will protect you from disappointment and unfulfilling encounters and will hopefully ensure satisfaction with money spent.
Some do. Some don't. You generalize a lot though. I would guess that more of the higher priced SP's are more cognizant of reviews and would prefer guys who didn't frequent the review boards, because of a few reasons below. These are generalizations also, but from the perspective of some SP's that I've talked too.

1) Guys on review boards are more knowledgable about SP's and probably see more SP's then most which is a turn off for many
2) Guys who spend spend their time reading escort review boards could probably never find a civilian woman
3) Guys on review boards are less private and may post a public review of them (good or bad)
4) Guys on review boards are generally cheaper and looking for a bargain
5) Guys on review boards may not respect YMMV, because they read someone else got something and then they feel pressured to do things they don't want to

My advice, if you're worried about YMMV, forget about spending more money and just find a well reviewed girl who usually offers standard services to everyone, there's plenty of them.
 

Vancouver Femme Fatale

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1) Guys on review boards are more knowledgable about SP's and probably see more SP's then most which is a turn off for many
2) Guys who spend spend their time reading escort review boards could probably never find a civilian woman
3) Guys on review boards are less private and may post a public review of them (good or bad)
4) Guys on review boards are generally cheaper and looking for a bargain
5) Guys on review boards may not respect YMMV, because they read someone else got something and then they feel pressured to do things they don't want to
Not twenty minutes ago I revised my website to reflect I no longer want reviews. Of course there are always exceptions, but I feel that the divide between UTR and Board culture clients is getting wider. Most boards, and board guys are just fine, but those that aren't cause so much damage and ill will as to make reviews more trouble than they're worth once you've established a decent reputation.

As more and more ladies ditch the review aspect, our UTR clients will become a much bigger part of how we do business. Multi-hour appointments, in my experience are much more common, and more of them become regulars.

I've been saying for ages that the review board system, with its amazing potential for misuse, was going to have a limited life span, and I've really started to see the beginning of the end of their present form in the last six months or so. I think they'll be around in some form or another, but I see them becoming very much more social/political forums rather than review forums.

It's a shame they don't work better for providers and clients alike; I think it's just the nature of the beast.
 

Keebler Elf

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Nah, the review boards aren't going anywhere. It's just the people in the know communicate via PM/email instead of posting out in the open.
 

Svend

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Vancouver Femme Fatale said:
It's a shame they don't work better for providers and clients alike; I think it's just the nature of the beast.
There's plenty of room for improvement, but review boards are the only thing to ensure guy don't get ripped off and give escorts a sense of the big picture to market themselves better. It's too bad that escorts can't fully utilise the power of TERB, but then it wouldn't be a review board.
I wouldn't gamble and visit anyone with a NRP, but I'm sincerely glad you are successful enough to market yourself to the wider crowd out there and not depend on people like me.
 

Vancouver Femme Fatale

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Honestly? The boards are a minor part of the industry. They don't represent the big picture. I know that nobody on a board community will believe that, but when I mention review board to my clients, 80% of the time, they have no idea what the hell I'm talking about.

Review boards are important to their members, not to clients or prospective clients in general. They serve the needs of a specific type of hobbiest, meaning the perception of Board guys as to what clients need/want/expect might be gospel on the Boards, but unimportant, or even odd to the majority of the people I see.

They serve a function for providers starting out; a way to learn the basics as far as advertising, pricing, all the damn acronyms; nuts and bolts stuff. But after a certain point, a review of the 18th time some dude "plowed her wet pussy til she had the big"O" gets a little old for providers, especially once they figure out that a lot of the multi-hour clients really don't want to read about the last 18 plowboys. They have the kind of income that means taking on the unknown is an adventure; they don't want a damn map or consumer report when they go off swashbuckling.

They also don't see it as strictly unknown if the provider has a decent website. They don't assume providers are all potential liars and thieves, and that the only obviously trustworthy people in the equation are other guys. I find that attitude comes up way more often with Board guys, and after awhile the trepidation, and, in some cases, downright paranoia, gets tedious as hell.

And I know guys get ripped off. I'm not disputing that. But I've never ripped anyone off, and it gets to be a bit much to be in an atmosphere of suspicion all the time.

I'm not saying it's fair, but in my experience there's a lot less of that with guys who don't have to worry so much about money. When the adventure is much more important than any dollar figure it becomes a whole different world, and public review boards really aren't part of it.

I'm rambling on now, but I swear there's a point in there somewhere :)
 

WhaWhaWha

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Points well taken VFF. I understand the potential for misuse of the system -- mostly by guys who don't even hobby. But the inverse of your statsitic can be said of the service providers -- that 80 percent of them know about the review system. A large percentage of them consent to reviews because they see it as a means to get their name known, without considering the potential for negative press. A smaller percentage take part like yourself by logging in, responding to reviews, and even sharing information for the benefit of the clients and other service providers.

For me it has become the great equalizer. A secure haven filled with lots of safe options that enable me to hobby with variety and a certain assurance that I am not going to encounter the same level of cheating that is so prevalent in this industry. Bait and switch. 20-minute hours. Upselling. Charging for trasportation after the fee changes hands and before the service begins. It's all happened to me. if I could have half the money back that I gave away for nothing before finding this board, I could support this hobby for a decade. Right now I would rather take my chances with a dating scene, than the unreviewed hobbying scene.

As for whether the high priced girls are worth it, I've said it before and I'll say it again. There are no high priced service providers. Just high priced clients.
 

Meister

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Vancouver Femme Fatale said:
But after a certain point, a review of the 18th time some dude "plowed her wet pussy til she had the big"O" gets a little old for providers, especially once they figure out that a lot of the multi-hour clients really don't want to read about the last 18 plowboys. They have the kind of income that means taking on the unknown is an adventure; they don't want a damn map or consumer report when they go off swashbuckling.
Obviously, the highly sought after multi-hour high-income client can not be found on these boards. Heck, these board guys can be outright destructive and not helpful.


yet, you advertise on this board and you post on here regularly.:confused:
 

Meister

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Strongbeau said:
There are indeed quite a few of those kinds of clients on this board.
I was being sarcastic since VFF seems to slag the board guys and claims she can do without the boards, yet she spends money on them.
 

nautilus

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My first hobbying experience came about only because I stumbled onto TERB one day. I have to assume that quite a few people have had similar experiences. How else does one get started?
At first I did not use the board to my best advantage. I had to learn to do my research. My first SP experience was with Alexis Taylor, whom I met in the chat room. I was too intimidated to just pick up the phone and call an SP unknown to me. For me, this board provides a comfort zone, and offers access to many different priced experiences that I may have otherwise never found.
 

Alexis696969

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Well the board needs articulate woman such as femme

If someones intention is the right place .........reviews can be helpful

Intelligent gentlman see through the repetative cunning grumblings of bad reviews

The bad reviews well derserved are bait and switch ,false advertising

As far as the ymmv is concerned for high priced sps goes ........theres a garantee you will get serviced but theres no garantee your expectations will be met .
 

Svend

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I agree with VFF's points, the vast majority of guys know nothing about review boards. I never heard of them at this point last year, however I also didn't know where to look for local escort websites. In this regard, the board is very helpful to women to get recognition in the vast internet.
I still won't see anyone with a NRP because checking out their site isn't enough if they might have deceptive photos or poor conduct.
I'm glad I also don't need to check out high priced women, but in pre internet days they were sometimes the only alternative to street walkers.
 

havingfun

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I also enjoy multi-hour dates - but have only had a few of them. I only partake when I book an SP for an hour and the sex is absolutely dynamite and decide to extend or when an SP decides to stay on her own time for longer, without expectation of renumeration. The time is more enjoyable when you know she is there because she enjoys being there. But there are very few SPs who can see past the dollars and offer more - which is fair enough - but those that can offer an experience that comes across as more "real" than performance. Although, I have no problem paying for mult-hours of dynamite sex.
 
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