Hey Guys, Interested in your opinions about Strip Clubs :)

[SexyKiki]

Hey guys
As you may all have noticed, Strip Clubs have gone pretty downhill over the years. They are nothing like they used to be..Where you could go in.. talk to a nice, seductive gal.. get a few dances.. fantasize about what it would be like to have her in bed..then either go home or make a pit stop with an MP or SP. If she was good at what she did, she made you feel like the most important man in the room and took time to make you feel good. The cost was definately more realistic as well, for drinks as well as dances..and it was actually worth it to stop talking to your buddies and glance at the stage.
Whatever happened to those days?? (Besides a few gems left in the industry )
I was curious to know what you guys (and gals), if given the opportunity to voice your opinion, would like to see in a Strip Club? What would you like to change? Is there any special promotions/nights you would like to see? Just curious to know what they are missing now, from a guys point of view

 

[Nitro.RT]

Very few dancers now actually know how to really dance. I can remember seeing some excellent dancers years ago and what they all have in common was: the ability to dance seductively, the intelligence to make direct eye contact with the clients and the boldness to really tease the audience.

Most dancers today just walk back and forth across the stage, stare off into space or the ceiling and avoid interacting with the audience. I think they would get a lot more "private" dances if they knew how to really perform on stage.

Kiki, when you and Jordan interact on the stage is the only time I've seen everyone in the place stop talking to each other and pay attention to the "show".

 

[buttercup]

"Under bright lights, a beautiful woman, like fine jewellery, sparkles with radiance."

Shakespeare knew a thing or two! But the SC manager knows better. He says to himself: Here's how I maximize my income. I'll keep the place in semi-darkness (or not just semi!) so the customers can hardly tell whether there is a dancer on stage, let alone whether she's still got her clothes on. I feel sure customers will keep coming back to my strip club, spending their money, if they can't actually see anything.

What else? oh, yes, I know, we'll have the music loud enough to make their ears bleed. The customers will love not being able to speak to each other, and the ladies will have a great time trying to shout guys into buying private dances. Yes, that'll pack 'em in!

And, hey! I'll make the customers feel like they've been had. And I'll make the ladies feel like they're still at school.

So, Sexy.K., IMO what the SC managers need to do is follow these new principles of operation:
Customers? Treat them like winners, not losers.
The ladies? Treat the ladies like the show-business celebrities you hope they are. Treat them with respect, and with -- dare I say? -- dignity.

And give them BRIGHT LIGHTS!

Give their radiance a chance to sparkle.

 

[george12111211]

what ever happened to features.

used to have (at the old network), snake shows, fire shows, and used to get features that hit the crowd every week.

Plus now, SP's have taken over. It is less expensive to get full GFE from an SP than it is to get a few dances.

At the end of the day, buttercup pinpointed most of the important aspects.

 

[porthos]

I would agree with most of the above posts. Cost is way to high relative to what you get. Even if the mileage is high it makes far more sense to go to a MP or SP. Montreal is still the best bet for strip clubs IMHO.

I also agree completely with the comments about dancing. How many times do you see girls do any real pole work, or dance, rather than just walk back and forth.

I used to spend a lot of time in strip clubs. And it was the fantasy. Here you were in a nice club, surrounded by beautiful women. The fantasy was you could have any of them, and that they wanted to be with you. The girls who were good at this, who would approach you and ask if you were having a good time, and talk to you a bit before asking if you wanted a dance, were absolutely brilliant at creating the fantasy ... both on the floor, on the stage, and in the VIP room!

Porthos

 

[ed_v]

You know how when you go to a cheesy tourist attraction there is always a gift shop that you're forced to walk through either when entering or exiting the main event? That's what I feel the stage area of a SC has become. It feels like a corral where money sits waiting to be spent on table or lap dances or too many overpriced beer, not to mention on drinks for the dancers when they aggressively ask to be bought drinks. Many of the dancers show visible distain for having to dance free on stage rather than for money in the VIP lounge. I can't bring myself to go anymore because of the cost (high) versus the enjoyment factor (low). It's just not entertaining anymore IMHO. Mind you, this has been my experience in the Toronto clubs, not Hamilton, Cambridge, Guelph or KW, so I can't comment on those.

 

[SexyKiki]

Thank you all for your insight and ideas so far. I was just curious to see from a guys point of view what was missing in the Clubs now-a-days. Jordan and I are thinking of approaching the Owner of the DollHouse with a few fresh ideas to please the customers and bring them back. While we can't control the quality of the girls he keeps there, we are hoping to be able to offer a bit of "old fashioned" entertainment. Will keep ya'll posted on what he thinks. Any one else with any ideas would be appreciated, would like to approach him with a list of ideas and let him pick and choose.

 

[Kitwat]

I pretty much agree with the above posts. I also think that the SC industry is suffering froom what ails pro sports. There are now so many teams (clubs) that there isn't enough talent to go around. The top dancers today are as good looking as in days gone by but I don't think the average girl is as hot looking as ten years ago. And they don't dress as well, wear makeup as well, or have their hair looking as good. There is also a much better MP scene now then a decade ago. The MPA's are much better looking than they used to be (at least iin the Toronto area). Many of the top MPAs are ex-dancers who look better and are dressed and made up bettter than the average dancer. A half hour in a locked room with a top MP is about the same cost as a half hour in a little cubicle once you factor in the $20 or morre for admission plus cover charge.
The admission fees to these VIP rooms of $20 and up - mostly up, is a killer. The CB in Topronto does not have a charge of that nature so I often will take a girl in for 2 or 3 songs and then get another girl or two before the nights over. And the CB is probably the busiest bar in this part of Ont. at the present time. At the admission fee clubs I rarely will have more than one girl a night dance for me and then I Usually will have a girl I know rather than trake a chance on a stranger. A trip to the VIP is going to cost me upwards of $100 so I get pretty choosy.
I particularly agree with the comment about features. I used to make a special trip to Toronto just to see a porn star or centerfold I liked. That doesn't happen anymore, The entertainment value relative to the cost just isn't there anymore.

 

[Jumbo99]

In the "good old days" the strip joints had lots more business since there was much less competition. Then the rate and milage hikes ,and soon the MP and SP were poping up all over. Some guys like to visit and be titilated , but many just want a good bj or lay and get on with other things. The strip joints used to offer the closest chance for sex but now it is widely available and the consumers vote with there feet and wallets. Better features and new gimmicks will not do any good. A percentage of the former clientel now use the MP and SP services and are unlikely to throw money away in a strip joint

 

[boomboom]

good points by many
I miss the old days where there was interaction, eye contact, flirting, true entertainment. Not a stare off into space might look at you or pay attention to only my friends who I sat with for 1hr. oh yeah also 2-4 songs between dancers when you have 10-20 walking around do you want a dance?
there is my Rick mercer rant for the day
Boomboom

 

[jtee]

I also agree with the above posts. Quality is down, price is up, and the whole mood has changed. There is no more seduction, it feels much more like a business transaction. I also get tired of very aggressive requests for VIP room dances.

 

[J.Shaft]

Here's my two cents.
I've been going for about 12 yrs now. When I started the clubs were more of a "party" atmosphere. Drinks were still expensive (relatively) but you don't mind spending 20 bucks more on drinks over the night if you are having a good time.
To me the the problem started when clubs stopped paying DANCERS and started bringing in foreign girls who mostly just became sex trade workers. What i call the "glory days" wasn't because the girls where hotter or drinks were cheaper.... no, it was when dancers DANCED. There was a good show! On top of that you also now have the virtual disappearance of the table dance. I remember nights where myself and 5 guys would sit, chat and have drinks with the girls in between table dances.
I definately spent more at clubs back then. Right now I go to the SC just to watch... I'll be damned if i'll drop 100+ just for a little bump and grind.

IMHO, clubs AND the girls need to stop being so greedy and learn that more people will come if you don't treat them like ATM's.

 

[Bud Plug]

Hey guys
As you may all have noticed, Strip Clubs have gone pretty downhill over the years. They are nothing like they used to be..Where you could go in.. talk to a nice, seductive gal.. get a few dances.. fantasize about what it would be like to have her in bed..then either go home or make a pit stop with an MP or SP. If she was good at what she did, she made you feel like the most important man in the room and took time to make you feel good. The cost was definately more realistic as well, for drinks as well as dances..and it was actually worth it to stop talking to your buddies and glance at the stage.
Whatever happened to those days?? (Besides a few gems left in the industry )
I was curious to know what you guys (and gals), if given the opportunity to voice your opinion, would like to see in a Strip Club? What would you like to change? Is there any special promotions/nights you would like to see? Just curious to know what they are missing now, from a guys point of view

Speaking for myself, I like variety. That is, I'd like there to be a number of different styles of SCs offering different services. These would include:

1. No-touch "private dancing" - should cost $5 a song
2. Limited touching (client touches dancer only, no pussy action) - should cost $10 a song. These dancers should be extraordinarily attractive, however, not just the girl next door.
3. High mileage Trinity Club style dancing - should be $20 a song
4. Extra services dancing - should not be more than SP pricing.

So what's in short supply? There's hardly any category 1 (Filmores has flirted a couple of times with a return to this). There's lots of category 2 dancing, except it costs $20 and there's not enough exceptional girls available. To be honest, there's already enough of categories 3 and 4 on the market.

What's there too much of? Too much poor value $20 dancing. Too much wildly overpriced extra services dancing (double the cost of an SP and up!)

If you're really interested in creating a successful strip club (or being a successful stripper), you'd fill a niche that is undersupplied, and/or make sure that if you were in the category 3 or 4 market that you were delivering value and were not pricing yourself out of the market.

Of course, you could have just been looking for a bunch of TERB sheep to support your preference for low mileage service at high prices........

 

[SexyKiki]

Of course, you could have just been looking for a bunch TERB sheep to support your preference for low mileage service at high prices........

First of all, I'd like to thank everyone again for their opinions. I really appreciate them.
While I am just a girl working in the industry and don't own a bar of my own, I truly value what my customers think.
I feel that I am a "different" sort of dancer now-a-days, where you can come in, get a dance, walk out with a smile on your face and not feel guilty about getting a "down home" dance or worry about catching anything. I only charge the prices the bar sets and sometimes make deals. I feel that since I work in a strip club, that's what I should be..a stripper. Not some girl off the street overcharging for services and taking the business away from the SP's and MP's. I feel I give pretty good dances and have not had any complaints so far (up-front anyways..LOL)

BudPlug; I only made this thread because I hear guys complaining all the time about how crappy the SC industry has become. I definately don't think the prices are fair and I don't support people ripping people off.

 

[calloway]

Sorry for the delay in posting... I've been away at my annual Sexual Addiction Retreat. It obviously didn't work again...

I roughly calculated that in 2006, I spent somewhere between $7,000-8,000 at SC's. So hopefully my financial contributions have taught me something... but I doubt it. In my Southern Ontario experiences... there are generally eight standard types of dancers:

1. Good Looking Nice Girls Who Do "Extras"
2. Good Looking Nice Girls Who Don't Do "Extras"
3. Good Looking Miserable Girls Who Do "Bad Things"
4. Good Looking Miserable Girls Who Don't Do "Extras"
5. Unattractive Nice Girls Who Do "Extras"
6. Unattractive Nice Girls Who Don't Do "Extras"
7. Unattractive Miserable Girls Who Do "Extras"
8. Unattractive Miserable Girls Who Don't Do "Extras"

I personally don't agree with the previous comment that foreign ladies have brought the sex trade to SC's. The vast majority of EE ladies that I've seen may be drop dead gorgeous... but almost every one of them have far more restrictions than most Canadian dancers I've been with.

At the end of the day... being a dancer in Southern Ontario must be a tough business. Increased competition is causing some dancers no other option but to add services in order to get customers and make some money. Sorry... there is one other option... get out of the business.

I have been to some places where the dancer has already offered her full menu and prices even before I've placed my drink order. It's a destructive and endless cycle. A bust? No big deal... it's all back to normal the next day.

Men have grown accustomed to being offered everything... so the days of just a dance now seems to be a "lesser value" than before. Don't get me wrong... I've turned down lots of extras and just had the dances... but I still leave the club feeling like I missed out on something.

This shouldn't be rocket science... men are pigs. When we get something good... we want more.

As far as the Dollhouse and all the changes they have been through? I used to hang out there 2-3 times a week. Now it's maybe once a month. The selection and quality of ladies has dropped significantly recently... not including you of course SexyKiki. Bar and food services are good and the prices are fair. But I just got tired of the same women asking me over and over for a dance. I always try to be polite... but if they're not the body I'm looking for... I just say no thank you. In some cases after being turned down... some of them have turned around and mouthed off something stupid. At that point... it wouldn't matter if they offered FS for free... I wouldn't spend a penny on them. Many of the recent dancers to the Dollhouse just seem to have a crappy attitude. It's become all about the money... taking guys to the cleaners... taking every dollar out of their wallets... and on to their next victims.

From a Dollhouse owner perspective... 30-40 guys and maybe 1-2 attractive dancers? Not great odds... and I won't wait around for the line up of guys looking for those 1-2 dancers to come out of the VIP.

SexyKiki... what is going on in the back area? It's brutal sometimes... dancers seem to spend more time back there drinking and smoking with other dancers. Then they complain they're not making any money? When did work become a social gather for dancers to bond? If I was Billy or George... I would insist they get their asses out there and start working the customers. Besides improving their own chances... the owners would easily see a significant increase in beverage revenue just from guys buying dancers more drinks. SexyKiki... you are one of the best at sitting with guys and just chatting.

It's become a game and if you're not careful you could get screwed... and I don't necessarily mean that in the literal sense. I've watched for years... I enjoy playing the game and I've learned my lessons and know when to cut my losses and go home. Most importantly... unless I'm "hammered"... I've learned the most important word in the dictionary... "NO".

Can you just imagine what I would have spent in 2006 if I couldn't say no?

 

[Kitwat]

I totally agree with Calloway about the EE dancers. They normally give a good dance with lots of grinding and touching, but I have rarely been offered "extras." I believe they are good for the overall business due to the fact they tend to be gorgeous. Take them away and the average quality would drop significantly and so would the cusomers.
I like the idea of $5 or $10 dollar no-touch dances in the club area. Seeing several attractive girls dancing around the club makes for a more festive atmosphere. The Sundowner in Niagara is good for this and is a very, very, busy bar.

 

[bOOTyMaN]

Here's my two cents.
I've been going for about 12 yrs now. When I started the clubs were more of a "party" atmosphere. Drinks were still expensive (relatively) but you don't mind spending 20 bucks more on drinks over the night if you are having a good time.
To me the the problem started when clubs stopped paying DANCERS and started bringing in foreign girls who mostly just became sex trade workers. What i call the "glory days" wasn't because the girls where hotter or drinks were cheaper.... no, it was when dancers DANCED. There was a good show! On top of that you also now have the virtual disappearance of the table dance. I remember nights where myself and 5 guys would sit, chat and have drinks with the girls in between table dances.
I definately spent more at clubs back then. Right now I go to the SC just to watch... I'll be damned if i'll drop 100+ just for a little bump and grind.

IMHO, clubs AND the girls need to stop being so greedy and learn that more people will come if you don't treat them like ATM's.

I whole heartedly agree with this comment.
Also if i may add (manor in particular) when i just pop in and sit down pleaseeeee don't hound my ass..before i even get a beer i get the EE comin over sellin their wares..lemme accumulate a buzz on first and if i see one i like well i have legs (3 of em actually)

 

[Nitro.RT]

Thank you all for your insight and ideas so far. I was just curious to see from a guys point of view what was missing in the Clubs now-a-days. Jordan and I are thinking of approaching the Owner of the DollHouse with a few fresh ideas to please the customers and bring them back. While we can't control the quality of the girls he keeps there, we are hoping to be able to offer a bit of "old fashioned" entertainment. Will keep ya'll posted on what he thinks. Any one else with any ideas would be appreciated, would like to approach him with a list of ideas and let him pick and choose.

I hope you make some progress with him!! Something better than the "renovations" that were done, LMAO!!

 

[J.Shaft]

I really think that so many people are missing the point on this. I think that SC's in general serve NOT as a place to get high mileage. On the contrary, a SC should be more of a fun party atmosphere. It shouldn't seem like 30 lions watching a herd of gazelles.

As it stands right now, most clubs have lost that "Fun" feeling. I know that when i go to a club i'm going to be greated by unfriendly dancers, a handful of quiet sad looking men, and about 3-4 girls that might actually be worth me spending my money on.... and not because of looks or mileage, but rather attitude.

I see the clubs have now split into 2 groups... with one accounting for 95% of the clubs. The main type of club is the quiet, small crowd, girls just walking asking if you want a dance then leaving, with virtually no atmosphere.
The second type is ones like the Downer and most Montreal clubs. These places are often packed... people are having a good time, dancers are smiling (ya probably cuz they're making lots of money) but it's a SHOW!

I think it comes down to numbers.... if you run a type 1 club, you'll never be anything more. You will never draw crowds that amount to much and you'll be stuck milking the same small clientelle until they leave and eventually there is no one to replace their cash flow.
On the other hand, type 2 clubs are ALWAYS seeing new faces and have a limitless earning potential. Some clubs are trying to get this type of stuff going with events like lube wrestling, amateur contests, ect.... but time will only tell.

 

[skypilot]

There used to be far fewer rip off attempts by dancers.

I go to strip joints to see naked, hot women. I don't want oral or full service in the back room.

I like the dancer to pretend she likes me, and is not in it just for the money.