"He's incurious ... there's a puzzling lack of curiosity."

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Questioned as to whether he thought US President George W. Bush, who defeated him in the 2000 presidential elections, was stupid, Gore replied: "I don't think he's unintelligent at all. He's incurious ... there's a puzzling lack of curiosity."

I always felt that Bush wasn't as stupid or bad as he is made out to be but I could never explain why he seems so clueless. But this quote from Gore seemed to sum it up perfectly for me. That is a bad quality for a leader of a superpower to have and why he is so damn stubborn even when faced with a scenario where he refuses to see his failures. Sadly he seems to represent many Americans who live in their own world without caring to understand outside their world, thus fueling the stereotype (yes before Americans flame me, I acknowledge it is a stereotype) that most Americans are ignorant of others.

I think Bush can be a decent regional representive (ex. Governor of Texas) where he can just be concerned with the local interests where he has a clue, but as a world leader I think it is safe to say that he is not so successful to put it kindly.
 

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Don said:
Sadly he seems to represent many Americans who live in their own world without caring to understand outside their world, thus fueling the stereotype (yes before Americans flame me, I acknowledge it is a stereotype) that most Americans are ignorant of others.

I think Bush can be a decent regional representive (ex. Governor of Texas) where he can just be concerned with the local interests where he has a clue, but as a world leader I think it is safe to say that he is not so successful to put it kindly.
Don, why do you insist on giving them the benefit of the doubt????.....It's not stupidity!!!!! NOTHING ever happens in politics by chance or luck. IT IS POLICY!!! Get over this thinking of they can't be that bad or that stupid!
They are not!!!! Our basic humanity keeps finding these excuses because if we were to face the reality, OUR worlds would have to change by OUR responsibilities. I used to think that the citizens of the former Soviet Union were the bravest people. THEY would get up in the morning and DECIDE to lie to themseves all day. Here we see a population waking up in the morning and don't even realise that they are lying to themselves all day, and are desparate to justify whats happening around themseves by making excuses for their leaders.
IT'S POLICY!!!!!!

BTW:

HURRICANE EXPERT THREATENED FOR PRE-KATRINA WARNINGS

A Greg Palast special investigation for Democracy Now!



Monday, August 28. From New Orleans.

DON'T blame the Lady. Katrina killed no one in this town. In fact, Katrina missed the city completely, going wide to the east.

It wasn't the hurricane that drowned, suffocated, de-hydrated and starved 1,500 people that week. The killing was done by a deadly duo: a failed emergency evacuation plan combined with faulty levees. Behind these twin failures lies a tale of cronyism, profiteering and willful incompetence that takes us right to the steps of the White House.

Here's the story you haven't been told. And the man who revealed it to me, Dr. Ivor van Heerden, is putting his job on the line to tell it.

Van Heerden isn't the typical whistleblower I usually deal with. This is no minor player. He's the Deputy Director of the Louisiana State University Hurricane Center. He's the top banana in the field -- no one knew more about how to save New Orleans from a hurricane's devastation. And no one was a bigger target of an official and corporate campaign to bury the information.

Here's what happened. Right after Katrina swamped the city, I called Washington to get a copy of the evacuation plan.

Funny thing about the murderously failed plan for the evacuation of New Orleans: no one can find it. That's right. It's missing. Maybe it got wet and sank in the flood. Whatever: no one can find it.

That's real bad. Here's the key thing about a successful emergency evacuation plan: you have to have copies of it. Lots of copies -- in fire houses and in hospitals and in the hands of every first responder. Secret evacuation plans don't work.

I know, I worked on the hurricane evacuation plan for Long Island New York, an elaborate multi-volume dossier.

Specifically, I'm talking about the plan that was written, or supposed to have been written two years ago by a company called, "Innovative Emergency Management."

Weird thing about IEM, their founder Madhu Beriwal, had no known experience in hurricane evacuations. She did, however, have a lot of experience in donating to Republicans.

IEM and FEMA did begin a draft of a plan. The plan was that, when a hurricane hit, everyone in the Crescent City would simply get the hell out in their cars. Apparently, the IEM/FEMA crew didn't know that 127,000 people in the city didn't have cars. But Dr. van Heerden knew that. It was his calculation. LSU knew where these no-car people were -- they mapped it -- and how to get them out.

Dr. van Heerden offered this life-saving info to FEMA. They wouldn't touch it. Then, a state official told him to shut up, back off or there would be consequences for van Heerden's position. This official now works for IEM.

So I asked him what happened as a result of making no plans for those without wheels, a lot of them elderly and most of them poor.

"Fifteen-hundred of them drowned. That's the bottom line." The professor, who'd been talking to me in technicalities, changed to a somber tone. "They're still finding corpses."

Van Heerden is supposed to keep his mouth shut. He won't. The deaths weigh on him. "I wasn't going to listen to those sort of threats, to let them shut me down."

Van Heerden had other disturbing news. The Hurricane Center's computer models showed the federal government had built the levees around the city a foot-and-a-half too short.

After Katrina, the Hurricane Center analyzed the flooding and found that, had the levees had just that extra 18 inches, they would have been "overtopped" for only an hour and a half, not four hours. In that case, the levees would have held, and the city would have been saved.

He had taken the warning about the levees all the way to George Bush's doorstep. "I myself briefed senior officials including somebody from the White House." The response: the university's trustees threatened his job.

While in Baton Rouge, I dropped in on the headquarters of IEM, the evacuation contractors. The assistant to the CEO insisted they had "a lot of experience with evacuation" -- but couldn't name a single city they'd planned for when they got the Big Easy contract. And still, they couldn't produce the plan.

An IEM press release in June 2004 boasted legendary expert James Lee Witt as a member of their team. That was impressive. It was also a lie. In fact, Witt had nothing to do with it. When I asked IEM point blank if Witt's name was used as a fraudulent hook to get the contract, their spokeswoman said, weirdly, "We'll get back to you on that."

Back at LSU, van Heerden astonished me with the most serious charge of all. While showing me huge maps of the flooding, he told me the White House had withheld the information that, in fact, the levees were about to burst and by Tuesday at dawn the city, and more than a thousand people, would drown.

Van Heerden said, "FEMA knew on Monday at 11 o'clock that the levees had breached… They took video. By midnight on Monday the White House knew. But none of us knew ...I was at the State Emergency Operations Center." Because the hurricane had missed the city that Monday night, evacuation effectively stopped, assuming the city had survived.

It's been a full year now, and 73,000 New Orleanians remain in FEMA trailers and another 200,000, more than half the city's former residents, remain in temporary refuges. "The City That Care Forgot" -- that's their official slogan -- lost a higher percentage of homes than Berlin lost in World War II. It would be more accurate to call it, "The City That Bush Forgot."

Should they come home? Rebuild? Is it safe? Team Bush assures them there's nothing to worry about: FEMA won't respond to van Heerden's revelations. However, the Bush Administration has hired a consulting firm to fix the failed evacuation plan. The contractor? A Baton Rouge company named "Innovative Emergency Management." IEM.
 
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Don said:
I think Bush can be a decent regional representive (ex. Governor of Texas) where he can just be concerned with the local interests where he has a clue, but as a world leader I think it is safe to say that he is not so successful to put it kindly.

Cowboy Diplomacy works better in Texas than it does in the Persian Gulf
 

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In the laboratory.
David Frum still seems to have offered the best capsule comment on Bush's character. He "has many faults. He is impatient and quick to anger; sometimes glib, even dogmatic; often uncurious and as a result ill informed; more conventional in his thinking than a leader probably should be."
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/whispers/archive/january2003.htm

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US needs somebody like Jack Welch as President at least for 1 term. He could really shake things up. Unfortunately that wont happen. Neither Canada nor the US has had a real intelligent visionary as a leader for the last 30 or so years. And please dont say Trudeau because he was just a plain vanilla socialist (brodering on communist) to the core.
 

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In Shrub's defense, puppets are not supposed to be curious.
Puppets just put on the show they were created/installed for!.........;)

Here Dubya is spot on as puppet
and at times more entertaining than Danny (potatoe-head) Quayle.
 

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alphauniform said:
Don, why do you insist on giving them the benefit of the doubt????.....It's not stupidity!!!!! NOTHING ever happens in politics by chance or luck. IT IS POLICY!!! Get over this thinking of they can't be that bad or that stupid!
ahem. I think that is what I said. It is not stupidity.
 

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danmand said:
Are you arguing that GWB is curious?
Are you saying he's not stupid?

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DonQuixote said:
Businessmen don't make good POTUS's
Recall, GWB has his MBA from Harvard.

Politicians are supposed to practice the
art of compromise. Everyone gets a
share of the political power pie and
they all toast after with aged spirits.

One need only look at Chicago and how
the former Mayor Daly ensured noone
was left out. And, Chicago grows and
grows.

CEOs are used to having it all their way.
They don't compromise, they issue directives.

It may work in business and the military,
but not in politics.

Yes, best if they're lawyers, the slutty moral-relativism behavior comes naturally.

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Come on, Jack Welch played with the numbers for years to give GE the appearance of constant growth. I would prefer someone like Elliot Spitzer.


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Just watched the evening news on NBC. George in the streets of lower New Orleans listing all the books he has recently read. Three biographies of Washington, biographies of TR, works by Shakespeare although he didn't specify, and finally Camus. I suppose it's possible, but he had nothing to reveal in what he had learned in all this supposed page turning. Perhaps it's a retention issue.
 

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Asterix said:
Just watched the evening news on NBC. George in the streets of lower New Orleans listing all the books he has recently read. Three biographies of Washington, biographies of TR, works by Shakespeare although he didn't specify, and finally Camus. I suppose it's possible, but he had nothing to reveal in what he had learned in all this supposed page turning. Perhaps it's a retention issue.
Camus?? The spin doctor went too far there.
 

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Camus?? The spin doctor went too far there.
Yeah, Camus. Kinda surprised me too, but it came straight from the horse's mouth right as he stood there in the ninth ward. Odd choice considering how much some in the US like to dump on France. I think DQ is right. Laura likely shoves these books under George's nose, and he pretends to get something out of it.
 

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Did a little more checking, and it appears the White House is now claiming George has read over 60 books this year. That's right 60, and these are not insignificant texts, but pretty weighty stuff. This from a man who when once asked what he read, referred to the 10 or so memorandums his staff prepared for him each day. He also said he doesn't read newspapers, but glances at the headlines "to get a flavor for what's going on." Now they should have us believe he has turned into a reading machine, a virtual man of letters. They should have stuck with the "aw shucks" act. Way more believable.
 
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Asterix said:
Did a little more checking, and it appears the White House is now claiming George has read over 60 books this year. That's right 60, and these are not insignificant texts, but pretty weighty stuff. This from a man who when once asked what he read, referred to the 10 or so memorandums his staff prepared for him each day. He also said he doesn't read newspapers, but glances at the headlines "to get a flavor for what's going on." Now they should have us believe he has turned into a reading machine, a virtual man of letters. They should have stuck with the "aw shucks" act. Way more believable.
Once Dubya realized being "well read" was a good quality.....he ran with it.

Before, he thought the term referred to being "well red" and balked at the prospect :D
 

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Yeah, well, he seems to want to reinvent himself as a bookworm. All of those questioning his intelligence must have finally struck a nerve. But why his handlers went so overboard with this I have no idea. Can anyone really picture George plowing through one or two hundred pages a day of anything, let alone Shakespeare and Camus? Speaking of which, I wonder how the faithful would feel about George pondering an existential, atheistic novel like "The Stranger", and by a Frenchman no less. Stretches the bounds of credulity somewhat.
 

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DonQuixote said:
First off, the book is only 144 pages. Do-able.

Second, he can pronounce both the author and title.

Third, imagine him trying to say: 'The Myth of Sisyphus'.

Fourth, it wouldn't be good politics to say he's reading:
'Happy Death' or 'The Outsider'.

Fifth, why in the world would he pick a French existential author
who rebelled against all authority. Definitely a liberal.
Do-able perhaps, but Camus is not a fast read for anyone. Some of the other books they list that he has supposedly read are upwards of 800 pages. George has been such an anti-intellectual for so long, this boomerang comes as a bit of a surprise. Must be about the legacy thing, and George making an odd attempt to appear a thinking man's President.
 
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